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A Massachusetts couple filed a complaint this week against the states health secretary and multiple officials in the Department of Children and Families after their application to become foster parents was denied over their stance on LGBTQ people.
Michael and Catherine Kitty Burke began the monthslong application process with the DCF to foster or adopt a child in January 2022, according to the complaint. The process involved screenings to gauge the couples views on raising children from historically marginalized groups, including LGBTQ children.
A social workers report attached to the complaint said the couple was asked how they would feel if a child in their care identified as LGBTQ or struggled with their gender identity. Kitty Burke responded by saying lets take the T out of it and called gender-affirming care chemical castration, according to the report. She also said, Im going to love you the same, but that the child would need to live a chaste life. Both Kitty and Michael Burke expressed hesitation around using a transgender or nonbinary persons preferred pronouns, the social workers report noted.
Good. Rethugs shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children, where they can fill the kids' minds with their poisonous beliefs.
Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/massachusetts-couple-denied-foster-care-application-lgbtq-views-compla-rcna99339
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)It's terrible enough when nonbinary children are made to feel badly about themselves by their birth parents but for the power of the state to hand over the care of children to these bigots is scary. Children should be allowed to be who they are. That kind of language by the foster parent applicant about loving them "the same but" is creepy. Love is love not but.
Think. Again.
(8,541 posts)...as though their point of view is somehow defensible ???
maxrandb
(15,366 posts)Look for Focus on the fundy Family, or Alliance Defending Fascism to fast track this case to Biff, Conservabot and the Handmaiden.
Their religious freedom allows them to torture an LGBTQ child.
Think. Again.
(8,541 posts)...it does sound like set-up, doesn't it?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to geographic smears and admit that every state -- including YOURS -- has millions of people with extremist views, including this couple's type.
Widespread extremism and hatemongering are what is endangering all of us these days, not the different beliefs that are protected by our constitution. Screening of adoptive parents to rule out future tragedies is nothing new, btw.
maxrandb
(15,366 posts)I think that this could simply be another case that is being set-up to eventually end up at the Supreme Court.
With the addition of the 3 Donnie Dipshit appointees, it creates a majority of judges whose political ideology reflects the ideology of the Confederacy. That "ideology" was not limited to the South, but the South did fight a war to make their ideology supreme.
There have been case after case that have been filed with the goal of reaching the new majority on the court. Abortion, Voting Rights, LGBTQ protections, minority rights have all been decimated by this court.
These cases that are used to take away rights of Americans do NOT "accidentally" end up at the new 6-3 majority Supreme Court of the Confederacy. It's a plan.
I am suggesting that this case may be part of that plan.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and I don't misunderstand the repeated pretenses of some that all the extremist problems of this country come from the people of the southern states, separating out a block of Americans to revile and attack.
"Confederate States of the Supreme Court" can't even be called a dog whistle. There's nothing subtle about it.
And nothing accurate. Most of the SCOTUS justices are from NE states, btw, they're overwhelmingly educated in prestigious universities in northern and NE states, and they're overwhelmingly Catholic.
maxrandb
(15,366 posts)Not "northern" New England state is banning the teaching of African American history.
No New England state is banning reproductive medical care.
No New England state is shipping undocumented Eastern European immigrants to Florida and Texas.
No New England or northern state are expelling African American state legislators from the legislative body, or firing African American "elected" district attorneys.
No New England or northern state are approving disgusting, racist, homophobic cartoons from Prager U for use in public schools.
There are racist and fascist Dipshits all over the "north", just as there are in the south.
The racist, fascist Dipshits in the south are running the fucking place.
If that "offends" you, I suggest you vote them the Fuck out.
The representatives are simply that...REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE THAT CHOSE THEM AS REPRESENTATIVES.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and centers of "American carnage" is BS. I feel sure whenever people on other forums refer to the "the Elders of Zion" ideology affecting SCOTUS everyone here would agree there were much better terms than "BS" for that. As they would discussion of "socialist woke courts" that turned whole states into welfare hells, etc, etc.
Pseudointellectualizing these terms doesn't. We all know what they mean, no one needs to grab a dictionary. Eagerness to despise whole groups is found everywhere because individuals prone to it are everywhere.
Facts are that the confederacy existed from 1861-65, ending nearly 160 years ago. Not only were most Americans living in the south now born well over a century later, in the 1860s most of their ancestors were living in other areas of the planet.
Not a fact: That bigots in your state and courts are somehow afflicted with Confederate disease.
Speaking of geographic bigotry, over half of America's black citizens live in the south, and it's the region with BY FAR the highest percentages of black people. Wherever they are they're constant targets of all kinds of vilification. Something to remember next time someone refers to "Confederate States" as if somehow Pennsylvania voters and justices from NY caught a cultural disease from southerners.
maxrandb
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The only way that argument works is if you buy that "both sides are the same". As if there is no difference in the philosophies, beliefs and values of the Democratic Party and those of the Retrumplican Party.
That is bullshit.
The argument seems to be; "oh, the justices chosen by a President Hillary Clinton would be just as bad as those chosen by Donnie Dipshit".
You can find racist, fascist asshats all over Pennsylvania, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, etc.
What you won't find, at least for the past 40 years, are any of those in leadership positions of the Democratic Party.
Your screed is the worst example of both siderism, and it explains why there are enough Americans declaring both sides are the same, and it also helps Retrumplicans win electoral victories.
If both sides are the same. If both sides are equally evil, then why even have a Democratic Underground?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is from Colorado and Maryland, was raised Catholic and converted to another conservative establishment religion, was educated at Georgetown Prep, Columbia, Harvard, and Oxford and then proceeded along the same elite white male NY/DC-SCOTUS path that most conservative justices took.
There are two southerners on the court. The newest is peculiarly from Louisiana, not NY, true, but the "evil" was in full bloom long before her arrival.
Now, Clarence Thomas, born and raised in coastal GA, a confederate state for 4 years, is the obvious current source of the evil you mention to point to, even if it also predated him by a couple of centuries. But of course, "there be dragons!," and I am NOT advocating anyone do that. To avoid being buried under criticism, one would have to hedge around claiming a black man infused the court with the "evils" of the Confederacy, adding so many caveats that one might run the risk of ending up sounding like an apologist for southern evil instead. And, of course someone (like me), might point out Thomas's well documented black nationalist extremism, toxic as it is, is not exactly typical of the mythical Confederate State ideology supposedly infusing the court.
Perhaps those looking for a geographic region to focus hostility on might consider the northeastern Ivy Leagues states instead. But if that doesn't appeal, geography hardly provides the only subgroup to assign blame for our situation. There are well established pseudointellectual arguments for almost any. Women, especially, have long been considered the source of evil in many cultures, for just one instance among many. Blaming "the bourgeousie" for anything always has a ready little constituency.
I'm afraid I do consider humans the source of all that's both good and bad, both found planetwide wherever people are, including those of us outside our south. I suppose an argument could be made for blaming male humans since they really are by far more culpable, notably during our short history. But I'm not inclined to that sort of thing.
It's of course a waste of time expecting any arguments, designed to exonerate and focus blame away from all culpable onto a subgroup, to be honest, given the flaws in the exercise itself. But, warning given that deviating from reality leaves arguments open to rebuttal.
(Just in case anyone comes away from this thinking we should nuke or eject NY state as the node of evil, btw, I should mention that is NOT what I intended to get across. Its outsized, seeming contributions to the extremist wing of the current high court notwithstanding.)
maxrandb
(15,366 posts)I argue that you will find that racist, fascist, authoritarian "my way, right or wrong", "try that in a small town" philosophy everywhere.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Although I couldn't follow the rationale of "the Supreme Court of the
Confederate States," maybe "the Supreme Court of the Federalist Society" would serve. So many of the toxic influences of these justices, also including RW political corruption and the previously slow-rolling attempt at RW authoritarian takeover of the United States, are encapsulated in that term. Religious dominionism also, though it's likely there more to pump the pedals than control the direction -- if it can be controlled of course.
On that alarming thought, have a nice day.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Geographic prejudice is rampant here, and it makes no sense whatsoever.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Prejudice by definition never makes sense and geographic prejudice by definition always includes bashing everyone there, including Democrats in whole states.
I think if we knew who was promoting it, that might make sense.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I always assumed it was just ignorance, but I think youre on to something there.
2live is 2fly
(336 posts)boundaries that might exist within ones own mind. Consider the many civil war stories of how brother went against brother, surely one of these brothers belonged to a confederate state regardless of the geographic place where they both lived. The confederate state happened to be his state of mind.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Democrats and school systems literally "groom" and "sexually traffic" abuse children either. It'd be a responsible contribution to the nation if they refused to tolerate talk that encourages societal divisions and toxic notions.
A couple of things that are literally true: Most SCOTUS justices were educated in elite institutions located in NE and MW states, none are Southern Baptists, and none have ever been evangelicals.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Perfect point.
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)These people made it clear their support for a child would be conditional, and there is a potential for rejection. No adopted child should be placed in a potentially abusive home.
The couple should lose and DCF should file a countersuit to reclaim the legal costs.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)The interests of the child are first and foremost.
2live is 2fly
(336 posts)yardwork
(61,729 posts)LakeArenal
(28,861 posts)republianmushroom
(13,763 posts)MagickMuffin
(15,964 posts)thatcrowwoman
(1,229 posts)Meow. (Sorry, mama. But not very. Thats on me.)
🕊thatcrowwoman
Higherarky
(637 posts)he slaps her around on a regular basis
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)What gives it away?
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BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)My picture? We dont usually do pictures here at DU, arky.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)You didnt tell me how you could tell hes an abusive man.
Do you work for law enforcement?
XanaDUer2
(10,776 posts)On how anyone looks.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)No idea.
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Oneironaut
(5,535 posts)Its typical cult behavior.
Warpy
(111,385 posts)but I agree these would be toxic parents to any child who wasn't perfect.
Somebody needs to take them aside and let them know they weren't rejected for being GOP. They were rejected because they're sanctimonious assholes.
housecat
(3,121 posts)Warpy
(111,385 posts)they'd be approved to make a kid who wasn't perfect according to their religion pure hell.
That's the difference.
Public agencies wouldn't give them the chance.
housecat
(3,121 posts)MissB
(15,812 posts)similar sounding case. She also applied to adopt and was denied.
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2023/08/oregon-rejected-foster-application-of-woman-who-didnt-agree-with-lgbtq-child-respect-rule-now-shes-suing.html
Galraedia
(5,027 posts)Question. Why is a single mother of 5 children trying to become a foster parent to more children? Something tells me her religious beliefs were the least of their concerns.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)For each foster child, the state pays a stipend to the foster parents.
Most foster parents foster children for all the good reasons, but I suspect that this woman is in it for the money.
OMGWTF
(3,980 posts)They were meaner to him than they were to their own kids and literally beat the crap out of him. It was all about the money. Fking assholes.
2live is 2fly
(336 posts)she's sitting home watching her own for free may as well be getting payed. Now thats just my opinion, I could be completely 100% wrong (or 98%). My wife was raised in foster care. The older couple that raised her owned a truck farm of 5-acres. That kinda speaks for itself.
Galraedia
(5,027 posts)I highly doubt that they were denied because of LGBTQ questions and are just using it as an excuse to attack the LGBTQ community while seeking sympathy by portraying themselves as victims, as this is right in line with what conservatives do.
Sky Jewels
(7,176 posts)Fuck them.
clementine613
(561 posts)They are racist, misogynistic, transphobes.
Sky Jewels
(7,176 posts)Unfortunately, a lot of them breed like fruit flies, a la Duggar style.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)They registered as republican simply because the area (in the south) was very Dem then, and they thought the two party system to be important.
They later both became Dems, with dads last vote for Obama, and moms for Hillary.
So those two republicans raised two gay female daughters, and they taught us the best of values.
So I object to your generalization, and I find it offensive. SMH.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,108 posts)who is she to tell anyone to live a chaste life?
meadowlander
(4,411 posts)They wouldn't be asking the child to lead a "chaste" life. They'd be asking them to spend their entire life totally disconnected from their own body all the time.
What loving parent would ever do that to their child? If they can't even grasp the fundamental difference between sexuality and gender identity, why would any sane agency ever risk putting a LGBTQ+ kid in their care?
Jimbo S
(2,960 posts)is how they all coalesced around Trump in Summer 2016.
After an extended hiatus, I've been lurking recently and notice cracks in the wall. Pro-Trumpers still dominate, but a few have moved on from him and prefer alternatives.
Johnny2X2X
(19,210 posts)These people expressed that they intended to harm their child if it was a certain way. Anyone who would harm a child is sick and shouldn't be trusted with children, period.
They might as werll have said, "Yes, we will love our child, unless of course it has brown eyes, if it has brown eyes we intend to abuse it."
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Should be barred regarding kids,and no kid dragged into church to be indoctrinated until age 18.When they can decide if they want to believe.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)So you believe a persons choice of political party in this country should determine their ability to have children? Really?
How would this work, pray tell? When you go to register to vote, they sterilize you? Please tell me how you would implement this policy?
Fascinating.
Is this a progressive value? A value of someone who lives in a free country?
Lmao, my parents didnt believe in religion, and I asked THEM why we didnt go to church like other neighbors. So they let me go to church, even took me. When I found I had to dress like a girl, I lost interest quickly.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)I dont know about you,but treating fascists like a legitimate political party definately helped the nazi party get to power.If the nazis were laughed at instead
of tolerated and not allowed to get away with thier rhetoric and hate,and were curbed and checked with public questioning , public rejection of thier beliefs and aggressive counter propaganda maybe they might have not taken power. And I am scared of the future and angry and disgusted with the whole conservative world veiw.
Sky Jewels
(7,176 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)did you start fucking and just what kind of household are you planning here?
Oneironaut
(5,535 posts)They would just immediately abuse the kid anyways, and, probably return them if the kid didnt want to live by their arbitrary rules.