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phylny

(8,386 posts)
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 02:37 PM Oct 2023

WaPo: Moderates could unite amid House speaker chaos. Why don't they?

"Just hours before a vote to oust Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) as the House speaker Tuesday, a group of Democrats and Republicans met in a conference room on the third floor of the Cannon House Office Building to make a last-ditch attempt to avoid the history that was soon to be made.

"The group was drawn from the 64-member bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, representatives who consider themselves more moderate and more pragmatic than their parties’ firebrands. Some hailed from swing districts where voters might applaud bipartisan action.

"For over an hour, people familiar with the session said, Republicans in the group begged Democrats to support the stability of the institution by agreeing to save McCarthy — the speaker who had spent nine months catering to the most extreme elements in his party and who helped resurrect Donald Trump’s image after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

"Democrats were bewildered, the people said. They felt McCarthy had done little to earn their trust — and had not asked for their help."

https://wapo.st/3rHu22A

(gifted article, no paywall)

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I thought the article was interesting, but I'm glad Democrats didn't help. It's time to let the Republicans take the blame for their collective idiocy, even if it's painful in the process.

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WaPo: Moderates could unite amid House speaker chaos. Why don't they? (Original Post) phylny Oct 2023 OP
Fear relayerbob Oct 2023 #1
Pretty much on target............... Lovie777 Oct 2023 #2
Riddle me this, Washington Post gratuitous Oct 2023 #3
I agree! phylny Oct 2023 #4
First, there is no moderate core of the house gop left.... getagrip_already Oct 2023 #5
Yup. phylny Oct 2023 #6
SHOW ME THE MODERATES who objected to racist and violent calls in plain sight. usonian Oct 2023 #7
Why wouldn't the moderate R's pledge to vote for a speaker OK with the D's? Girard442 Oct 2023 #8
Dems are always the adults in the room aeromanKC Oct 2023 #9
republicans have the majority in the house, they are the ones who threw McCarthy out JohnSJ Oct 2023 #10
Because there is no such thing as a "moderate" Republican Miguelito Loveless Oct 2023 #11

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. Riddle me this, Washington Post
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 02:48 PM
Oct 2023

When was the first, last, or any time in between when the minority party voted for the majority party candidate for Speaker? I'll save you some research: Never. It's never happened. Not even for "Mr." Sam Rayburn or "Tip" O'Neill. Nobody in the minority party has voted for the majority party's candidate for Speaker.

But let's brush that aside, and consider the argument being put forward here. What isn't laughable is nonsensical. Even if McCarthy had dealt fairly and honestly toward the minority during his time as Speaker, there's no reason that Democrats should have to bail out Republicans for their governmental fecklessness. The list of broken promises and outright hostility toward Democrats had destroyed whatever credibility McCarthy might have had once upon a time. You acknowledge this in the standard oblique fashion: Democrats "felt McCarthy had done little to earn their trust," without any apparent reason, or at least for no reason the reporters at the Post could find.

So bring on the counterfactual, Washington Post: Democrats "feel" something is true, but is there any evidence for it? Did McCarthy actually done all kinds of things to establish a level of trust that Democrats should have honored? If so, cite the facts. Did McCarthy ask for help from the Democrats? When and where? Because it wasn't deep in ancient history, in fact, it was just this past weekend when McCarthy said he didn't need or want any help from Democrats. Do you have anything that says otherwise?

Knock off this fatuous bullshit, Washington Post. Whatever fantasy "moderates" you're trying to conjure up don't exist, and the Democrats have no reason - compelling or otherwise - to keep the Republicans from kicking each other in the junk.

getagrip_already

(14,837 posts)
5. First, there is no moderate core of the house gop left....
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 03:02 PM
Oct 2023

None, nada, gone.

They were driven out in the last election cycle with Cheney and those that served on j6 and who voted to impeach.

Even those who merely stood and criticized.

Gone. All gone.

So stuff it with the moderates. What they are, are the cowardly liars who want the dems to save them for free.

And who would then turn around and bl a me the dems for causing the mess in the first place.

Girard442

(6,084 posts)
8. Why wouldn't the moderate R's pledge to vote for a speaker OK with the D's?
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 03:19 PM
Oct 2023

I'll tell you why. They're MINOs. Moderates in name only.

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