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clementine613

(561 posts)
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:28 PM Aug 2023

Rethugs barred from adopting child in MA. Good.


A Massachusetts couple filed a complaint this week against the state’s health secretary and multiple officials in the Department of Children and Families after their application to become foster parents was denied over their stance on LGBTQ people.

Michael and Catherine “Kitty” Burke began the monthslong application process with the DCF to foster or adopt a child in January 2022, according to the complaint. The process involved screenings to gauge the couple’s views on raising children from historically marginalized groups, including LGBTQ children.

A social worker’s report attached to the complaint said the couple was asked how they would feel if a child in their care identified as LGBTQ or struggled with their gender identity. Kitty Burke responded by saying “let’s take the T out of it” and called gender-affirming care “chemical castration,” according to the report. She also said, “I’m going to love you the same,” but that the child “would need to live a chaste life.” Both Kitty and Michael Burke expressed hesitation around using a transgender or nonbinary person’s preferred pronouns, the social worker’s report noted.


Good. Rethugs shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children, where they can fill the kids' minds with their poisonous beliefs.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/massachusetts-couple-denied-foster-care-application-lgbtq-views-compla-rcna99339

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Rethugs barred from adopting child in MA. Good. (Original Post) clementine613 Aug 2023 OP
Wow. I'm glad they showed who they were before they got approved. halfulglas Aug 2023 #1
THEY filed a complaint??? Think. Again. Aug 2023 #2
Probably another case that's being teed up for the supreme Court of the Confederate States maxrandb Aug 2023 #3
Good point... Think. Again. Aug 2023 #4
Massachusetts isn't a confederate state. Let's say no Hortensis Aug 2023 #7
I think you misunderstand me maxrandb Aug 2023 #8
I don't misunderstand tRump when he refers to shit-hole nations, Hortensis Aug 2023 #10
Sorry, but that's bullshit maxrandb Aug 2023 #20
tRump calling areas where blacks live ghettos, hellscapes, Hortensis Aug 2023 #26
You can't really discuss that without context maxrandb Aug 2023 #28
Max, the context is that that menace Gorsuch, for just one, Hortensis Aug 2023 #33
You assume that the political philosophy of the Confederacy is limited to the South maxrandb Aug 2023 #38
Our disagreement is iterminology? What to replace it? Hortensis Aug 2023 #40
Thank you Hortensis. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #42
Yes. WHY is it rampant? Hortensis Aug 2023 #50
That is a really good point. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #51
I don't believe the O P meant literal geographic confederate state but the discriminatorie 2live is 2fly Aug 2023 #22
I understand, 2live. Most conservatives don't think Hortensis Aug 2023 #27
And thank you again. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #43
It doesn't matter if it was the "T". KentuckyWoman Aug 2023 #5
Exactly. roamer65 Aug 2023 #6
Agree, basically the couple is sueing for the right to indoctrinate the poor child. 2live is 2fly Aug 2023 #23
I hope they never have control over a child. That's horrible. yardwork Aug 2023 #9
"a chaste life". WTF is that? Who judges that? Them? Egads. LakeArenal Aug 2023 #11
Thank you, Massachusetts state. republianmushroom Aug 2023 #12
Meet Mr and Mrs Bigot MagickMuffin Aug 2023 #13
What a sMug shot of the loving-but couple. thatcrowwoman Aug 2023 #15
Odds are about 1,000,000:1 Higherarky Aug 2023 #41
Wow, you can tell that from a picture? BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #44
Post removed Post removed Aug 2023 #46
Oh my goodness. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #48
But, wait! BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #49
No one should base assumptions XanaDUer2 Aug 2023 #52
Yeah, I guess the poster doesn't like dark haired men? BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #55
Post removed Post removed Aug 2023 #53
Post removed Post removed Aug 2023 #54
Yep. Oneironaut Aug 2023 #60
There are religious agencies, also Warpy Aug 2023 #14
what's the difference? housecat Aug 2023 #18
If they adopted or fostered through a Catholic agency Warpy Aug 2023 #21
I'm asking what is the difference between a republican and a sanctimonious asshole housecat Aug 2023 #39
Oregon woman suing because her foster application was rejected MissB Aug 2023 #16
From the article: Galraedia Aug 2023 #19
Money. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #24
My parents took in a foster boy in our already too small house with too many people. OMGWTF Aug 2023 #37
I believe there is a certain financial benefit (the state foster-care pays) to foster kids, since 2live is 2fly Aug 2023 #25
Keep in mind that this is according to the crazy couple trying to adopt Galraedia Aug 2023 #17
Unfit to parent. Sky Jewels Aug 2023 #29
Every Rethug is unfit to parent clementine613 Aug 2023 #30
True. Sky Jewels Aug 2023 #35
My parents came to this country from England before I was born. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #45
"I'm going to love you the same," but that the child "would need to live a chaste life" BlueWaveNeverEnd Aug 2023 #31
Also being trans has nothing to do with how often you have sex. meadowlander Aug 2023 #61
The thing about the American conservative movement Jimbo S Aug 2023 #32
I applaud this Johnny2X2X Aug 2023 #34
I think all republicans I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2023 #36
Wow. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #47
It was more of a fantasy wish list I_UndergroundPanther Aug 2023 #56
Similar situation happening in Oregon: Sky Jewels Aug 2023 #57
"The CHILD would need to lead a chaste life." Well gee Kitty, when Maru Kitteh Aug 2023 #58
Religious fruitcakes should be banned from adopting. Oneironaut Aug 2023 #59

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
1. Wow. I'm glad they showed who they were before they got approved.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:40 PM
Aug 2023

It's terrible enough when nonbinary children are made to feel badly about themselves by their birth parents but for the power of the state to hand over the care of children to these bigots is scary. Children should be allowed to be who they are. That kind of language by the foster parent applicant about loving them "the same but" is creepy. Love is love not but.

maxrandb

(15,366 posts)
3. Probably another case that's being teed up for the supreme Court of the Confederate States
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:52 PM
Aug 2023

Look for Focus on the fundy Family, or Alliance Defending Fascism to fast track this case to Biff, Conservabot and the Handmaiden.

Their religious freedom allows them to torture an LGBTQ child.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Massachusetts isn't a confederate state. Let's say no
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 05:00 PM
Aug 2023

to geographic smears and admit that every state -- including YOURS -- has millions of people with extremist views, including this couple's type.

Widespread extremism and hatemongering are what is endangering all of us these days, not the different beliefs that are protected by our constitution. Screening of adoptive parents to rule out future tragedies is nothing new, btw.

maxrandb

(15,366 posts)
8. I think you misunderstand me
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 05:15 PM
Aug 2023

I think that this could simply be another case that is being set-up to eventually end up at the Supreme Court.

With the addition of the 3 Donnie Dipshit appointees, it creates a majority of judges whose political ideology reflects the ideology of the Confederacy. That "ideology" was not limited to the South, but the South did fight a war to make their ideology supreme.

There have been case after case that have been filed with the goal of reaching the new majority on the court. Abortion, Voting Rights, LGBTQ protections, minority rights have all been decimated by this court.

These cases that are used to take away rights of Americans do NOT "accidentally" end up at the new 6-3 majority Supreme Court of the Confederacy. It's a plan.

I am suggesting that this case may be part of that plan.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. I don't misunderstand tRump when he refers to shit-hole nations,
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 05:22 PM
Aug 2023

and I don't misunderstand the repeated pretenses of some that all the extremist problems of this country come from the people of the southern states, separating out a block of Americans to revile and attack.

"Confederate States of the Supreme Court" can't even be called a dog whistle. There's nothing subtle about it.

And nothing accurate. Most of the SCOTUS justices are from NE states, btw, they're overwhelmingly educated in prestigious universities in northern and NE states, and they're overwhelmingly Catholic.

maxrandb

(15,366 posts)
20. Sorry, but that's bullshit
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 07:03 PM
Aug 2023

Not "northern" New England state is banning the teaching of African American history.

No New England state is banning reproductive medical care.

No New England state is shipping undocumented Eastern European immigrants to Florida and Texas.

No New England or northern state are expelling African American state legislators from the legislative body, or firing African American "elected" district attorneys.

No New England or northern state are approving disgusting, racist, homophobic cartoons from Prager U for use in public schools.

There are racist and fascist Dipshits all over the "north", just as there are in the south.

The racist, fascist Dipshits in the south are running the fucking place.

If that "offends" you, I suggest you vote them the Fuck out.

The representatives are simply that...REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE THAT CHOSE THEM AS REPRESENTATIVES.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. tRump calling areas where blacks live ghettos, hellscapes,
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 08:09 PM
Aug 2023

and centers of "American carnage" is BS. I feel sure whenever people on other forums refer to the "the Elders of Zion" ideology affecting SCOTUS everyone here would agree there were much better terms than "BS" for that. As they would discussion of "socialist woke courts" that turned whole states into welfare hells, etc, etc.

Pseudointellectualizing these terms doesn't. We all know what they mean, no one needs to grab a dictionary. Eagerness to despise whole groups is found everywhere because individuals prone to it are everywhere.

Facts are that the confederacy existed from 1861-65, ending nearly 160 years ago. Not only were most Americans living in the south now born well over a century later, in the 1860s most of their ancestors were living in other areas of the planet.

Not a fact: That bigots in your state and courts are somehow afflicted with Confederate disease.

Speaking of geographic bigotry, over half of America's black citizens live in the south, and it's the region with BY FAR the highest percentages of black people. Wherever they are they're constant targets of all kinds of vilification. Something to remember next time someone refers to "Confederate States" as if somehow Pennsylvania voters and justices from NY caught a cultural disease from southerners.

maxrandb

(15,366 posts)
28. You can't really discuss that without context
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 10:02 PM
Aug 2023

Last edited Thu Aug 17, 2023, 10:45 PM - Edit history (1)

The only way that argument works is if you buy that "both sides are the same". As if there is no difference in the philosophies, beliefs and values of the Democratic Party and those of the Retrumplican Party.

That is bullshit.

The argument seems to be; "oh, the justices chosen by a President Hillary Clinton would be just as bad as those chosen by Donnie Dipshit".

You can find racist, fascist asshats all over Pennsylvania, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, etc.

What you won't find, at least for the past 40 years, are any of those in leadership positions of the Democratic Party.

Your screed is the worst example of both siderism, and it explains why there are enough Americans declaring both sides are the same, and it also helps Retrumplicans win electoral victories.

If both sides are the same. If both sides are equally evil, then why even have a Democratic Underground?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. Max, the context is that that menace Gorsuch, for just one,
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 10:31 AM
Aug 2023

is from Colorado and Maryland, was raised Catholic and converted to another conservative establishment religion, was educated at Georgetown Prep, Columbia, Harvard, and Oxford and then proceeded along the same elite white male NY/DC-SCOTUS path that most conservative justices took.

There are two southerners on the court. The newest is peculiarly from Louisiana, not NY, true, but the "evil" was in full bloom long before her arrival.

Now, Clarence Thomas, born and raised in coastal GA, a confederate state for 4 years, is the obvious current source of the evil you mention to point to, even if it also predated him by a couple of centuries. But of course, "there be dragons!," and I am NOT advocating anyone do that. To avoid being buried under criticism, one would have to hedge around claiming a black man infused the court with the "evils" of the Confederacy, adding so many caveats that one might run the risk of ending up sounding like an apologist for southern evil instead. And, of course someone (like me), might point out Thomas's well documented black nationalist extremism, toxic as it is, is not exactly typical of the mythical Confederate State ideology supposedly infusing the court.

Perhaps those looking for a geographic region to focus hostility on might consider the northeastern Ivy Leagues states instead. But if that doesn't appeal, geography hardly provides the only subgroup to assign blame for our situation. There are well established pseudointellectual arguments for almost any. Women, especially, have long been considered the source of evil in many cultures, for just one instance among many. Blaming "the bourgeousie" for anything always has a ready little constituency.

I'm afraid I do consider humans the source of all that's both good and bad, both found planetwide wherever people are, including those of us outside our south. I suppose an argument could be made for blaming male humans since they really are by far more culpable, notably during our short history. But I'm not inclined to that sort of thing.

It's of course a waste of time expecting any arguments, designed to exonerate and focus blame away from all culpable onto a subgroup, to be honest, given the flaws in the exercise itself. But, warning given that deviating from reality leaves arguments open to rebuttal.

(Just in case anyone comes away from this thinking we should nuke or eject NY state as the node of evil, btw, I should mention that is NOT what I intended to get across. Its outsized, seeming contributions to the extremist wing of the current high court notwithstanding.)

maxrandb

(15,366 posts)
38. You assume that the political philosophy of the Confederacy is limited to the South
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 01:15 PM
Aug 2023

I argue that you will find that racist, fascist, authoritarian "my way, right or wrong", "try that in a small town" philosophy everywhere.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Our disagreement is iterminology? What to replace it?
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 02:35 PM
Aug 2023

Although I couldn't follow the rationale of "the Supreme Court of the

Confederate States," maybe "the Supreme Court of the Federalist Society" would serve. So many of the toxic influences of these justices, also including RW political corruption and the previously slow-rolling attempt at RW authoritarian takeover of the United States, are encapsulated in that term. Religious dominionism also, though it's likely there more to pump the pedals than control the direction -- if it can be controlled of course.

On that alarming thought, have a nice day.

THE THIRD FEDERALIST SOCIETY: Within the Federalist Society, is an operation funded by dark money and designed to remake our judiciary on behalf of a distinct group of very wealthy anonymous funders. ... This Federalist Society is the nerve center for a complicated apparatus that does not care much about conservative principles like judicial restraint, or originalism, or textualism. This Federalist Society is the vehicle for powerful interests, which seek not to simply “reorder” the judiciary, but to acquire control of the judiciary to benefit their interests. This third Federalist Society understands the fundamental power of the federal judiciary to rig the system in favor of its donor interests — and as the Kavanaugh confirmation so clearly illustrated, it is willing to go to drastic lengths to secure that power.~ Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. Yes. WHY is it rampant?
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 03:13 PM
Aug 2023

Prejudice by definition never makes sense and geographic prejudice by definition always includes bashing everyone there, including Democrats in whole states.

I think if we knew who was promoting it, that might make sense.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
51. That is a really good point.
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 03:14 PM
Aug 2023

I always assumed it was just ignorance, but I think you’re on to something there.

2live is 2fly

(336 posts)
22. I don't believe the O P meant literal geographic confederate state but the discriminatorie
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 07:50 PM
Aug 2023

boundaries that might exist within ones own mind. Consider the many civil war stories of how brother went against brother, surely one of these brothers belonged to a confederate state regardless of the geographic place where they both lived. The confederate state happened to be his state of mind.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. I understand, 2live. Most conservatives don't think
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 08:28 PM
Aug 2023

Democrats and school systems literally "groom" and "sexually traffic" abuse children either. It'd be a responsible contribution to the nation if they refused to tolerate talk that encourages societal divisions and toxic notions.

A couple of things that are literally true: Most SCOTUS justices were educated in elite institutions located in NE and MW states, none are Southern Baptists, and none have ever been evangelicals.

KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
5. It doesn't matter if it was the "T".
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 04:55 PM
Aug 2023

These people made it clear their support for a child would be conditional, and there is a potential for rejection. No adopted child should be placed in a potentially abusive home.

The couple should lose and DCF should file a countersuit to reclaim the legal costs.

thatcrowwoman

(1,229 posts)
15. What a sMug shot of the loving-but couple.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 06:13 PM
Aug 2023

Meow. (Sorry, mama. But not very. That’s on me.)
🕊thatcrowwoman

Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #44)

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
49. But, wait!
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 03:08 PM
Aug 2023

You didn’t tell me how you could tell he’s an abusive man.

Do you work for law enforcement?

Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #49)

Response to Post removed (Reply #53)

Warpy

(111,385 posts)
14. There are religious agencies, also
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 06:04 PM
Aug 2023

but I agree these would be toxic parents to any child who wasn't perfect.

Somebody needs to take them aside and let them know they weren't rejected for being GOP. They were rejected because they're sanctimonious assholes.

Warpy

(111,385 posts)
21. If they adopted or fostered through a Catholic agency
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 07:45 PM
Aug 2023

they'd be approved to make a kid who wasn't perfect according to their religion pure hell.

That's the difference.

Public agencies wouldn't give them the chance.

Galraedia

(5,027 posts)
19. From the article:
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 06:47 PM
Aug 2023
Jessica Bates, 41, of Vale, a single mother of five children, said she was rejected as a potential Oregon foster parent because her religious beliefs wouldn't allow her to follow a state rule that requires her to "respect, accept and support" the sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression of a potential LGBTQ+ child


Question. Why is a single mother of 5 children trying to become a foster parent to more children? Something tells me her religious beliefs were the least of their concerns.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
24. Money.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 08:03 PM
Aug 2023

For each foster child, the state pays a stipend to the foster parents.

Most foster parents foster children for all the good reasons, but I suspect that this woman is in it for the money.

OMGWTF

(3,980 posts)
37. My parents took in a foster boy in our already too small house with too many people.
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 12:02 PM
Aug 2023

They were meaner to him than they were to their own kids and literally beat the crap out of him. It was all about the money. Fking assholes.

2live is 2fly

(336 posts)
25. I believe there is a certain financial benefit (the state foster-care pays) to foster kids, since
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 08:06 PM
Aug 2023

she's sitting home watching her own for free may as well be getting payed. Now thats just my opinion, I could be completely 100% wrong (or 98%). My wife was raised in foster care. The older couple that raised her owned a truck farm of 5-acres. That kinda speaks for itself.

Galraedia

(5,027 posts)
17. Keep in mind that this is according to the crazy couple trying to adopt
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 06:39 PM
Aug 2023

I highly doubt that they were denied because of LGBTQ questions and are just using it as an excuse to attack the LGBTQ community while seeking sympathy by portraying themselves as victims, as this is right in line with what conservatives do.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
45. My parents came to this country from England before I was born.
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 02:59 PM
Aug 2023

They registered as republican simply because the area (in the south) was very Dem then, and they thought the two party system to be important.

They later both became Dems, with dad’s last vote for Obama, and mom’s for Hillary.

So those two republicans raised two gay female daughters, and they taught us the best of values.

So I object to your generalization, and I find it offensive. SMH.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(8,108 posts)
31. "I'm going to love you the same," but that the child "would need to live a chaste life"
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 03:16 AM
Aug 2023

who is she to tell anyone to live a chaste life?

meadowlander

(4,411 posts)
61. Also being trans has nothing to do with how often you have sex.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 05:31 AM
Aug 2023

They wouldn't be asking the child to lead a "chaste" life. They'd be asking them to spend their entire life totally disconnected from their own body all the time.

What loving parent would ever do that to their child? If they can't even grasp the fundamental difference between sexuality and gender identity, why would any sane agency ever risk putting a LGBTQ+ kid in their care?

Jimbo S

(2,960 posts)
32. The thing about the American conservative movement
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 07:20 AM
Aug 2023

is how they all coalesced around Trump in Summer 2016.

After an extended hiatus, I've been lurking recently and notice cracks in the wall. Pro-Trumpers still dominate, but a few have moved on from him and prefer alternatives.

Johnny2X2X

(19,210 posts)
34. I applaud this
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 10:46 AM
Aug 2023

These people expressed that they intended to harm their child if it was a certain way. Anyone who would harm a child is sick and shouldn't be trusted with children, period.

They might as werll have said, "Yes, we will love our child, unless of course it has brown eyes, if it has brown eyes we intend to abuse it."

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
36. I think all republicans
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 11:27 AM
Aug 2023

Should be barred regarding kids,and no kid dragged into church to be indoctrinated until age 18.When they can decide if they want to believe.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
47. Wow.
Fri Aug 18, 2023, 03:05 PM
Aug 2023

So you believe a person’s choice of political party in this country should determine their ability to have children? Really?

How would this work, pray tell? When you go to register to vote, they sterilize you? Please tell me how you would implement this “policy”?

Fascinating.

Is this a progressive value? A value of someone who lives in a free country?

Lmao, my parents didn’t believe in religion, and I asked THEM why we didn’t go to church like other neighbors. So they let me go to church, even took me. When I found I had to dress “like a girl”, I lost interest quickly.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
56. It was more of a fantasy wish list
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 10:49 PM
Aug 2023

I dont know about you,but treating fascists like a legitimate political party definately helped the nazi party get to power.If the nazis were laughed at instead
of tolerated and not allowed to get away with thier rhetoric and hate,and were curbed and checked with public questioning , public rejection of thier beliefs and aggressive counter propaganda maybe they might have not taken power. And I am scared of the future and angry and disgusted with the whole conservative world veiw.

Maru Kitteh

(28,344 posts)
58. "The CHILD would need to lead a chaste life." Well gee Kitty, when
Mon Aug 21, 2023, 11:48 PM
Aug 2023

did you start fucking and just what kind of household are you planning here?




Oneironaut

(5,535 posts)
59. Religious fruitcakes should be banned from adopting.
Tue Aug 22, 2023, 05:11 AM
Aug 2023

They would just immediately abuse the kid anyways, and, probably return them if the kid didn’t want to live by their arbitrary rules.

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