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In a world of Jason Aldeans, be a Kris Kristofferson
From a FB post:
https://www.facebook.com/hamckinney/posts/pfbid02KoKubuwsjA4Lnm2upcA87pauxDhLt3yrVf5BgRcshWFmeT1uqS7Mh1sMFLTzRvvsl
The week after her SNL performance in 1992, Sinéad OConnor was scheduled to perform at a tribute to Bob Dylan. Under the circumstances, most artists would have canceled. She was not most artists. She came, and was booed, loud and long and near universally by the crowd, as soon as she stepped on the stage. She stood at the mic, waiting. Later she would describe how awful it felt, but in the moment, she looked resolute. The organizers sent Kris Kristofferson to get her off stage. Kris, who is a saint in his own right, declined to do so and instead comforted her, whispered encouragement, and stayed by her side until she was able to perform. He is said to have told her Dont let the bastards get you down, and she replied Im not down. And she was not. She was brave and strong and talented and fierce and RIGHT about the Churchs cover ups of abuse. This world burns women like her at the stake. Life wasnt fair to her. We did not deserve her or her gifts, but I am so grateful for what she shared anyway. May she rest in peace, and may we fight the real enemy in her honor.
Kris Kristofferson later wrote a song about that night called Sister Sinéad. I dont love that he refers to her as a little girl, she was a woman, not a child, though it reminds me that even with good intentions we men have to be aware of our role in the patriarchy and minimizing women. I very much like the line some candles flicker and some candles fade/and some burn as true as my sister Sinéad.
I'm singing this song for my sister Sinead
Concerning the god awful mess that she made
When she told them her truth just as hard as she could
Her message profoundly was misunderstood
There's humans entrusted with guarding our gold
And humans in charge of the saving of souls
And humans responded all over the world
Condemning that bald headed brave little girl
And maybe she's crazy and maybe she ain't
But so was Picasso and so were the saints
And she's never been partial to shackles or chains
She's too old for breaking and too young to tame
It's askin' for trouble to stick out your neck
In terms of a target a big silhouette
But some candles flicker and some candles fade
And some burn as true as my sister Sinead
And maybe she's crazy and maybe she ain't
But so was Picasso and so were the saints
And she's never been partial to shackles or chains
She's too old for breaking and too young to tame
twodogsbarking
(10,214 posts)MontanaMama
(23,420 posts)geardaddy
(24,979 posts)He served as helicopter pilot.
Super smart dude.
twodogsbarking
(10,214 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)So many famous folk who are beyond stupid.
He's not one of them.
AZ8theist
(5,655 posts)After she ripped up that picture of the pope.
"Fight the real enemy"
Indeed.
LittleGirl
(8,299 posts)because I'm small in size, but mighty. Just like her.
May she forever rest in peace.
I applauded her ripping the photo of that pope. I realized much later how evil he was after all of the stories of the raping of children became common news. I left the church before that event.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,080 posts)to understand 'American English'.
Needless to say, he was not invited back to the Vatican.
Pope John Paul himself may not have been evil, but the institution he represented had (has) many evil actors.
MLAA
(17,529 posts)soldierant
(7,120 posts)and conservatism seems always to empower evil, be it in the church or the state, John XXIII and JP1 were more like Francis. Both had very short papacies (to some, suspiciously short.) John accomplished Vatican II but didn't live much longer and JP1 didn't live long enough to really accomplish anything. My impression was that neither would have tolerated abuse but I have no hard evidence and certainly could be wrong.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,916 posts)Abigail_Adams
(316 posts)He needed a rhyme for "world" and it's nitpicky to complain about "little girl." It may be a reference to the intense vulnerability she must have felt standing alone at that mic as boos rained down on her, or maybe not, but it's no big deal.
ShazzieB
(16,874 posts)I dot think it minimizes her or women in general. At all.
Murphyb849
(572 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,080 posts)Botany
(70,846 posts)"And maybe she's crazy and maybe she ain't
But so was Picasso and so were the saints
And she's never been partial to shackles or chains
She's too old for breaking and too young to tame"
Sinéad was well aware of the abuses that people suffered
@ the hands of the Catholic Church in Ireland such as "The
Laundry Women of Ireland." Where the Catholic Church kept
"fallen women" as slaves and blamed them for being humans
and not being perfect Catholics and hey if the nuns beat them
or they were turned out as sex slaves or if they died oh well
they bodies could just be buried on the grounds of the church
run prisons called the Magdalene Laundries.
From Wiki:
The Magdalene Laundries in Ireland, also known as Magdalene asylums, were institutions usually run by Roman Catholic orders, which operated from the 18th to the late 20th centuries. They were run ostensibly to house "fallen women", an estimated 30,000 of whom were confined in these institutions in Ireland. In 1993, unmarked graves of 155 women were uncovered in the convent grounds of one of the laundries. This led to media revelations about the operations of the secretive institutions. A formal state apology was issued in 2013, and a £50 million compensation scheme for survivors was set up by the Irish Government. The religious orders which operated the laundries have rejected activist demands that they financially contribute to this programme
littlemissmartypants
(23,121 posts)Sunlight is a strong disinfectant. ❤️
FakeNoose
(33,315 posts)It's a true story that touches on this very subject. Judy Dench plays a middle-aged Irish woman who as a teenager gave birth out-of-wedlock, and the nuns gave or sold her baby to an American couple. It doesn't sound like a happy story, but after looking for most of her life she finds her long-lost son who has grown into a fine young American man. Steve Coogan plays the reporter who helps her search for her son.
The movie is about 10 years old, and it really does have an upbeat narrative. However the truth is that most of the unfortunate young women who gave up their babies to the nuns in Ireland weren't so lucky. I believe the practice stopped in the mid-1960s, so Sinead O'Connor wouldn't have been a victim of the horrid baby-stealing nuns. (It doesn't seem likely.) But perhaps Sinead knew someone who was a victim? One wonders.
Deuxcents
(16,714 posts)We had a couple of very good discussions..some personal and some about the movie as it made an impression on both of us.
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yonder
(9,713 posts)It begins about 2:30 after her worthwhile intro
yardwork
(61,965 posts)He showed her kindness, respect, and strength. What a great moment.
slightlv
(3,030 posts)95 pounds and 4' 9" tall... hubby calls me his "little girl", as do two of my best friends (one male, one female)... it's done in love. Not a misogynistic bone among any of them. Someone said Kris also needed the poetic license, and I agree with that, also.
I missed the SNL episode, although I sure heard about it! I missed her music while she was alive, though I've definitely been hearing it now. I'm sorry I missed it. It could have given me comfort in some bad times I went through.
I feel so deeply for this woman; the troubles she suffered throughout her life. I don't understand her turning from one religion of the "Book" only to turn to another one of the "Book" that was just as misogynistic. I can't help but feel she would have found such power and comfort through her own ancient Celtic Paganism. But maybe she felt that was a step too far away that she just couldn't traverse. We'll never know. I just feel so bad for her, especially to have lost a child as she did. You just don't get over that.
May she rest in peace. But more than that - May she rest in Power.
She will be missed.
Mickju
(1,808 posts)CatWoman
(79,310 posts)Aristus
(66,754 posts)And I'm going to share this.
Music Man
(1,187 posts)Love his music, and he's lived quite the life. Rhodes Scholar, helicopter pilot in the Army, actor, songwriter.
He is the real deal of a country singer, like Willie Nelson. Not an "America is going to shove a boot in your ass" types.
NCjack
(10,280 posts)mahannah
(893 posts)orangecrush
(19,831 posts)thebigidea
(13,169 posts)she tweeted:
I would not agree Kris wasnt toxically masculine. He took full advantage when he got the chance #NoHeroOfMine.
"In case my use of the words took advantage an earlier tweet might be misconstrued I wish to make clear that in no way, shape or form was I in any way sexually assaulted by Kris Kristoffersen. And that the one time we did have sex, it was consensual.
druidity33
(6,465 posts)at the time i thought, she really doesn't want him standing there next to her, does she? Her body language says it all.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)RobinA
(9,951 posts)booed someone for speaking her mind against a very powerful political figure? Talk about clueless.
that would not seem to be a group that would react that way.
mamacita75
(74 posts)I had no idea Kris had written a song about her. Thank you for posting this. I love Kris and Sinead is a legend. Brave, courageous and honest!