Fact. No dispute. These are the facts.

[sheshe2]

Link to tweet

- You insult our President while he's conducting critical foreign policy.
- You nominate THE WORST GUY who hasn't passed a bill, and knew all about January 6th.
- And you want to shut down the government AND you're trying to kill Social Security and Medicare.

And you expect US to bail YOU out?

Where were YOU for Speaker Pelosi in 2007 or 2021? NONE of you voted for her.

I'm sick and tired of people letting Republicans act as crazy as they want without repercussions, and then blaming Democrats for not being MORE adult.

The House is broken because Republicans are idiots who cannot legislate.

[raging moderate]

1. I wish I could give this post a big heart!

Thank you for phrasing it so eloquently.

[sheshe2]

2. This is a leader.

[DaBronx]

32. Get this to the greatest page ever

Bless this woman

[sheshe2]

33. She is amazing, isn't she.

[Wounded Bear]

39. Not sure, really, but I think that pic may be photoshopped...

[sheshe2]

41. Ya think 😆😆😆

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

45. Nah, her hands are actual size

Notice how his hands are carefully hidden? They'd look like Deadpool's babyhand in comparison

[republianmushroom]

3. I agree with you. Completely.

[betsuni]

4. K&R

[MustBeTheBooz]

5. Fuckin' A!!! n/t

[kelly1mm]

6. While all true, other facts also remain: the urgent funding request President Biden

is asking for both Israel and Ukraine cannot be acted on without a speaker and in a matter of weeks the government will shut down and avoiding that cannot be done without a speaker. Many/most R's may be fine with both those outcomes. This may necessitate a tough decision at some point by the D's. Letting the R's flounder has significant immediate international consequences (as in days, not weeks) while in a handful of weeks the government will shut down.

Again, many R's are fine with both outcomes. The question is will D's also be?

(I am not saying the D's should be in this position, just that when dealing with functional toddlers someone has to be the grownup in the room)

[TomSlick]

9. Exactly.

My first rec for a reply.

[sheshe2]

13. So you believe that the Democrats are ok with this?

[TomSlick]

18. Kelly1mm didn't speculate whether "Democrats are ok with this."

The reply was a statement of facts.

The Republicans are incapable of governing. It is unclear that the GOP has any interest in governing. At some point, the Democrats are going to be required to fund the government, provide arms to Ukraine, etc.

[GopherGal]

43. GOP Interest in Governing:

They don't want to "govern". Authoritarians that they are, they want to "Rule"

[sheshe2]

12. Well, Kelly, the Democrats are the only adults in the room.

Jim and MAGA have made it clear they will NOT support funding to Ukraine. They will hold the country hostage over SS benefits that have NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR BUDGET! They have already been paid for.

The fact that you would even ask that the Democrats would be accepting of an outcome of no Ukraine support and a government lock down, throwing our economy and our security into question is frightening to me.

Again, many R's are fine with both outcomes. The question is will D's also be?

Here is am fun fact, raising the debt limit is to pay for money already spent which includes tfg tax cuts for the rich. Kind of funny, isn't it...they never hold up those funds when the GOP/MAGA is in the WH.

[kelly1mm]

20. The D's not cutting some type of deal to empower SOME R to be speaker (or convincing

a few R's to support Jeffries as speaker) will, without a doubt result in no action being taken at all (because it can't) in regards to President Biden's 'urgent request' for aid to Israel and Ukraine. How long should that sit in limbo? The fact that is can't be acted upon without a speaker is a fact, just like the fact you laid out. (Assuming of course that the R's continue to be unable to find there own speaker which they absolutely should)

In a matter of weeks the government will shut down without a speaker. That is a fact, just like the facts you laid out.

I suppose the D's could point and laugh with derision at the incompetence of the R's while the Congress cannot function (which would be rightly deserved) but understand there are real world consequences to that.

[sheshe2]

22. Hm.

The D's not cutting some type of deal to empower SOME R to be speaker

Kelly, their own party is refusing to vote for him, they are the majority and have the votes to make him speaker. Yet here you are saying that it is somehow the Democrats fault.

The Democrats are fully aware of the truth and consequences of the MAGA inaction.

No, Kelly. They won't be laughing.

suppose the D's could point and laugh with derision at the incompetence of the R's while the Congress cannot function (which would be rightly deserved) but understand there are real world consequences to that.

SMDH. I can't believe you actually posted that.

[kelly1mm]

27. Nowhere have I said it is D's fault. Nowhere. I have, in fact, stated this is due to

R incompetence.
What I am saying is that D's can, if they want to, vote to empower some R as speaker just to get some necessary legislation passed, including the urgent request our President is making for Israel/Ukraine aid and to avoid a government shut down.

Is ANY of this D's fault? No.

Frankly I am befuddled how you would think I was blaming this on D's at all. I wrote in my first post:

&quot I am not saying the D's should be in this position, just that when dealing with functional toddlers someone has to be the grownup in the room)"

Please point me to any statement that could reasonably be read as blaming the D's for this situation?

[sabbat hunter]

28. They only need a majority vote

of those attending the vote. The Dems just need a few Rs to simply not show up at all, then vote in a bloc for Jeffries, and Jeffries becomes the new speaker.

[kelly1mm]

29. That would work too! Time for a little 'red flu'?? The only problem is the speaker would

still be subject to removal by the R's at any time and still (I believe) be subject to a vote to remove based on one member making the motion to remove as (I believe) that rule will not expire till new rules are put in place in the next congress.

[radical noodle]

36. That's really all they can do

Voting for someone like Jim Jordan is not an option. Republicans just don't want to work with Democrats because they fear backlash from their voters if they do. The "Speaker at any cost" narrative was what they thought would get Jordan through, but thankfully enough Republicans had the backbone to oppose him. The damage a MAGAt could do with the Speaker's gavel is horrifying and no Democrat should ever vote for that.

Of course, there are real-world consequences, but I'm not sure I know what you think we should do about it.

[ZonkerHarris]

51. Thanks for the GOP talking point.

[Layzeebeaver]

35. im not a constitutional lawyer (and not a lawyer anyway) but...

I wonder what constitutional powers the president has in these circumstances?

1. A declaration of national emergency? (The repugs would quickly use that as a move toward a dictatorship - so it s anon-starter unless handled very carefully)

2. is there some presidential power that can temporarily maintain funding?

I don't know the answers. And the questions might be stupid in the first place.

[AnnaLee]

7. Yes

[Sky Jewels]

8. Oh, and then there was that little incidents where Jim Jordan and other Republicans

TRIED TO VIOLENTLY OVERTHROW THE US GOVERNMENT, INSTALL AN INSANE PERSON AS DICTATOR FOR LIFE, AND DESTROY 245 YEARS OF DEMOCRACY!

Are we fucking supposed to forget about that?!?!

[sheshe2]

16. Yes they did.

Fact.
We do not negotiate with terrorists!

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

46. Only Republicans negotiate with terrorists

Nixon & Viet Cong, 1968
Reagan & Iran 1980

[billh58]

50. Trump & the Taliban - 2020

Why Trump cut the deal

When Trump came into office, he was pretty transparent — he just wanted out of Afghanistan. “Trump had no real sense of what was at stake in the war or why to stay,” writes Georgetown professor Paul Miller in a digestible history of the 20-year war.

So Trump took a swing at something his predecessors hadn’t: a full-bore effort to strike a deal with the Taliban. It took nine rounds of talks over 18 months. At one point, Trump secretly invited the Taliban to the presidential retreat at Camp David on the eve of the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. But he shut that down — and on Twitter threatened to shut down all talks — after an American service member was killed and there was bipartisan backlash over the invitation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/20/trump-peace-deal-taliban/

[keithbvadu2]

53. Trump and his love-letter pal, Rocketman Kim.

[mcar]

10. They are shameless, she

Our Pres. Biden and VP Harris are showing amazing leadership. All they can do is blame anyone else.

[sheshe2]

17. So true, mcar.

Thank you and I agree, they have done an amazing job keeping us safe and economically sound despite the MAGAT's among us that are trying to tear this country down.

[world wide wally]

44. Democrats have to start complaining that Republicans have been blocking Jeffries from being elected

in spite of him having the most votes in every round.

[brer cat]

11. K&R

[senseandsensibility]

14. This is the truth

and it is infuriating. "Objective" journalists certainly won't confront R's with these facts, but our elected Dem officials need to. I mean, it's ridiculous.

[William769]

15. K&R.

[Ford_Prefect]

19. Republicans are dangerous idiots who cannot legislate, nor lead, nor constructively engage in governance of any kind.

They only intend to dismantle justice and democracy. As a party they have NO OTHER INTENTIONS.

see: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218378440

Amid House Speaker Chaos, GOP Confess Attack on Social Security, Medicare Still Top Priority

...one right-wing lawmaker cut through the Republican infighting to remind his fellow GOP members of the common goal they share: cutting programs that millions of Americans rely on to obtain healthcare and afford their day-to-day expenses.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/jordan-social-security-medicare

[AleksS]

21. Agreed. I am very very tired of the:

"Why didn't you stop us! This thing we did is completely actually 100% your fault because you didn't stop us!"

It's just their refrain over and over when they screw something up.

[sheshe2]

25. Exactly!

We are not their babysitter, their nanny or their mother. They were elected to do a job and if they can't do it then they should resign! They act like recalcitrant children. I broke it mommy, please fix it.

Grow the fuck up and take some responsibility for once in your life. Admit you were wrong, admit you were fooled and do what is right for this country.

[gab13by13]

23. Fantastic thread sheshe2

The facts are plain to see:

1. House Magats have the votes to elect any Speaker they want.
2. House Magats have the votes give Bow Tie Boy more power, if the parliamentarian OKays it.
3. Tell me again why it's Democrats fault?

[sheshe2]

42. Thank you, gab.

[evolves]

24. Can't argue

with any of that!

[onenote]

26. Exactly. This is what reporters should ask every repub that tries to pass the buck

Ask them whether, if the shoe was on the other foot, would they have cast a vote to make Nancy Pelosi speaker.

Let them squirm.

[OAITW r.2.0]

30. Convice 1/2 dozen threatened Republicans to become Independent.

Magical things happen. Pass a CR on the Deficit. Vote for aid - Ukraine and Israel.

And then you hold true power in the House....for the term. And a grateful Country will acknowledge your political sacrifice.

[NowISeetheLight]

31. Absolutely

100% CORRECT.

[SocialDemocrat61]

34. I blame the corporate media

They’ve been carrying water for the republicans for decades. Most correspondents and anchors make so much money, they have no idea how regular people live.

[SteveX]

37. It feels like

We are just sitting around, waiting for the American people to figure this out.
As the decades Slip by

[KS Toronado]

38. Welcome to DU!

[BigOleDummy]

40. Welcome

Welcome to DU!

[redqueen]

47. This is fantastic

[Joinfortmill]

48. Amen

[paleotn]

49. Amen and amen

[area51]

52. Preach it!