How bad is the gun problem in America? Well..

[RainWalker]

Last edited Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:46 PM - Edit history (1)

Who wore it better?
Hamas "headquarters" or a random American family?

Quite the illustrative picture isn't it?
Food for thought 🤔

[calimary]

1. The second photo is worse than the first.

The folks in the first photo are actually fighting a war. The folks in the second photo WISH they were.

[RainWalker]

4. That's a very good assessment

[AZSkiffyGeek]

6. I missed where the random American family massacred over 1000 people

But if it makes you feel better, I guess you can pretend they’re worse.

[RainWalker]

8. Sorry if you're upset by this

My goal is to make you think not upset you. Sorry if this bothered you.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

64. Math fail

It wasn't a 'random family' with Hamas. It was a bunch of them working together. So your analogy fails on that score. Terrorists working together can get a great deal done. Imagine how much worse OKC would have been if there had been more than McVeigh and Nichols looking for targets to take down.

But if you want to get technical, 'random' right-wing families have murdered thousands of people throughout US history. 50 here, 25 there--it adds up.

The number doesn't matter. The killing does.

[ripcord]

11. They aren't fighting a war

They are engaged in terrorist assaults.

[EllieBC]

12. Those "folks" in the first photo are a terrorist organization.

I feel like you know that though. Maybe you don’t agree. I prefer when people are honest.

[Fla_Democrat]

67. It is, actually

I can't believe they put a Kel-Tec and a Charter Arms in the same picture with the FN's and the Steyr. Have they no shame?

[Think. Again.]

2. Wait...

...is that ALL they found in the "headquarters"???

[RainWalker]

3. This far it appears so

[Think. Again.]

5. That can't be right....

...all I've been hearing says that was an important hamas location.

If hamas is so ill-equipped, what the hell is Israel so afraid of? Wipe them out in an afternoon and be done with it!

[maxsolomon]

77. Rifles are portable.

How many should there be in an abandoned post?

[Think. Again.]

86. That location is supposed to be...

...a main hamas location, I would think there would be a warehouse of rocket launchers, missiles, crates of grenades, etc.

IDF is a multi-billion dollar operation. If they're up against a yard sale table of mix and match guns, this thing should have been over by nightfall on 10/7.

[Arazi]

15. No. The OP is being dishonest

[Think. Again.]

26. Please explain?

...that's a heck of an accusation to make without anything to back it up.

Do you have photos or anything that shows anything different from the OP?

[BlueCheeseAgain]

33. The IDF says they've found a bunch of other weapons

Link to tweet

As well as tunnel shafts and other weapons in a different hospital

Link to tweet

I guess whether that's a lot of weapons varies by individual.

[LexVegas]

36. Some get really mad when Hamas gets bad press. nt

[RainWalker]

40. As I've explained it has nothing to do with that

And I'd appreciate it if you'd stop saying this after I've fully explained. It's not nice. Thank you.

[LexVegas]

42. Sorry if you're "upset" by this. My goal is to make you think not upset you.

[RainWalker]

47. Muted.

[SlimJimmy]

68. I think you need to understand that there a lot of us

progressive gun owners who actually support the 2nd amendment. I don't own the amount of weapons in the second picture, but I'm not a terrorist like the weapon owners in the first picture. Which includes automatic weapons, explosives, RPGs and a suicide vest. I don't see any of those things in the 2nd picture ... do you?

[Think. Again.]

44. I don't know...

...if that is what the multi-billion dollar/year IDF considers a lot of weapons, I'm completely lost.

And the tunnel in the second tweet? Really?

I hate hamas and want them ended forever now, but seriously, I thought they were a big operation?

[LexVegas]

45. Nah, theres like 3 of them. nt

[Think. Again.]

48. 3 of what? mini, broken down tunnels?

[LexVegas]

49. 3 guys. Hamas is 3 guys. Thats a lot of guns for 3 guys. nt

[Think. Again.]

54. I would say so...

...but seriously, where the heck are all the weapons and this crazy mega-tunnel system we keep hearing about?

Because they're certainly not in any of those pictures.

[TexasDem69]

60. So you need some pictures to convince you

That Hamas is a heavily armed terrorist organization? I’m pretty sure you can do an Internet search and find videos and photos of all the hundreds and hundreds of civilians murdered on October 7 by Hamas using pistol, rifle and grenade.

[Think. Again.]

69. No need to see what happened on Oct. 7 again....

...we're discussing the weapons that has IDF found since then and so far no evidence exists that hamas is still heavily armed, in contradiction to their statements that they are.

[Wingus Dingus]

7. As stupid as the redneck collector family is, they aren't Hamas.

No evidence that they attack, slaughter, rape, burn and otherwise terrorize anyone else. So big fat fucking fail on this post.

[RainWalker]

9. Oh they definitely terrorize others

All you have to do is look at the background of mass shooters to see how they were raised. Most come from very conservative families like Kyle Rittenhouse and Dylan Roof.

[Wingus Dingus]

10. Swing and a miss.

Stupid people and crazy people and weirdos--who otherwise follow the law--aren't a terror group.

[RainWalker]

17. Domestic terrorism is certainly a thing

[Wingus Dingus]

22. You're reaching soooo hard to compare one especially weird American family

to an internationally sponsored terror group that causes actual and continual suffering, death and destruction on a wide scale. It's not working, but you're like a dog with a bone.

[RainWalker]

27. I'm not reaching at all

And I'm not looking to argue with you.
The reason I posted this was to illustrated that our gun problem in America is so bad that we're more heavily armed than terrorists.

Think about that for a moment. It's astounding.

[Wingus Dingus]

38. We've always been heavily armed. But most Americans don't have near that many weapons.

These are extreme weirdos, not the "average" or "random" American family. But I'll bet you knew that.

[RainWalker]

43. I have a statistic for you

You may find this interesting.
Ready? Keep in mind this statistic is 8 years old too. So I'm very certain this number has increased.

[link:https://www.thetrace.org/2015/10/gun-ownership-america-hemenway-survey-harvard/|]

[Wingus Dingus]

50. Yep, lots of guns. Still not Hamas.

[RainWalker]

51. I'm not saying it's Hamas

[AZSkiffyGeek]

65. No, you're implying it's worse than Hamas

[Fla_Democrat]

66. Wow, 10 or more they say....

Huh. That is interesting.

[intelpug]

82. ten or more

That's a false comparison. Americans own a lot of things that would outnumber the population of Denmark. Reminds me of a story about thirty years ago about Canadian clear cuts. ''These things are so huge,, They can be seen from space! Well guess what, a license plate can also be seen from space with the right satellite equipment

[TexasDem69]

61. And where in this thread did someone claim it isn't

Christ, talk about moving the goalposts.

[LexVegas]

13. Not enough guns in the hospital for ya, huh? Hamas exposed got some people salty as fuck.

[RainWalker]

18. Think about the 2 pictures

Don't you think it's a pretty stunning contrast and quite literally the perfect example of how we have a gun problem in this country?

I do.

And that's what this is about.

[TexasDem69]

62. Do you have any evidence

That anyone in the second photo used any of those guns to kill someone? Cause I’m pretty sure Hamas is using its guns to kill people.

[sarisataka]

14. So that's a random American family?

I'm way behind the power curve.

And if I take the message correctly they are more dangerous than a terrorist organization?

[LexVegas]

16. Some are mad that Hamas left some guns in the hospital and ruined the narrative. nt

[RainWalker]

21. It doesn't have anything to do with that

[LexVegas]

24. Who do you think you've fooled here? Just food for thought....nt

[RainWalker]

28. It's not about "fooling" anyone

And I should've been more precise with my title, that's on me, sorry.

Hope you're having a nice evening.

[LexVegas]

30. I understand your "concern" about the situation. Carry on. nt

[RainWalker]

32. Being kind is free my friend

[Think. Again.]

35. Fooled about what???

What is going on with this thread????

We all know Americans have a crazy amount of weapons, but if that photo is correct, hamas's weapon collection might be a lot smaller than we thought.

But where does fooling anyone come in to it?

[SQUEE]

88. You sure have made me think.

But I don't believe it's in the way you wanted me to.

[Think. Again.]

29. What was the narrative that got ruined?

...we know hamas has weapons and that they terrorize innocent civilians, even using hospitals as cover, what's surprising is how few weapons they seemed to have.

Was the narrative that got ruined that they have a lot of weapons?

[RainWalker]

19. I think it's very representative

and a great illustration of how we have a gun problem in this country.

[mcar]

20. Well actually-ing a terrorist attack

Cool. How about this?

Link to tweet

The Israeli Army has found the body of 65-year-old Yehudit Weiss in a building near the al-Shifa hospital in Gaza.

Hamas murdered her husband in front of her eyes before kidnapping her.

The kindergarten teacher was undergoing radiation therapy for cancer when she was kidnapped

[RainWalker]

23. I'm going to change the title so people understand

things better. That's my fault.

[mcar]

25. Appreciate that

I hope you realize that one photo doesn't tell the whole story.

[RainWalker]

31. You're welcome

[keithbvadu2]

34. Both have the God given right to have guns.

[RainWalker]

37. God gave people rights?

[keithbvadu2]

41. A gun culture talking point.

Should I have used the sarcasm emoji?

[Think. Again.]

46. Yes.

[RainWalker]

52. Yes lol

[Think. Again.]

39. WHAT????

I'm sorry, the responses to this thread are literally insane.

I'm out.

[RainWalker]

53. It's interesting

It's almost a social experiment in a sense

[DemocraticPatriot]

55. All I have now is a single-shot shotgun, which is

possibly 100 years old by now..... it belonged to my grandfather.....

[RainWalker]

56. That could be worth some $

on the collector market.

[DemocraticPatriot]

57. I doubt it....

but I can't even say what it is

[Fla_Democrat]

87. Harrington & Richardson, maybe?

One of the oldest manufacturers of firearms in the United States. Original Harrington and Richardson started in 1871 and was in existence until 1986.

https://gunvalues.gundigest.com/harrington-richardson-inc/


My first shotgun was a single shot 20 gauge from H&R.

[DemocraticPatriot]

89. Next time I pull it out of the closet I will search for a trademark....

but I don't recall any such printing on the thing anywhere....

but I do believe it is either a 16 or 20 guage...

[BlueCheeseAgain]

58. OP, I don't think went the way it was intended.

You say you meant "Look, Americans are such gun nuts that they have more guns than a terrorist organization!"

But people obviously interpreted your message as, "Look, this terrorist organization isn't that dangerous. They don't even have as many guns as a random American family."

I can see how it could be meant either way. I do think that given the arguments on DU over the last month, it did feel more likely that you were commenting on the Israel-Gaza war and not American gun culture. You say that's not what you meant, and now that you've cleared it up, I believe you. But I think you can probably also see why people took it the other way, especially given the original wording of the post subject.

[LexVegas]

74. Look at the other comments by the OP about the Hamas weapons. It was meant the 2nd way you mention and edited later. nt

[JanMichael]

59. Bad enough that we are planning to leave the US

We live in a very quiet urban neighborhood. Like no crime really ever. Yet two carjackings (first time in over 10 years here) have happened in the last week. Both involved guns. I am fucking sick of guns being EVERYWHERE! FUCKING SICK OF THEM.

and sick of the supporters of guns everywhere.

Sick of them.

[RainWalker]

72. Same here

This country has a problem and sadly many are addicted.

[TexasDem69]

63. I've seen some misguided posts lately

But this might be take the cake. Who in the fuck cares how many guns someone legally owns in the US? That family isn’t doing anything wrong (at least based on the picture), while Hamas is currently engaged in terrorism, child murder, and attempted genocide using their guns. My neighbor legally owning a bunch of guns doesn’t concern me or keep me up at night.

[RainWalker]

71. Irony

That's all

[Squatchman]

70. Range day

Has got to be expensive!

[Fla_Democrat]

73. Range day (if done right)

is always expensive.

[BannonsLiver]

75. Interesting post, Alexander/antivaxhunters.

[RainWalker]

80. What does that mean?

I'm not understanding what you're saying here. Can you kindly elaborate? Thank you.

[SYFROYH]

76. Legally owned gun collections don't bother me in the least.

Do they bother you?



Shooting and killing Jews and other civilians at a EDM festival and kibbutz bothers me.

Does that bother you?

[RainWalker]

81. Yes it does bother me

Because this country has a massive gun problem. Many mass shootings are committed with guns that were legally purchased. The people doing the shootings were often "good responsible gun owners" until they weren't.

[SYFROYH]

83. Your approach is problematic to your goal

The vast majority of legally owned guns are never used in crimes let alone violence. When you treat gun owners as criminals you reinforce resistance to any changes that might be helpful to reduce gun violence. This is why gun control has largely been failing for the last 20 years.

[RainWalker]

84. It's been failing for much longer than that

And guns ARE the problem.
We need to do exactly what Australia did. And the reason nothing gets done about the problem is because of 2A which needs to be abolished in my opinion and because of our elected lawmakers are scared to death of doing the right thing to save lives.

Now maybe my stance is a bit radical with 2A but this isn't the 1700s. The world looks nothing like it did when it was written. Applying outdated laws to a modern situation leads to Sandy Hook and Uvalde happening.

[SYFROYH]

85. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion.

But I would have to work against any politician or group who wants to confiscate guns.

[yagotme]

78. I'd say [picture #2 "wore it better".

Cleaner, looks like better maintained, and the actual owners stuck around for the picture. And, as other posters have stated, I bet none of those guns in Pic 2 have been used in a brutal assault.

[bif]

79. God bless America and the 2nd Amendment!

What a fucking country!

[NotVeryImportant]

90. Yeah, that's bad.

That's pretty damn bad.