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William769

(55,148 posts)
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 08:25 PM Oct 2023

Here's The Hourly Income You Need To Afford Rent Around The U.S., And It's Not Looking Good

ull-time workers who make minimum wage can’t afford a one-bedroom rental home in any state in the U.S. without spending more than the recommended 30 percent of their income, according to a report from the National Low Income Housing Coalition (NLIHC).

The group’s annual “Out of Reach” report compares minimum wages and housing costs in states, metropolitan areas and counties across the country. This year’s results show the hourly wage rate needed for a “modest” two-bedroom rental in 2022 is more than double the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour in every single state.

Nationally, a person would need to make $25.82 per hour to pay for a modest two bedroom rental home without spending more than 30 percent of their income on housing. For a modest one-bedroom rental, it’s $21.25.

Even where local minimum wages are higher than the federal standard, it’s not enough. “No local minimum wages are sufficient to afford a one-bedroom rental home at the fair market rent with a 40-hour workweek,” the group states.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personalfinance/here-s-the-hourly-income-you-need-to-afford-rent-around-the-u-s-and-it-s-not-looking-good/ar-AA1ifP5n?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ENTPHB&cvid=762e66468a2c477a8da0e57d826e653a&ei=49

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Here's The Hourly Income You Need To Afford Rent Around The U.S., And It's Not Looking Good (Original Post) William769 Oct 2023 OP
Damn, Puerto Rico's not looking bad! FakeNoose Oct 2023 #1
I wouldn't mind living there. William769 Oct 2023 #2
Rents moniss Oct 2023 #18
Except for that hurricaine issue. progressoid Oct 2023 #19
Here's a link to a map you can read. Pages 21 & 22. CrispyQ Oct 2023 #3
Thanks! William769 Oct 2023 #4
Another measure of sorts moniss Oct 2023 #25
That's depressing. sheshe2 Oct 2023 #5
Click your ruby red slippers three times, maybe we will find sanity again. William769 Oct 2023 #6
We can see if it will work. sheshe2 Oct 2023 #10
in 1995 my rent was 50% of my take home thatdemguy Oct 2023 #7
How much do you spend now? William769 Oct 2023 #8
well my mortgage is thatdemguy Oct 2023 #13
When I graduated from collegein 1984, I got a job just north of Silicon Valley on the peninsula ... aggiesal Oct 2023 #22
That was a good deal at the time TimeToGo Oct 2023 #28
I moved after 11 years. I found myself chasing the down payment. n/t aggiesal Oct 2023 #30
Yes TimeToGo Oct 2023 #33
Between health insur ( for those under 65) and rent you can NOT afford to live. BigmanPigman Oct 2023 #9
No matter what we do crud Oct 2023 #11
The bigger crisis is that the Jerry2144 Oct 2023 #20
I will never be able to afford returning to the States sanatanadharma Oct 2023 #12
That is for a 40 hour work week. In many cases people need two jobs to get 40 hours pay. nt doc03 Oct 2023 #14
There's a reason a lot of people now are doubling, tripling, or even quadrupling up in their living 4lbs Oct 2023 #15
wow Grasswire2 Oct 2023 #16
A minimum wage person could look for a studio apartment instead of a 1BR/2BR. Or even a share. thesquanderer Oct 2023 #24
Yes. I rented a room in various houses for years after college gristy Oct 2023 #27
Go back to how it used to be Kaleva Oct 2023 #32
With more than 25% of all rental housing owned by investment firms and Ford_Prefect Oct 2023 #17
This is what has to stop. Family homes should not be investment JCMach1 Oct 2023 #23
I don't know how people in Mass. are managing it Warpy Oct 2023 #21
Greed is not good or pretty. tiredtoo Oct 2023 #26
What sucks is that raising the minimum wage won't actually lift people up and out of poverty because cstanleytech Oct 2023 #29
A 2 bedroom apt costs between $800- $900 a month where I live Kaleva Oct 2023 #31

CrispyQ

(36,556 posts)
3. Here's a link to a map you can read. Pages 21 & 22.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 08:35 PM
Oct 2023
https://reports.nlihc.org/sites/default/files/oor/OOR_BOOK_2020.pdf

Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour & hasn't been raised since 2009. Shameful, absolutely shameful.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
25. Another measure of sorts
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:27 PM
Oct 2023

is a new basic Honda Civic in 2009 had a sticker starting around $16K. The 2023 starts at just over $23K. That percentage trend of about a 50% increase in pricing follows through on the used market for cars also. Many times in cities where better paying jobs have moved to the suburban industrial parks there are transportation barriers for people to be able to reliably get to those jobs. Mass transit may not serve the area etc. Hitching rides and car pooling are not always a sure thing right away and employers want to know you will be at work every day and not have transportation issues.

thatdemguy

(453 posts)
7. in 1995 my rent was 50% of my take home
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 08:48 PM
Oct 2023

For a modest 1 bedroom, add in electric and it was about 60%. I brought home right at 250 a week and my rent was 485, electric was another 100.

I spent 11 bucks a week on grocerys, and most of that was oodle of noodles. I was in local 24 ibew, and paid more in union dues than I ate a week.

It sucked

thatdemguy

(453 posts)
13. well my mortgage is
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:18 PM
Oct 2023

just over 30% of my take home. All the extras for tv, electric etc run 350-650 a month depending on the time of the year. But I make a lot more than I did 30 years ago. I also have a house on 5 acres.

aggiesal

(8,950 posts)
22. When I graduated from collegein 1984, I got a job just north of Silicon Valley on the peninsula ...
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:14 PM
Oct 2023

I was making $13.80/hr.
My rent was $500/mo.
That was a little under 50% (45.3%) of my take home pay.

I had to pay Gas, Electric & Telephone (Cell phones only existed in Get Smart or Star Trek TV shows)

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
28. That was a good deal at the time
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:40 PM
Oct 2023

We paid $700 a month in the early 80s in the Bay Area. 2 bedrooms, 1 bath. Nice enough, but not special. Loved it out there, but that was one of the main reasons for leaving.

aggiesal

(8,950 posts)
30. I moved after 11 years. I found myself chasing the down payment. n/t
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:51 PM
Oct 2023

$500 was for 1BdRm, 1 Ba. apartment

Jerry2144

(2,127 posts)
20. The bigger crisis is that the
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:10 PM
Oct 2023

Typical billionaire can’t afford the aircraft carrier sized yachts while paying their 0% tax rates.


Note:

sanatanadharma

(3,748 posts)
12. I will never be able to afford returning to the States
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:10 PM
Oct 2023

In Montevideo, Uruguay rent a one bedroom sea-side*, all rooms sea-view, 4th floor apartment with 50 foot wide balcony overlooking the water and a park, with potable water and heat for $1060.00 US per month in a historic building.
My cardiologist visit next month will be $15 US.

* Technically the very wide Rio de la Plata estuary here is not sea but 60 miles upriver, though it is here called 'el mar'.

4lbs

(6,866 posts)
15. There's a reason a lot of people now are doubling, tripling, or even quadrupling up in their living
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:00 PM
Oct 2023

arrangements. Just to be able to afford to live.

I know of 4 people (two couples), that rent a 3 bedroom, 2.5 bathroom house for $4000 per month locally. That comes out to pretty much $1000 per person just for rent. They were able to wrangle a 2-year lease with the landlord, so that the price is stable for that time.

Each couple lives in a bedroom, and the 3rd bedroom is for their children, each couple has one child. The children share a bedroom (they are really young right now and both are boys).

Add in health insurance, car insurance, transportation (gas, etc.), food, utilities, etc. and that is easily another $1000 monthly each.

So, $2000 per month per person just to live "normally". Remember, that is just RENT. No home ownership or equity buildup. They are somewhat young right now (each couple is in their later 20's).

If one couple was to move away, it would be very difficult for the other couple to do anything. They would also have to leave and go to a much smaller place, or else try to replace those that left.

thesquanderer

(11,998 posts)
24. A minimum wage person could look for a studio apartment instead of a 1BR/2BR. Or even a share.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:21 PM
Oct 2023

I don't find it surprising that minimum wage doesn't provide the ideal living standard.

Longer term, hopefully, the remedy is that someone can get a better than minimum wage job.

But for students working summer jobs, people working their first job out of high school... I don't really see an inherent problem with their not being able to afford a 2 BR apartment (or even a 1 BR) with just 30% of their pay. I think this is the kind of thing that gets the right looking at the left like we're crazy.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
27. Yes. I rented a room in various houses for years after college
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:35 PM
Oct 2023

Eventually, and with the parents help, I could afford to buy a small 4 BR house, and I rented out 3 BR to 3 friends.

Ford_Prefect

(7,927 posts)
17. With more than 25% of all rental housing owned by investment firms and
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:03 PM
Oct 2023

both rents and property values inflated to suit them, things will get worse long before better arrives.

Warpy

(111,422 posts)
21. I don't know how people in Mass. are managing it
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:13 PM
Oct 2023

Whenever I start to get homesick, I just check the rents in my none too good neighborhood.

Congress still hasn't raised the national minimum wage from $7.25.

cstanleytech

(26,347 posts)
29. What sucks is that raising the minimum wage won't actually lift people up and out of poverty because
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:44 PM
Oct 2023

corporations just hike their prices and we are back in the same damn boat.
What's really needed is a change that is more likely to accomplish lifting people up and out is by approaching the problem with both a carrot and a stick.
The stick being a massive tax increase on corporations but the tasty carrot being that they can reduce their taxes depending on how many of their workers earn more than +500% of the federal poverty level as set automatically by the GAO without needing the consent of the Whitehouse or Congress.
Temp and contract workers (other than construction workers and similar such workers) also count as employees if a company excessively uses such workers.

Kaleva

(36,389 posts)
31. A 2 bedroom apt costs between $800- $900 a month where I live
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 11:00 PM
Oct 2023

Rent includes utilities except electricity

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