Pew Research finds that US adults more likely to favor Republican ...

[albacore]

...platforms than Democratic platforms on:

Economics... 40%
Criminal Justice....33%
Foreign Policy....12%

(From Harper's Index October 2023)

Republicans will kill this country, with the help of a LOT of deluded, misinformed citizens.

[onecaliberal]

1. Nope. I don't buy their polls. I buy the recent special elections Dems have been overperforming

And winning big. These bullshit polls are fascist propaganda.

[marble falls]

3. I'm so with you on this: fuck the polls. They use too small of a sample to speak for 340,000,000.

[PlutosHeart]

27. F especially PEW

they turned a corner awhile back and fell down the sewer.

[RainCaster]

77. They are best at sniffing farts

Where do you think they got the name?

On a serious note, they haven't reflected reality for years.

[elleng]

4. Right

[LenaBaby61]

14. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[Think. Again.]

19. If that poll was true...

...wouldn't there be more republican voters than Democratic voters?

There isn't.

[reACTIONary]

48. No, that isn't the case...

.... there are more factors than do you or don't you agree with the dem or rep policy, on say, economics.

If you don't think the economy is a big problem, it doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with one party or another. You may agree with the rep policies on the economy, but if you are more concerned about health care or access to abortion, you vote dem.

[Think. Again.]

57. But the poll...

...was specifically about whether you favored r or D platforms (policies).

Are you saying there are D voters that agree more with the r policies on those 3 specific topics, but still vote dem, and vice-versa?

I find that difficult to believe in these extremely partisan-divided times, unless the platforms (policies) were presented in the poll without any indication of whether they were r or D policies?

Seems like a meaningless poll to take unless the pollster intends to manipulate the public into thinking something(?) that's based on twisted logic.

[reACTIONary]

81. You might want to ...

... take a look at the poll itself:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-health-costs-partisan-cooperation-among-the-nations-top-problems

Your question starts out with an unwarranted assumption - that a voter who agrees with the rep on one of these issues agrees also on the others. That isn't necessarily true.

There were NO policies presented in the poll. The questions were presented as "Which party would you say you agree with on each of the following policy areas?" Abortion policy, Gun policy, etc.

The poll covers a variety of policies... For instance, climate change policy. Most folks favor whatever it is they think the democratic policy on climate change is. So if voters are very concerned about climate change, they may vote dem regardless of what they think about economic policy.

Since you are concerned that Pew is manipulating the questions to achieve a pre-ordained result, you might want to actually look at the questions and the manner in which they were asked:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/PP_2023.06.21_national-problems_TOPLINE.pdf

I'm not exactly sure what the reason is for all the brouhaha about this poll is. Just because it didn't come out the way you want or expect (and only on three of multiple indicators) doesn't mean it is fake or propaganda or an evil plot. I would like us to be a bit more realistic in our thinking and expectations.

[Think. Again.]

85. I guess I just find it hard to believe...

...that in our very polarized time, so many of either Dem OR repub would answer that they agree with the other side's policies.

That would imply a much more bipartisan electorate than I see day to day.

Seems off to me. But polling these days is obviously (to me) much more than just collecting facts or opinions. Much more.

[muriel_volestrangler]

98. I don't think there are any figures there for "I agree with the other side's policies"

The "agree" part only gives the overall figure, not divided up by party "allegiance". It says that 42% of the whole population prefer Republican economic policy, and 30% prefer Democratic policy. That 42% is probably nearly all "Republican supporters", and, it would seem, a significant part of "independents". About 26% said "I don't agree with either party", for whatever reason. That would probably include some Democratic supporters.

[Think. Again.]

100. Isn't 'Pew Research'...

...run by that Frank Lutz guy who publicly promised bush Jr. the election years ago?

Or am I confusing that with the ES&S voting machine president who publicly promised bush Jr the election years ago?

[muriel_volestrangler]

103. No connection with Lutz that I know of

They've been polling since 2004; they tend towards social policy, and religion especially.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pew_Research_Center

Pew money came from oil, especially in the 1st half of last century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pew_Charitable_Trusts

I don't really see a connection between a polling company/a Republican pollster and a voting machine company's president, so I've no idea why you've brought him (whatever his name is) up.

[Think. Again.]

106. I just remember both...

...a large pollster AND the ES&S brothers publicly "promising" (literally promising) the election to bush jr., that's the obvious connection I mentioned, see it now? Both promised bush jr. the election? That's called "a connection".

And it was Frank Newport of Gallup polls that I'm thinking of.

[muriel_volestrangler]

110. No, that's not really a "connection".

Do you bring up ES&S every time a poll is mentioned? Or, every time a poll is mentioned, a pollster named Frank? If not, why this time? Why is this more connected to a different polling company, or to an election machine company, than all the other polls there have been in 20 (or 24?) years?

Anyway, since you've now remembered that it wasn't Pew, you can see there's no connection.

[Think. Again.]

111. oh my goodness...

...the obvious connection is that they both publicly promised bush jr. the election, as I mentioned twice.

Get some rest.

[muriel_volestrangler]

112. Please do not tell me to "get some rest". It's rude.

The thing is, this thread is about a Pew poll, in 2023. You think you're remembering something from 20 or 24 years ago, apparently about a different polling company, and about a company in a completely different line of work. Hence: no connection.

Seriously, is this something you bring up regularly when someone mentions polls?

[Think. Again.]

113. ooookaaaay.

[muriel_volestrangler]

114. Will you answer my question, please?

After your rudeness, it would be a simple thing to do, to show you're discussing in good faith.

By the way, the election machine firm whose head committed to deliver Ohio for Bush was Diebold, not ES&S.

One such Republican pocket is Upper Arlington, the Columbus suburb that is home to Walden “Wally” O’Dell, the chairman of the board and chief executive of Diebold. For years, O’Dell has given generously to Republican candidates. Last September, he held a packed $1,000-per-head GOP fundraiser at his 10,800-square-foot mansion. He has been feted as a guest at President Bush’s Texas ranch, joining a cadre of “Pioneers and Rangers” who have pledged to raise more than $100,000 for the Bush reelection campaign. Most memorably, O’Dell last fall penned a letter pledging his commitment “to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President.”

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/03/diebolds-political-machine/

[Think. Again.]

115. Sure....

No, I do not bring up 'this', or any given topic, regularly when someone mentions polls.

[muriel_volestrangler]

116. In that case, why did you bring it up now?

Knowing that might explain why you thought there was a connection.

[Think. Again.]

117. You seem to be very confused...

I wish you well.

[muriel_volestrangler]

118. Are you congratulating yourself on confusing me?

You brought up ES&S (wrong), Frank Lutz (wrong), and then said you had meant Gallup, not Pew. After all your incorrect facts, which have done nothing at all to advance the conversation on the Pew poll or Harper's take on it, it's not surprising if the person bothering to read your posts is confused. I am certainly confused about your purpose in posting in this thread.

You also could have thanked me for pointing out to you the Republican/Democratic 42/30 poll result, but instead you thanked someone else who repeated it later.

[NotHardly]

63. I call bullshit on them and their poll ... pure shite and piles of it.

[lastlib]

79. The central problem with this poll question is...

the GQP doesn't HAVE a platform! They wrote NO platform in 2020, merely proclaimed that their "platform" was whatever bullshit came out of Scared Puppy's mouth/anal orifice. So the entire poll falls on logic alone (not that MAGAt repuglikans ever bought into logic.....)

[Dulcinea]

96. Their only platform is what their wealthy donors want.

They don't want to pay taxes & let the unwashed masses squabble while they rob them blind.

[marble falls]

2. Not if Democrats vote like the solid majority we are.

[Irish_Dem]

5. It is totally up to We The People to save this country.

To save democracy or let us plunge into autocracy.

I guess in a democracy you can vote democracy out.

[NowISeetheLight]

6. Economics

I'd also guess the 40% who favor RepubQcans on economics are not educated on how they want to end Social Security and the effect their tax cuts had on the debt, deficit and the widening wealth gap. Push the elderly into total poverty.

[TexasBushwhacker]

22. That's what I was thinking

In fact, all those topics - economics, criminal justice and foreign policy - are all things that you would have to go out of your way to educate yourself. You can't depend on sound bites from Fox News.

[MyNameIsJonas]

7. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans view gas prices/inflation as the economy.

[RKP5637]

11. And now DeSantis is spreading lies he can immediately cut gas prices to $2/gal if president.

This guy is so full of BS it's a wonder he can walk!

[MyNameIsJonas]

18. And people will believe it because they believe Biden has control over gas prices.

[RKP5637]

26. The ignorance in the US is often appalling! n/t

[a kennedy]

45. and i'm damn sure that's why the orange piece of shit was voted in. Complete and total ignorance.

🤬 🤬 🤬

[reACTIONary]

21. Yep +10

[MyNameIsJonas]

94. It's been like that for years.

If you look back at Bush's approval, it really started going south when gas prices began climbing in 2005. It's just a shitty cycle. When gas prices started going down last year, Biden's approval rebounded.

If they go down this winter, I expect his approval will go up.

[rso]

8. RS0

Polls conducted on the National level are not pertinent given our EC system. It will again come down to the 7 or 8 battleground States where Biden and democrats are winning.

[Botany]

9. Oh please what a load of codswallop

[RKP5637]

13. What a great word! I totally love it!!! n/t

[maspaha]

40. Thank you!

This IS a word I’ve been needing. I’ll be using it.

[Botany]

67. Across the board majority of Americans support the

. ..policies which the democrats back. This not a scientific
Poll based on good sampling and well crafted questions but a tool to push a political agenda.

[intheflow]

105. FFS, if you're making a "Word of the Day" post, how about spelling all the words correctly?

(Not you, Botany. Whoever made the meme.) It's SPEECH, not "speach."

[efhmc]

10. Whatever.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

15. Logic Finds...findings and opinions on polls not linked to are not worthy of posting!

[Torchlight]

64. Can you describe for us your train of logic leading you that conclusion?

Would be 'worthy of posting,' no?

[LiberalFighter]

12. Are the polls conducted state by state or just nationally?

[BComplex]

17. Doesn't matter to the pollsters: they're going to favor republicans NO MATTER WHAT

Count on it.

[reACTIONary]

36. Here is the information from the actual poll....

Pew Research Center conducted this study to better understand Americans’ views of the problems facing the country, Joe Biden’s job performance and more. For this analysis, we surveyed 5,115 adults from June 5-11, 2023. Everyone who took part in this survey is a member of the Center’s American Trends Panel (ATP), an online survey panel that is recruited through national, random sampling of residential addresses. This way nearly all U.S. adults have a chance of selection. The survey is weighted to be representative of the U.S. adult population by gender, race, ethnicity, partisan affiliation, education and other categories.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-health-costs-partisan-cooperation-among-the-nations-top-problems

QUESTIONS

METHODOLOGY

[muriel_volestrangler]

73. Thanks for finding that, though Harper's express it unusually

It seems their "Percentage by which U.S. adults are more likely to agree" is caculated in an unusual way. From the June poll:
Economic policy:
Republican strongly/somewhat agree 42%
Democratic strongly/somewhat agree 30%

So Harper's says "42 / 30 = 1.4 ; therefore people are 40% more likely to agree with Republicans"
Similarly, crime policy is 40 / 30 = 1.33; so "33% more likely" ; and foreign policy is 37 /33 = 1.12, so "12% more likely".

It's an odd way of expressing it. The difference between 37 and 33 is only just outside the poll's margin of error, for instance (1.7% for each figure).

[reACTIONary]

82. Exactly right! Basically, its click bait...

... and if I understand Harper's POV, it's their own readership they are baiting.

[chowder66]

16. Did they interview the rich, the white and the uninformed?

[orangecrush]

20. My poll

Is the popular vote of the last Presidential election.

[Chainfire]

23. Donald Trump should be the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party.

You could not design a more vulnerable opposing candidate than Trump. If we do not prevail in the next elections we are done, over, kaput; the jocks will have won and the retribution will be devastating. Christian Nationalism consolidate their power and will rule with an iron fist. When they are done, we will look like another South American tin hat dictatorship. When it all collapses, they will hold you responsible.

[BlueIn_W_Pa]

24. Wait, I've had a beer for college football today, but

isn't this good news for us?

Does this mean (R)s don't even get 40% support on anything?

[czarjak]

25. The Three R's of Republicanism...

Recessions. Record deficits. Racism. But, sure, why not vote R?

[appleannie1]

28. Not this 80 year old. I don't watch FOX

[hadEnuf]

29. 24/7/365 right-wing fascist propaganda controlling the airwaves.

They turn absurdity into fact, criminals into saints, fantasy into reality with expert skill. EVERY DAY.

And we have had nothing to stop it or counter it.

And that's why we have such a large portion of the country voting and acting like complete fucking idiots.

[cannabis_flower]

30. Wait, let's state that another way...

Pew Research finds that 60% of Americans are likely to be unfavorable to Republican policies on Economics, 67% on Criminal Justice issues and 88% on Foreign Policy.

Same statistics, just stated another way.

[Demsrule86]

35. How about a link? And I would remind you , the GOP have lost elections since 16...

[reACTIONary]

37. Link to the poll...

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-health-costs-partisan-cooperation-among-the-nations-top-problems/

[mahina]

70. Thank you!

That’s what I was trying to say up thread, but not as well

[LoisB]

31. No one asked THIS American adult. The only "platform" Republicans have is: whatever Putin via

tRump wants.

[Demsrule86]

49. It is a four month old poll with all the fancy BS tricks they use in gettiing the result the person who paid for

the poll wants...

[LoisB]

61. Thank you. I should have looked more closely.

[SouthernDem4ever]

32. Are we sure this poll wasn't from the movie Idiocracy?

Because it sure sounds like it.

[reACTIONary]

39. Yoir poll, sir...

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-health-costs-partisan-cooperation-among-the-nations-top-problems/

[Demsrule86]

33. Another useless poll. Where is the link...

[reACTIONary]

38. Link to the poll...

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-health-costs-partisan-cooperation-among-the-nations-top-problems/

[Kingofalldems]

34. Should we give up?

[Demsrule86]

42. Some seem to think so...but of course if you look at actual elections...we keep winning.

[Think. Again.]

89. Ha! THAT...

...is exactly the reaction the poll writers are hoping for!

[Demsrule86]

41. Another useless poll. Where is the link...

I can't find this poll. Please provide a link.

[reACTIONary]

86. Link to the linl

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218296680#post36

[Pas-de-Calais]

44. Bovine Excretement!!!

[Tree Lady]

46. I think it pretty easy to say who will vote for what

Religious or against abortion or want low taxes: Republican

Freedom for all people and programs to help all people: Democrats

[Demsrule86]

47. This polls is from June 23 2023...I guess we need to post three month old polls now...huh?

Ridiculous! This poll is three months old and the data is actually older than that...the methodology is complete BS...here is a link. I suggest this should be deleted.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/national-problems-methodology/



This quote alone shows you what a bullshit poll this is...anyone remember what happened in Ohio recently on abortion?

[JohnSJ]

55. Would have been nice if the OP had posted a link to the poll. Details are important

[Demsrule86]

74. I looked at it...shitty polls were they get the people from 'addresses (don't say where) and they weight the results

manipulating the results...seriously a bad poll and it date from May 2023

[NCjack]

51. Who were the people polled by TELEPHONE? Those who don't have

smart phones or are not able to program them to screen out annoying pollsters.

[independent think]

52. Pew Poll

I do not believe this poll. If we have a government shut down I’m sure the federal workers in my local community are not going to be thrilled about having their pay check delayed. They have bills just like any other person. Do you think federal workers think this Republican idea is great? That poll is full of it.

[JohnSJ]

53. Link? Posting a poll without a link to the poll so we can see the details of the poll means what?

[reACTIONary]

84. Link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218296680#post36

[liberalla]

54. A poll from the future!! A poll from OCT 2023? Is this a psychic political poll?

As already requested upthread, is there a link?

[relayerbob]

56. So,

60% favor Bidenomics, 2/3 like the criminal justice system,, and an overwhelming majority prefer Dem foreign policy. Now we just need to get them to the polls

[former9thward]

88. Not what it said.

It said people are 40% more likely to support R positions on economics, etc.

[Think. Again.]

90. Excuse my confusion....

...but doesn't that also mean 60% more likely to support D positions on economics, etc?

[NYC Liberal]

92. I think 40% is the difference.

i.e. 70% support the Republican position, 30% support the Democratic position. 40-point gap.

[Think. Again.]

93. Thanks...

...that's a very non-intuitive, and I believe very uncommon, way to present these results.

[muriel_volestrangler]

99. No, it's a proportion, and polls are hardly ever reported that way

To get the "40%" figure for economic policy, it's 42% support Republican policy, 30% support Democratic. 42 is 1.4 times 30, ie 40% more. So Harper's says "people are 40% more likely to support Republican policy".

[former9thward]

107. No.

R support on that issue 42%, D support 30%. 42/30 = 1.4 or 40% more.

[Think. Again.]

108. I see, thank you!...

...so am I right to say that 28% more people don't support either r or D policies on that issue?

[former9thward]

109. Yes, or possibly they don't know or they are not sure.

[Kingofalldems]

58. So most people want to get rid of SS and Medicare?

Don't think so.

[nowforever]

59. Fear, greed and propaganda

These are the tenets of right wing politics. The one thing they are good at is disseminating lies and then incessantly telling those lies. Critical thinking and seeking out contrary views is not one of of the strong suits of the American public. I imagine the GOP will be banging the drum on illegal immigrants, crime, high food and gas prices continually till the next election. Democrats will try and intelligently counter the attacks using logic and facts, which unfortunately is not the best strategy in persuading the brainwashed. The best strategy is to use the same tactics the GOP uses, attacks that are shocking and fear inducing. The motto should be "hit below the belt and hit harder".

[Cha]

60. Right.. we prefer Facist Dickheads who

want to take away our SS & Medicare and any other Rights we have as human beings on this planet.. :Sarcasm thing:

Fuck that "poll".

[mzmolly]

62. Link?

Thanks in advance.

[Recycle_Guru]

65. thanks for not providing a link

would hate for us to dig into the poll and find out what was really asked and of whom

[ificandream]

66. While polls are often bullshit, there's something to remember ...

Economics, criminal justice and foreign policy (and I'll include borders in that) are three bumper sticker issues for Repughs. You hear Fox and the other pieces of right-wing crap media spouting on those things all the time. So whether you believe the poll or not, the fact is those are talking points with Repughs.

[Recycle_Guru]

69. that was old branding--these days, the avg voter sees Dems as more serious and trusted

on foreign policy. I don't buy the results of this poll at all.

[ificandream]

80. I agree. I was just mentioning their talking points.

[Demsrule86]

76. Which hasn't helped them at all to win elections...really since 2017-including specials.

And if New York had got their act together with redistricting, Kevin would be a minority leader.

[mahina]

68. I'm not the best at math, but doesn't that mean most don't??

[muriel_volestrangler]

75. See #73. It means, for instance, 42% prefer Republican economic policy, and 30% Democratic

42 / 30 = 1.40 . So "people are 40% more likely to prefer Republican policy", the way Harper's puts it.

[Snackshack]

71. Will?

They already are.

Why they are not met an every point of assault with the full force of the processes available to do so is confounding.

[IronLionZion]

72. Ask those US adults to tell us what is each of those platforms

and see if they can answer.

[albacore]

78. Sorry to bear bad news... some people don't seem to be able to deal with it.

Of course polls are suspect. Even Pew. But if you think Dems don't face a wall of ignorance and misinformation, you are dreaming.
People want a link...
Here:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/06/21/inflation-health-costs-partisan-cooperation-among-the-nations-top-problems/

[DownriverDem]

83. What repub platform?

trump had no platform in 2016 or 2020. His attacks on Biden are lower than low disgusting.

[albacore]

87. That's my point in posting this at all. What IS the Repub economic platform?

They have caused all the recessions in the last 50 years but one with their cut-taxes and spend, trickle-down economics.
The fact that ANYbody supports their economic (lack of) program is frightening.

[Think. Again.]

91. I think that's ONE of the reasons....

...why this poll, and the way the results are being presented, seem so suspicious to most people here.

Including the way the headline of the post:

Pew Research finds that US adults more likely to favor Republican
..platforms than Democratic platforms on:

implies a heavier preference for r platforms presented in the poll, which is not true.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

95. Complicated issues are lost on small minds

repubs do stupid platitudes better then anybody but if you study the message for even a minute they fall flat

Less taxes...much more complicated then that

Support the troops ....much more complicated then that

lock her up....you get it, not as easy as it said. People watch COPS and they think they know who and why people should be in jail, white collar people and corporations steal billions and pay million or less in fines

Slogans or reality I will take reality, it's more complicated then it appears

[betsuni]

97. Republicans better for the economy, business, public safety and foreign policy --

too many Americans assume this without thinking, almost like a national myth. That should be changing. Wonder how these results compare with past results.

[uponit7771]

101. GOP has better amplification

[Vinca]

102. People need to get their noses out of their phones and see what's really happening.

The economics opinion is especially ridiculous given the statistics about Dem/GOP spending. Maybe everything hinges on the price of a loaf of bread. Gas has been high, too, but we don't set the price for oil, OPEC does, plus some refineries couldn't run this summer because heat caused by climate change shut them down. A good half of the population is dumb as stumps.

[Kid Berwyn]

104. What Republican platform?

Last general election, they didn’t have one — just whatever dip wanted.