I don't think Trump can win the election in 2024.

[Mr.Bill]

I also am not afraid of him overthrowing the government and installing himself in power if he loses the election.

First of all he has neither the intelligence or the means to do it. But first and foremost, think about this. Many of the people closest to him, people who know what makes him tick and what he is capable of are turning against him. The people who turn against him don't seem to fear his retribution.

[blm]

1. I agree.

[TexasDem69]

2. He's going to get something like 45% of the vote

And the election is going to come down to a couple of hundred thousand votes in a handful of states. If Democrats stay home then he absolutely could win. I don’t understand folks who think he can’t. Setting aside all his bullshit, he did get the most votes ever for a losing candidate. In 2020 he received almost 10 million more votes that President Obama did in 2012.

[peacebuzzard]

10. red states and electoral college

red states are a curse
It is unfortunate that sensible chats are rare in most red state casual encounters.
Yes, I truly understand, TexasDem69, how an idiot can win again.
The fight is real; it will take another blue wave tsunami to win again.
If we had the popular vote this wouldn't even be an issue; and we can never let our guards down. I think your numbers are right on.
it is sad, depressing and true.

[edhopper]

15. Exactly this

he can lose by 10 million votes and still get the White House.

[LoisB]

3. I agree.

[TheProle]

4. Yep. It's an Orange Herring.

Democrats need to be prepared for any comer because it’s going to be a wild election season, but it won’t be Trump.

This residual danger of creeping fascism, however, will remain. The piss is in the pool.

Worth remembering that Hitler was one of many Nazi leaders jockeying for position in the early days and he was just vicious, charismatic and manipulative enough to rise to the top.

It won’t be Trump, but there are other trumps.

[Mr.Bill]

5. That I can agree with.

And they are likely more intelligent (who isn't?) and younger. We could still be fighting this battle 20 years from now.

[Bucky]

6. I think I'm alone in this right now, but I don't think he'll even get nominated

Which is actually not so good for us. That opens up a pathway for Nikki Haley to snag the nomination from the wolf's teeth. She's by far the Republican most likely to beat Biden.

[Mr.Bill]

7. That's a possibility,

but her big downside is she was part of the Trump administration. Every time Democrats talk about her they need to hang Trump around her neck.

[Bucky]

14. 100%

But we should do that for anyone who gets nominated by the Republicans. That's Politics 101.

In 2000 George W ran on a platform of "Let's put all the past few vitriolic years of petty partisan bickering behind us" platform. As absurd as that tactic proved to be, it worked.

Trust me, whoever the Republicans nominate is going to make the same appeal (except for The Donald himself). And for millions of gullible American voters, this tactic will be effective.

Voters always want someone or something new. And they're willing to ignore finds long list of accomplishments and improvements in the economy. And Republicans will always be ready to exploit that gullibility of American voters

[peacebuzzard]

11. I hope so everyday.

I can't comprehend how he is even around at all.

[LenaBaby61]

13. The big, orange blob ....

IS becoming more unhinged by the day. This past weekend, he once AGAIN referred to himself in a 2024 election battle against Pres. Obama. Then he made that same vermin reference about his enemies that Hitler his 2nd Father and Benito his role model made about their enemies. ALL of the trials, going in and out of court, and what little rebuke he gets for continually threatening Jack Smith et al, and the fact that he is cognizant enough as of NOW to see that he will no longer be able to do crooked business dealings with the russians or whatever crook he can find to make deals with. Him losing his ability to grift and outright steal money is getting to him BIG time. He's running against Pres. Obama though. And the right-winged, bought off and paid for mostly corporate greedy for tRump ad dollars, clicks and views says that Pres. Biden is wholly unpopular, too old and that people hate Kamala Harris also? Nothing wrong with tRump's CONSTANT Hitler and Mussolini speech by tRaitor tRump? I'm happy that an increasing number of my friends no longer read newspapers and have dropped their digital newspaper subscriptions, and now follow other alternative news organizations like TheMeidas Touch, Randi Rhodes, Rachel Maddow, David Packman, Lawrence O et al. exclusively

[LiberalFighter]

18. We can only hope.

I believe his supporters are peeling off. Either by death, disinterest in voting, voting for someone else, or in prison because of Jan 6.

Oh and Democrats are more motivated. Both with abortion and the orange scumbag.

I believe that Covid is a somewhat major factor that will result in his defeat.

[Bucky]

24. I don't know about covid as a factor. As I understand Republicans...

...they only like voters that don't die

[MorbidButterflyTat]

21. Another downside is

her vagina.

[Bucky]

23. Yes, but that's where it's supposed to be

Has nothing to do with her ability to run

[Arthur_Frain]

8. I wonder, when push comes to shove

Can he even win the Republican nomination this time?

I’m hoping he can’t, and this solves many of our problems.

[BlueTsunami2018]

9. I think him winning is a very real possibility.

While there’s nearly no chance that he can overthrow the government if he loses, dismissing his chances to win the election is folly. He absolutely can win. This is a pretty dumb country. They did it once, they can absolutely do it again.

[DemocratInPa]

12. I honestly think..

He has a better chance in 2024 then he did in 2020.. There is no covid, and as much as we don't want to talk about it, Biden's approval numbers aren't good.

I am just happy we have another year left, if the election was this month, I be really worried tbh.

[Traildogbob]

16. My fear

Is the billionaires and far right groups that have been orchestrating project 25 for many years and want to take over government for their own. They know trump is the perfect front man to achieve their wet dream. And they are playing the “Base” like Bela Fleck. All the shit trump is pumping up is exactly where they want the country to be and have endless cash and media to get there. They are behind the third party and no name bullshit. The peeling away of Biden supporters now is all them, and throw in the international bots on X and other platforms that are all in.
We are getting hit from every direction and in waves.
If we do not fight like hell, fiercely, fuck the passive high road shit, take it to them, in their face every day, Every hour of every day, this horror show will be on us. Even after if he loses the election. We will still be fighting to save ourselves and our country. After watching Joy and Nicole today I was left with a hole in my soul.
And to think we won massively a week ago, that encouragement was just flattened.
I think he would make Steven Miller his VP. With full support of his white ass holes.
Talk me down.

[Mr.Bill]

17. Those billionaires got that rich

by having things just the way they are now. They are the last people who want the cart upset. The stock market, big business and big money don't like chaos. They have ideas about some things they want to change in their favor, and they don't like taxes. But a revolution and the end of our government as we know it is not on their wish list.

[Traildogbob]

19. Hope you are

Correct. I think about that exact point. But buying and installing SC judges and presidents and crushing checks and balances.
Rachael’s first segment does not help. But thanks for your point. I will take anything to plug the hole in my soul right now.
I say lock this sick asshole away, let him send his rabid assholes into the streets now, and let our president fulfill his oath, to protect the citizens with whatever it takes.
We will get no saving if a repug takes over.
Dismantle his army of Nazis now, as he sends them out to kill for him.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

20. I agree completely.

And...George was my fave.

[Jedi Guy]

22. I think we underestimate him at our peril. We did that once, to our sorrow.

The GOP has spent the last four years gimmicking things at the state level in every way they can. All of those efforts have gone towards helping him "win" in 2024. Given that and how the electoral college works, he could very easily eke out a win there even if he lost the popular vote as he did before. This is particularly true with the spoiler candidacies of Cornel West and RFK Jr. Neither has a chance in hell of winning, but the two together might siphon away enough votes to hurt Biden.

This is a dangerous time for the country. We can hope Trump's ever-mounting legal woes will knock him out of contention, but he'll become more and more desperate as his legal problems escalate, and that desperation will make him dangerous. Look at the shit he's saying now and imagine what he'll be saying as the likelihood of guilty verdicts increase. He will have absolutely no compunction against whipping his cultists into a frenzy to save himself. The real question is how many of his cultists will answer the call. I think that when the chips are down, most will be all talk and no action. Those few who do answer the call can still potentially do some damage, though.

With any luck he won't end up getting the GOP nomination and Biden will win walking away because dispirited cultists will stay home and not vote for whomever the GOP ends up running, though. That's the scenario I'd like to see.