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I have a bad feeling about this Speaker vote (Original Post) Roland99 Oct 2023 OP
When the Republican Party makes its choice in this matter they will be telling the world who they are. Chainfire Oct 2023 #1
All of them were like that. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #2
Not like Johnson Army Brat Oct 2023 #4
Maybe not quite like Johnson... BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #15
What else are they like? ismnotwasm Oct 2023 #27
He's going to win but... AkFemDem Oct 2023 #3
Definitely worse than Emmer, probably not worse than Jordan Prairie Gates Oct 2023 #10
Every Johnson vote says "I'm a coward and I don't care" C_U_L8R Oct 2023 #5
would be really interesting if the vote were anonymous wouldn't it? rurallib Oct 2023 #9
Appears so. Think we were better off with McCarthy, unfortunately. Silent Type Oct 2023 #6
How so? Yavin4 Oct 2023 #19
He at least was willing to fund Ukraine ITAL Oct 2023 #20
Doesn't matter what Kevin wanted. It's what his caucus wants. Yavin4 Oct 2023 #21
Very likely a gov shutdown and who know what else this lunatic will try to derail. honest.abe Oct 2023 #22
Simple, Johnson is a bigger A-hole, trumper, and worse, than McCarthy. They both suck, but it's rationalization Silent Type Oct 2023 #23
Damage he can do will be limited, but. DemocratInPa Oct 2023 #7
The MSNBC host said all the holdouts have fallen in line, that they UTUSN Oct 2023 #8
Johnson has said he'd not have voted to certify the election Roland99 Oct 2023 #12
Jordan is in his own class of weird extremism. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #16
Why do we care which fascist shithead gets elected? Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #11
This is my thinking Arthur_Frain Oct 2023 #18
How much can they realistically accomplish? everyonematters Oct 2023 #13
Lol the complete devolution happened years ago. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #14
While I too don't like Johnson FrankBooth Oct 2023 #17
They are risking majority of House in 2024 election. LiberalFighter Oct 2023 #24
House GOP doubles down on Trump again... jcgoldie Oct 2023 #25
remember that Democrats have the white house and the senate MistakenLamb Oct 2023 #26
First on the Agenda bpj62 Oct 2023 #28

Chainfire

(17,641 posts)
1. When the Republican Party makes its choice in this matter they will be telling the world who they are.
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:18 PM
Oct 2023

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
15. Maybe not quite like Johnson...
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:30 PM
Oct 2023

You're right. McCarthy is more of a Trump guy out of fear and convenience, not principle. Which kind of goes without saying, since McCarthy seems to have no principles.

In any case, the "easy" part is getting a speaker. The hard part is actually legislating. I'm worried how these clowns are going to try and write a budget.

AkFemDem

(1,836 posts)
3. He's going to win but...
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:20 PM
Oct 2023

I don't think this is any worse than Jordan or Emmer. McCarthy has the lowest "conservative score" of all the private vote winners in this congress, if we'd wanted to avoid a conservative-conservative then we wouldn't have voted to oust him. The end result though, was always going to be a republican. Because I have a personal loathing for Jordan, anyone but Jordan is a small victory to me.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
21. Doesn't matter what Kevin wanted. It's what his caucus wants.
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:41 PM
Oct 2023

And stupidly, he armed his opponents to remove him if/when he didn't give them what they wanted. Kevin thought that the Democrats would save them, but instead of working with the Dems, he showed us his ass. So, fuck Kevin McCarthy.

honest.abe

(8,685 posts)
22. Very likely a gov shutdown and who know what else this lunatic will try to derail.
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:42 PM
Oct 2023

McCarthy was bad but he did work with us to get debt ceiling passed and extension of the budget.

Silent Type

(2,951 posts)
23. Simple, Johnson is a bigger A-hole, trumper, and worse, than McCarthy. They both suck, but it's rationalization
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:42 PM
Oct 2023

to say we are better off with Johnson. We aren't, unless Johnson is surprises us.

UTUSN

(70,740 posts)
8. The MSNBC host said all the holdouts have fallen in line, that they
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:27 PM
Oct 2023

had said JORDAN was too extreme yet JOHNSON is exactly as extreme.






Roland99

(53,342 posts)
12. Johnson has said he'd not have voted to certify the election
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:28 PM
Oct 2023

He’s essentially signaling he’d do the same again, even tho candidates aren’t even decided yet

Voltaire2

(13,162 posts)
11. Why do we care which fascist shithead gets elected?
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:28 PM
Oct 2023

Every single one of them is a fascist or onboard with the fascist majority. There was never going to be a ‘moderate’ - basically there aren’t any.

Arthur_Frain

(1,858 posts)
18. This is my thinking
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:33 PM
Oct 2023

With the rules in place, 8 magat hardcore house members are dictating to the other 220.

My only (forlorn) hope is that after all of this shitshow, they lose any kind of meaningful majority in the upcoming elections. Not optimistic about that, (it’s about as likely as Jeffires being confirmed for speaker) but I’ve got to have something to hope for.

everyonematters

(3,435 posts)
13. How much can they realistically accomplish?
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:28 PM
Oct 2023

They don't control the Senate or the White House. An election is just a year away. If they shut down the government, they will get the flack for it.

FrankBooth

(1,606 posts)
17. While I too don't like Johnson
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:31 PM
Oct 2023

There are no good choices who could win. And there will be no perceptible difference between Johnson as speaker and McCarthy before him, except Johnson won't have the sway/connections with donors and the GOP machinery that the former speaker had, which will not help them in '24. The devolution of the GOP to this was inevitable and unsurprising.

jcgoldie

(11,646 posts)
25. House GOP doubles down on Trump again...
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:49 PM
Oct 2023

...even as everything else seems to be crumbling around him.

MistakenLamb

(537 posts)
26. remember that Democrats have the white house and the senate
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:51 PM
Oct 2023

and the next congress will chose the speaker not this one.

bpj62

(999 posts)
28. First on the Agenda
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 02:26 PM
Oct 2023

1. Impeachment of Joseph R. Biden
2. National ban on abortion
3. Revamping/Defunding Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare
4. Some sort of ban on the LGBT community
5. Attempt to defund the DOJ
6. Pass a draconian budget bill that has no chance of passing the Senate and then try to blame the Democrats for the government shutdown.

I could list more but the crazies are fully in charge now in the house and hopefully America will see them for who they are.
Personally I am only worried about the budget as that directly impacts people's daily lives and you now have a bunch of hostage takers in charge.
On a different note how quickly will Kevin McCarthy be kicked out of the speakers office. My bet is by 5pm this evening. Guarantee you Matt Gaetz will film the whole thing.

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