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In the aftermath of the Six-Day War in 1967, many American Jews grappled with a challenge that the Talmudic scholar Hillel had posed 1,900 years earlier: If I am not for myself, who will be?
If I am only for myself, what am I?
In the late 1960s and early 1970s, Jewish lay and religious leaders commonly invoked that famous philosophical question from synagogue bimahs, at political conferences and in newspaper editorials. They had been shocked at their apparent abandonment by many American liberals particularly liberal Christians who voiced greater concern and affinity for hostile Arab countries than for the state of Israel. The whiplash from this abandonment led many American Jews to reevaluate their political allegiances. Could they stand up for themselves, even if doing so meant breaking with former allies, and still stay true to their liberal values?
Its that same feeling of abandonment that many American Jews, particularly the communitys majority of political liberals, are struggling with today. In the two weeks since Hamas unleashed a brutal attack against Jewish and non-Jewish Israelis a modern-day pogrom that included rape, the murder of babies, the kidnapping of young and old civilians by the hundreds and gangland executions of innocents many American Jews are writhing in anger at self-styled progressives who strike them as wholly insensitive to Jewish suffering and trigger-happy not just to decry Israels military response but to deny its very right to exist.
I am in such a state of despair, said Nick Melvoin, a member of the Los Angeles Unified School Board and current candidate for Congress. In my generation, we have been warned how quickly people would turn on us and we just thought no way. A rabbi and progressive activist in LA put the matter in sharper relief when she observed that the clear message from many in the world, especially from our world those who claim to care the most about justice and human dignity is that these Israeli victims somehow deserved this terrible fate.
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brer cat
(24,605 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,886 posts)EllieBC
(3,041 posts)they need something. When they want to use us. When they want support for something.
lostnfound
(16,190 posts)And what type of support will it be? A large part of the rights base is antisemitic Nazis.
I feel sorry that Israels in this position. Beyond the terror attack, it has to attack back, which must also be painful to the national psyche (especially for a people who are unusually attentive to spirituality), and frightening when it comes to ground cleanup operations as well as fear of ending up in war with neighbors.
Its best for all of us on the left to avoid thinking about the Palestinians. They women and children will be unfortunate collateral damage but probably not in numbers greater than in Shitamachi Tokyo in one night in March 1945. Poor, crowded neighborhoods, unable to flee. Actually quite similar in that there was an unknown but real extent of support in those neighborhoods. Compared to Curtis LeMay, the Israelis are showing far more restraint. If and when theres 100,000 dead, it would definitely be time to speak up. I doubt thats likely. Anyway there would be quite a war resulting from that.
Its not like other countries want to welcome the Palestinians. In fact, theres a U.S. congressman trying to pass a law to prevent any Palestinians from immigrating to the US. Im told that neighboring Arab countries dont want them either.
EllieBC
(3,041 posts)This is not an unknown fact to many of us. Sure, some of my community are shocked but a lot of us werent.
Support for Jewish people only exists if the attackers are rightwing.
lostnfound
(16,190 posts)Who are you referring to when you say no one is supportive of the Jews?? That is a very blanket statement.
Of course most of this aid is military in nature. Maybe it would be better for the US troops to go help with peacekeeping or interrogating in Gaza. Sweeping through tunnels is hazardous work. The Israelis shouldnt have to do it alone, every time. Seems more achievable than Iraq or Afghanistan. Its the population of 2 large cities, and not a lot of land. Like taking over a county, not a whole country. Might start WW3, but at least youd feel better supported.
Countries That Received the Most Foreign Aid From the U.S. in 2021:
Israel ($3.3B)
Jordan ($1.6B)
Afghanistan ($1.4B)
Ethiopia ($1.39B)
Egypt ($1.29B)
Yemen ($1.04B)
South Sudan ($954M)
Congo (Kinshasa) ($825M)
Somalia ($790M)
Syria ($782M)
stuck in the middle
(821 posts)Who else should we avoid thinking about?
lostnfound
(16,190 posts)We definitely need to be thinking about these two women.
Nurit Cooper, 79, and Yocheved Lifshitz, 85. Remind me of my beautiful, vivacious, delightful neighbor. And although these two women were released, their husbands are still captives. Ages 83 and 84. Makes me want to cry. It does make me cry. I really hate people who attack old people almost as much as I hate people who attack kids.
Appearing weak in a wheelchair and speaking softly, 85-year-old Yocheved Lifshitz told reporters Tuesday that the militants beat her with sticks, bruising her ribs and making it hard to breathe as they kidnapped her. They drove her into Gaza, then forced her to walk several kilometers (miles) on wet ground to reach a network of tunnels that looked like a spider web, she said.
Once there, though, her treatment improved, she said. The people assigned to guard her told us they are people who believe in the Quran and wouldnt hurt us. Lifshitz, whose husband remains a hostage, said conditions were kept clean, she received medical care, including medication, and was given the same one meal a day of cheese and cucumber that her captors had.
Its best if we dont think about this, a graphic from AP thats shows
15-20 trucks (dark blue) allowed in to Gaza now
200 trucks lined up/ U.N. says daily need
500 trucks per day normally go into Gaza.
Or this boy here.
Palestinian boy sits on the rubble of the building destroyed in an Israeli airstrike in Bureij refugee camp Gaza Strip, Wednesday, Oct. 18, 2023
Those two images make me cry too, because I listened deeply to the story of the childhood of a boy who grew up truly starving in wartime Japan 80 years ago.
We should not think about these people, because its very important to keep space in ones heart for only one side of war.
https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-gaza-israel-humanitarian-siege-war-hamas-de2695f3b8b47753e09252089d22d4cd
Netanyahu says he doesnt plan on taking control of Gaza. Maybe that is a mistake. This pain will never go away.
Happy Hoosier
(7,386 posts)Please be explicit about who you mean. Many on the left, including myself, are very supportive of American Jews, oppose Antisemitism, and many of us support Israel in this latest debacle. Even those of us very critical of Israel's government tend to be very supportive of American Jews.
EllieBC
(3,041 posts)Thats the they.
Happy Hoosier
(7,386 posts)And yes, I agree. And I think it's a disgrace.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)Just look at history and how fast the world turned on Israel after they retaliated.
Happy Hoosier
(7,386 posts)First, it is important to NOT equate Israel=Jews. That is simply wrong. American Jews are AMERICANS. There NOT Israelis (at least mostly... I realize that there are some dual citizens).
Although I support Israel (at least so far) in this latest debacle, I won't forget that Israel is currently controlled by a right-wing government that was happily moving towards a semi-fascist state. MILLIONS of Israelis oppose Likud and its policies. They aren't Antisemitic and neither are us gentiles who are critical of Likud, and by extension, the nation-state of Israel they represent.
Again, Israel =/ Jews worldwide.
EllieBC
(3,041 posts)Most Jews do hold Israel close their hearts. The only Jews many leftist like are the self-deprecating, non religious, non Zionist.
Happy Hoosier
(7,386 posts)... between holding Israel close to their hearts, and owing a particular government political loyalty.
My mother was German and I hold Germany, the land of at least half my ancestors, close to my heart.
I clearly do not support all its governments!
One can support the idea of Israel and it fervently support its right to exist and act in self-defense while being critical of a particular government.
I assume you do not support Likud, in general.... not if you generally support Democratic ideals?
LexVegas
(6,094 posts)electric_blue68
(14,934 posts)Even if I do not like Netanyahu, or illegal West Bank settlements.
I think Israel had to make some kind of response after such a heinous horrific slaughter, and hostage taking, and, yes, going after Hamas. I'm just not sure how they are going about it is going to turn out ok. Certainly not for Palestinian children the most, and orhers.
Along with the Israeli soldiers who may go into Gaza (haven't seen the latest news yet), and their families, good friends, should they be badly Injured, or killed.
Still, bombing that much? Idk.
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)Over the years Ive tried to educate my self on isms racism, sexism anti-semitism. Ive read books, , gone to classes and seminars. Talked to people, been actively involved when I can.
I have a better grasp on some things than others I think. I found being intellectually aware doesnt prepare me for the reality. I KNOW anti-semitism is prevalent as well as insidious. That is dangerous, and that it drives a lot of bigotry. Scratch any white supremacist using the n word and you will find a whole rant about Jewish people running things
Then turn around and say Im not anti-semitic
I still wasnt prepared for what is going on right now. People expressing hatred for Israel in terms that are absolute. That call for the destruction of the country and its people. Nothing said about what happens after, no plan nor plot, no compassion. Its not just Israel either. God its everywhere.
I am so sorry, and I will try and do better. I will try to be more aware. This is heartbreaking and terrifying
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,558 posts)I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor for a while including the "brand new congress group" and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all corporate democrats.
The Justice Democrat group want to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image. I also do not want the Democratic Party to be taken over by the Justice Democrat group.
I am not the only person who has issues with the concept that the Justice Democrats want to take over the Democratic Party
Link to tweet
Lately members of this group have been attacking President Biden and all Jewish Democrats. This group has been attacking Israel for a while and now this group is attacking President Biden. I am getting the same email two or three times. Some days I get three or four emails from the Justice Democrats asking for funding to protect members of the Justice Democrats from nasty Jews and AIPAC.
Here are excerpts from an email that I have received three times
We are collectively witnessing the state of Israel commit public ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza after a long history of violent occupation and nearly two decades of blockading. What we our elected officials, our media, and ourselves as individuals do in this moment will undoubtedly have life-changing impacts for generations to come.,,,,
You may have noticed weve been in touch more often this week asking you to financially support Justice Democrats and our incumbents in Congress, as the violence in Israel and Palestine worsens. This is a longer email, but I want to take a moment to explain why.,,,,
We are collectively witnessing the state of Israel commit public ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza after a long history of violent occupation and nearly two decades of blockading. What we our elected officials, our media, and ourselves as individuals do in this moment will undoubtedly have life-changing impacts for generations to come.....
AIPAC spent millions trying to stop them and failed. Now, AIPAC is already recruiting candidates to challenge these progressive incumbents, while AIPAC-funded officials like Rep. Josh Gottheimer verbally attack them and Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries remains silent.
Here is another email that attacks AIPAC and Jewish Democrats
AIPAC | Text ISRAEL to 24722 | #StandWithIsrael @AIPAC
Calling for a ceasefire now is a transparent ploy by @RepCori and the anti-Israel squad to paint Israel as the aggressor and allow Hamas to stay in power.
Hamas massacres Israelis while condemning innocent Palestinians to be human shields.
To save lives, Hamas must be driven out of Gaza.
Our bloc has shown tremendous political courage over the last week at the cost of being attacked by both establishment Democrats and Republicans.
AIPAC has millions of dollars at their disposal to spend against us. Remember, they tried to defeat Summer Lee last cycle, and are actively recruiting against Jamaal, Ilhan and Summer right now.
? So now, we need to be prepared for AIPAC to spend heavily against our candidates who have been bravely calling for a ceasefire. We need their voices in Congress now more than ever.
I admit that I am amused by the pleas for money given that I am a Jewish democrat who practices corporate law (I guess that this makes me a "corporate democrat" ).
Hamas is the enemy here and must be dealt with
rollin74
(1,990 posts)on both the far right and far left fringes. It is sickening.
Sympthsical
(9,111 posts)"We have been warned how quickly people would turn on us."
The ones involved were always turned. It was just more pleasant not to notice.
If there's a silver lining to it, it's the fact that people are now seeing what has been there for some time. I hope this catalyzes some changes in what is found acceptable in ideological and academic spaces. Because a lot of ugliness is getting an airing, and it is now impossible to ignore.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)This is NOT the same as not supporting Jews, either here or in Israel. There are multitudes of American Jews who don't support Netanyahu's policies - including nearly every Jewish person I know, relatives and neighbors.