I would like to see Palestinian/Israeli peace. Is it possible?

[keithbvadu2]

What chance of peace is there when Hamas promises to continue terrorist attacks, no matter what?

Doesn't it take two for peace?

A cease fire allows Hamas to renew/rebuild.

As long as Gaza is controlled by Hamas, there is no practical distinction between Palestinians/Hamas.
Hamas has the real power. Food, fuel. supplies.

I would like to see peace for all.

Is it a hope or a delusion?

[Chainfire]

1. I don't think that it is possible now.

The brutality of the original attack and the response will insure that there will be war far into the future.

[Think. Again.]

2. I disagree with your inference..

...that there is no distinction between hamas and Palestinians.

That, quite frankly, is rascist bullshit.

From foreignaffairs.com:

"The argument that the entire population of Gaza can be held responsible for Hamas’s actions is quickly discredited when one looks at the facts. Arab Barometer, a research network where we serve as co-principal investigators, conducted a survey in Gaza and the West Bank days before the Israel-Hamas war broke out. The findings, published here for the first time, reveal that rather than supporting Hamas, the vast majority of Gazans have been frustrated with the armed group’s ineffective governance as they endure extreme economic hardship. Most Gazans do not align themselves with Hamas’s ideology, either. Unlike Hamas, whose goal is to destroy the Israeli state, the majority of survey respondents favored a two-state solution with an independent Palestine and Israel existing side by side.

(Full article: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas )

[keithbvadu2]

3. OK. Separate them.

Racist?

Your false claim.

[Think. Again.]

5. is this enough separation for you?....

From foreignaffairs.com:

"The argument that the entire population of Gaza can be held responsible for Hamas’s actions is quickly discredited when one looks at the facts. Arab Barometer, a research network where we serve as co-principal investigators, conducted a survey in Gaza and the West Bank days before the Israel-Hamas war broke out. The findings, published here for the first time, reveal that rather than supporting Hamas, the vast majority of Gazans have been frustrated with the armed group’s ineffective governance as they endure extreme economic hardship. Most Gazans do not align themselves with Hamas’s ideology, either. Unlike Hamas, whose goal is to destroy the Israeli state, the majority of survey respondents favored a two-state solution with an independent Palestine and Israel existing side by side.

(Full article: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas )

[keithbvadu2]

7. Great definitions that you use. I agree with the theory.

Hamas is forcing the ordinary Palestinians to be part of them.

Can you separate them outside of theory?

[Think. Again.]

9. It isn't just theory...

...individuals, of any background, are simply not indistinguishable from others with that same background.

Some may have similar thoughts, ideas, motivations, and intentions, other will not. Stereotyping is rascist bullshit.

As for grouping all Palestinians based on hamas being the group in control, I'll give you an anaolgy;

I am an American, when trump & company were in control of America, I was NOT maga.

[keithbvadu2]

10. No problem. Show us how you separate them so that only Hamas can be attacked.

Hamas forces the ordinary Palestinians to be part of them.

Hamas has the real power.

[Think. Again.]

11. you donct have to separate THEM...

...you have to attack them separately.

And if Israel doesn't have the intelligence info to identify individuals to target, then our monetary aid to Israel has been severely wasted.

[keithbvadu2]

12. How do you do that?

[Think. Again.]

14. if you're asking me...

...to spell out the procedures and methods of gathering and implementing military intelligence, I'm afraid I can't do that.

But I strongly suspect there are many high-ranking intelligence and military officials who can, since, after all, they do it all the time.

[keithbvadu2]

18. More theory.

[sarisataka]

13. Is there any other country on earth

That we require to have a by-name roster of the rank and file of their enemies?
Or is this just a requirement for Israel?

[Think. Again.]

15. Do you honestly believe...

...every country in the world doesn't know pretty much everything about the key military people of their serious enemy countries?

[sarisataka]

16. Do you honestly believe

That every country knows the position of their enemy's key personnel at this exact moment? That doesn't even happen in the movies, let alone real life.

[Think. Again.]

22. In the middle of everything that's going on...

...and after decades of living under the threat of hamas, if Israel doesn't have location info on important hamas figures, then something is very wrong somewhere.

[EX500rider]

25. When they disappear down tunnels that lead all over Gaza it gets a little tricky

[sarisataka]

4. It takes two sides to make peace

But only one side to make war

[keithbvadu2]

6. Which side is not making war?

[sarisataka]

8. It is more of a general observation

But if you wish to apply it to the current Middle East situation, neither side is terribly interested in peace at this moment.

[WarGamer]

17. Ask each side to define peace.

Start there.

[keithbvadu2]

19. Some, like Hamas, define it as total obliteration.

[Iggo]

20. Two? We don't even have one.

[roamer65]

23. Not with Nutbag Bibi in office.

He did everything he could to ruin the Oslo Accords.

[LexVegas]

24. Maybe after Hamas is obliterated. nt

[NameAlreadyTaken]

26. Not possible.

[radicalleft]

27. I'm curious

in your observation, what is Israel's role in a peace process?

[keithbvadu2]

28. Stop being attacked?

[radicalleft]

30. So Israel is completley blameless

in the conflicts of this region over tha past 100 years. IOW, what would in your opinion be that Israel can do to insure a lasting peace between both parties. I know what you want the Palestinin side to do, but "agreements" take both parties to commit to something.

[keithbvadu2]

31. "both parties" - Absolutely correct... The only solid commitment is Hamas to continue terrorism

no matter what.

[JI7]

29. Maybe if Iran's Islamist leadership can be brought down

And Saudi Arabia and Israel go ahead with opening relations and Saudi recognizing Israel.

[maxsolomon]

32. Eventually.

Probably not in my remaining 20-30 years.