She warned us.

[RandySF]

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[brer cat]

1. Yes she did.

[OrlandoDem2]

2. And yet there were some who stayed home and didn't vote or cast their vote for other candidates.

We must always vote Democratic up and down the ballot.

[Claustrum]

7. While what you said is true,

we don't know when we would get a chance to place 3 judges on the supreme court again. It will take a long time to undo the harm that 2016 did.

[treestar]

9. Hillary would have picked the three judges

and not TFG.

[W_HAMILTON]

13. It doesn't fucking matter. People should be voting Democratic each and every fucking time.

From now through the foreseeable future. There's absolutely no fucking reason not to.

[OrlandoDem2]

18. THIS! This post cannot be liked and recommended enough.

[LoisB]

33. Yes indeed! Every time.

[betsuni]

74. +fucking1

[electric_blue68]

88. Absolutely!

[OrlandoDem2]

21. We need 2 seats to flip the SCOTUS, not 3. Clarence Thomas is no spring chicken.

Who knows what may happen to him now that he’s reached his 70s. That’s one potential seat right there.

Keep voting Democratic in every election no matter who the candidate is. That was the MASSIVE MISTAKE of too many people in 2016.

Some of us tried to warn the short sighted people who didn’t vote for Hillary.

[Demsrule86]

84. Two judges would make it 5/4 in our favor. Alito and Thomas are both over 70. And those who

didn't vote for Hillary caused this and anyone who votes third party is voting Republican really-likely Trump.

[calimary]

86. But Thomas is a bitter, vindictive old fuck. He's gonna stick around out of sheer spite.

I read about him that he whined about being tormented by liberals for 40 or 45 years, so he intended payback for another 40-45 years just for the joy of screwing with us.

I'll see your spite and your stupid persecution complex and your many self-flattering entitlement hard-ons and raise you several fuck-you's, you sour worthless old putz.

[Lonestarblue]

28. An Jill Stein, friend of Russia's Putin, played a role in Trump's win.

She had no chance of winning, but people whose beliefs align more closely with those of Democrats voted for her anyway to make a point. And what effing point did they make?!! None whatsoever.

[Claustrum]

40. They made a huge point.

For everyone to lose Roe, affirmative action, and now student loan relief. I am sure there are more to come from this right wing supreme court.

[radical noodle]

57. They made the point that

they would put their own petty grievances before the good of the country.

[FalloutShelter]

3. Absolutely... but

I clearly remember having to talk liberal friends into voting for Al Gore . I was impressing them in 2000 that it was about the SCOTUS! They voted for Effing Nader!

This has been coming for twenty plus years. The answer is plain… MORE DEMOCRATS!

[yardwork]

14. This poisonous "both sides are equally bad" propaganda.

It's caused so much harm to our democracy. As intended.

[Lemon Lyman]

19. Yup

And this was just posted yesterday:

Link to tweet

[yardwork]

20. Same bull shit. I'm so sick of it.

Not your post - I agree with you! Thanks fir posting that example.

[Evolve Dammit]

53. indeed

[sheshe2]

4. She did.

[AkFemDem]

5. Almost 8 years later and

I’m still not ready to forgive Bernie and his disciples.

The magats were always gonna vote the way they voted. It was the treachery of democrats that stings most.

[W_HAMILTON]

15. What especially sucks are hearing some of those disciples bitch and moan about these decisions now.

YOU BROUGHT THEM ABOUT. YOU WERE FUCKING WARNED. Roe is gone, affirmative action is gone, and $20k was just taken away from you by REPUBLICANS that were hockey assisted into the fucking White House by some claiming to be progressive.

Fuck them forever. Every time a decision comes out like this, they should be rightfully scorned and everyone should be reminded how their irresponsible actions directly led to this.

THEY WERE WARNED.

[Nixie]

22. Exactly. Some are even doing the click-bait scolding of

the court and Republicans when it was their ilk that gave them all the power to do exactly what they’re doing. They should be on a massive apology tour and explaining how they screwed at least one generation, probably more. But, no. We get more phony click-bait look at me BS.

It’s just uneffing believable.

[yardwork]

36. And too many Americans don't even understand how it works.

In this thread there's a link to a Twitter feed blaming Biden for not making the Supreme Court vote our way!!!

They're dragging Biden for reminding an interviewer that the president can't tell the Supreme Court what to do.

Too many people want a dictatorship.

[mcar]

59. This

They are all over Twitter right now whining that "Biden promised11!!"

[yardwork]

16. It wasn't just Bernie. In fact, all the socialists I know voted for Hillary in the GE.

I blame the wanna bes. The people who had never been committed to socialism but thought they were being "edgy" by dabbling in it in 2016. The people who took money from "online friends" and set up websites urging Democrats to vote for Trump or third party candidates. I'm sure that most of it was funded by Russian trolls. "She hasn't earned my vote... warmonger... anointed...don't tell me what to do... I'm
not voting with my vagina...I don't have to explain my vote..."

Just a bunch of selfish uninformed sheep who were led around by Putin. Mission accomplished.

[jaxexpat]

24. That's so true it's mind-melting to acknowledge.

[yardwork]

37. It was mind melting at the time, to witness.

[jaxexpat]

67. That may explain why so many, even today, shield their eyes from it.

[yardwork]

68. I'm seeing some sneaking around the edges of the same talking points.

Seeing on DU today some vague reminders of the old talking points.

[RandySF]

90. I've notices it, too.

[betsuni]

75. A pseudo socialism was created, "democratic socialism" given a new definition.

FDR/LBJ's classic liberal Democratic policies became "democratic socialism" -- people were suddenly insisting they were FDR Democrats and democratic socialists. They were told the Democratic Party shifted Right for the last 40 years, same neoliberal economic policies as Republicans, corrupt and immoral, worse than Republicans because they only pretended to care about working/middle classes and fooled people into voting for them with identity politics. If you're a politician known for decades as a socialist and want to run as a Democrat, what do you do? Pretend the true roots of the Democratic Party are actually socialist! Your supporters believe you. Actual socialists are like, What? No!

A supposedly Left media based on this toxic wrong worldview, what a gift to Russian propagandists whose goal was to rile up hate and disgust for the Democratic Party. I still can't get over how many people fell for it. People I knew parroting Russian trolls like they were brainwashed. But I guess Americans were primed already with conspiracy theory culture.

[Nixie]

98. +1000, very well said.

There's a reason a con man like Trump copied all this anti-Democrat propaganda from the non-Democrat.

[Hieronymus Phact]

81. I remind people all the time

After he dropped out: Bernie said to vote for Hillary!

[OrlandoDem2]

23. 100%!

[jaxexpat]

71. That's the cheapest hand the Russians dealt.

I've yet to meet or hear a reputable statement of fact wherein a Sanders supporter ever even considered anything but voting Democratic in 2016. Rumor and innuendo are no replacements for truth. I can understand where it's very possible that the only Democratic POV one might encounter is online where it's a 50% chance that it's a clickbait scheme to plant doubt and confuse facts. The entire deep south is like that. Got to be careful about sources though or the next thing from the rumor mill will be stupid lies of Democrats refusing to vote because Biden's "too old".

2016 happened because there were just too many stupid Republican voters who actually thought Trump was a real person.

[Skittles]

80. thank you

they all make me SICK

[3catwoman3]

6. Whatever some Democrats may have thought of Hillary, the Supreme Court...

…was reason enough to vote for her. Shame on all of them who did not.

(I thought she was fabulous - still do.)

[peggysue2]

8. She certainly tried to warn us!

And she was right about Trump on all points. Too bad a swath of the country turned a deaf ear or bought into the incessant propaganda used against Hillary Clinton from the moment she walked onto the political scene.

The country paid dearly for that mistake.

[inthewind21]

10. But

She doesn't appeal to me! But her emails! But, she wronged Bernie! But, she won't do EVERYTHING I want! Fast forward, OMG HOW DID THIS HAPPEN! While at the same time, Biden DO SOMETHING! , I'm "concerned about Bidens age we should run someone else. DiFi should step down. We need younger candidates. And there's a thread as we speak of the outrage about the SC student loan ruling blaming Biden!

[W_HAMILTON]

11. Yep. Fucking ANYONE AND EVERYONE THAT SHIT ON THIS WOMAN.

ESPECIALLY those on the far left, because they should have fucking known better. I expect that backstabbing bullshit from the right, but for people that claimed to be on the left and claimed to be for helping people and claimed to be progressive and then say they didn't know the fucking difference between Hillary and Trump?

AFTER ROE AND THESE THREE RECENT DECISIONS, CAN YOU TELL THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE NOW, YOU FOOLS?

[inthewind21]

17. What?

Have you not been informed it's all the medias fault, the republicans stole the election and hey while were at it, Garland is sitting on his ass Trump should have been arrested, tried and convicted within a week after J6, Nicole Wallace said so! Biden is too fucking old we should change horses mid race! Speaking of old, while were at it, let's shit can any Dem senator that we think is to old as well! It's makes my GD head want to explode!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. Ms. Hill warned us first. And I can think of at least one person who didn't listen.

[kairos12]

25. Righteous.

[Jakes Progress]

42. To his shame.

But politicians never reflect on their past mistakes.

[ismnotwasm]

26. Yup

Fuck. She sure did.

[Hortensis]

27. Well, I remember when it wasn't uncommon

for people to think it was worthwhile to use their votes to make a personal statement of some sort, like writing in their cat's name. We're not hearing that now.

Since then a lot of people have learned the two choices weren't really "practically the same" at all, but incredibly different, and the reality that for the foreseeable future the only choices will be EITHER Democrats or Republicans.

That's progress, and more people have been joining the struggle to contain and reverse what 2016 unleashed.

That said, speaking of Hillary, don't read her platform in retrospect if you don't want to feel sick at what we lost. Establishing a universal basic income wasn't on it for the first term because she couldn't make it work with so many other big commitments, but she believed it was necessary and doable and wanted to make it happen.

[yardwork]

34. +1

[NotVeryImportant]

30. Let's hope future Democratic candidates don't take voters for-granted.

Nothing is guaranteed, so you have to fight for each and every vote in each and every state to the last minute.

And don't start "reaching out" months from the election day either.

Your election campaign starts the minute you decide to run, you should begin reaching out to the voters from then and onwards.

[yardwork]

32. And if the candidate doesn't "reach out" sufficiently, we destroy our own democracy?

This attitude that the candidate has to "earn my vote" is nonsense. We have political parties. Political power in the United States is exerted through two parties. If we Democrats don't support our party's candidates, the Republicans will certainly win and that party is intent on destroying democracy.

It's not about individual candidates.

[NotVeryImportant]

43. Hey, I didn't write the rules.

If you don't think the Republicans are working their asses off to gain each and every vote 24/7/365 then I don't know what to tell you.

Again, I hope we're learning from our mistakes.

[yardwork]

45. Hillary worked her ass off. If she were the Republican candidate, they would have supported her.

Stop blaming individuals and vote Democratic.

[SYFROYH]

49. The vote-for-me-because-who-else-you-got strategy is also nonsense.

Really it's about GOTV, not alienating left-leaning non-Democrats, and spending a lot of time and money in the rust belt/midwest.

[murielm99]

54. DU shares a lot of the blame.

I can remember being silenced here by members who alerted on my posts. There were mass alerts on anyone who supported Hillary too vigorously, both when she ran against Obama in the primary, and later, when she was the nominee.

I know many people put me on ignore. They mocked Hillary by being disdainful and saying things like, "What do you mean it is 'her turn?' I don't recall ever saying that!

The rust belt? Bluer than blue Illinois is in the rust belt. I have worked hard in a red part of Illinois for my entire life. And look at Michigan's recent turn away from the dark side. Did any left-leaners help with that?

I agree that it is about GOTV and not alienating non-leftist Democrats. Also, I have found that some so-called left-leaners don't know what they are talking about. Try running a conversation with them and you will find they are full of nothing but empty slogans.

I have encountered a lot of left-leaning Democrats since TFG's election win. They call themselves progressives. They have never knocked on a door in their life. They belong to something called "Indivisible" and would like to help us. I know there are some here, reading this post. I would like to know: Where were you BEFORE? WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU BEFORE?

[mcar]

60. I was called a "vagina voter" here

I wore that mantle with pride.

[Nixie]

38. Wrong, and completely distorts the point. The common wisdom

is what has prevailed. Don’t let someone destroy electable candidates with prolonged unwinnable primaries that taint voters into thinking that both sides are the same.

[inthewind21]

39. Let's hope

That people have realized and are crystal clear now that it's up to the PEOPLE to prevent the disaster we have now (created by the people) from becoming much worse. If a candidate doesn't "reach out" soon enough to suit you and THAT is what you are basing your vote on, despite the dumpster fire we are currently living that was lit with a blow torch in 2016, well, I don't know what to tell you.

[NotVeryImportant]

56. Again, I truly hope folks, (read candidates), learn from previous mistakes.

That is all.

[inthewind21]

65. So

You blame the candidates! Of course, because the voters are blameless in EVERYTHING. Because after all, politicians are responsible for the VOTES! Got it.

[Midwestern Democrat]

76. Well, it's not realistic to expect some intellectual Utopia where every single American voter is

completely responsible, informed, engaged, and rational - politicians seeking office have to deal with the electorate that exists, not the one they wished existed.

[Torchlight]

77. I truly hope voters learn from previous mistakes.

But I doubt that will be all.

[liberal_mama]

35. I voted for Bernie in the 2016 and 2020 primaries. I voted for Clinton and Biden in the

general elections. Almost all democrats I know, except 1 person, voted for Hillary in 2016. The one friend I have that voted 3rd party lives in California so her vote really didn't matter much anyway.

I think Hillary's loss had a lot to do with misogyny.

[inthewind21]

41. No

Hillary's loss had to do with DEMS voting 3rd party or not voting at all. And with all due respect, "all the dems I know" are not even a blip on the radar in the sea of millions of voters across this country.

[wnylib]

48. It had a lot to do with relentless attacks on Hillary

that started in Bill's 1992 campaign.

Republicans knew that she was capable and ambitious. They considered her a traitor because: 1) she had switched from the Republican to the Democratic party shortly after college, and 2) she was on the legal team that investigated Richard Nixon during Watergate.

They decided to get vengeance on her, long before she became a candidate.

Also, she stands for everything that they hate.

[SYFROYH]

44. Yep. No one else foresaw a Republican president appointing conservative judges.

GOTV.

[inthewind21]

66. Who could

have predicted that!

[Midwestern Democrat]

95. It's amazing what's considered "Oracle" level insight on this forum

This prediction was about at the level of predicting that the sun will set in the west this evening.

[MineralMan]

46. She did, indeed.

And some people said, "You know, I just don't like her, so I'm voting for Jill Stein."

Hmph!

[mcar]

61. "I want a woman President,

"just not THAT woman."

[MineralMan]

62. Yeah, I heard that one, too.

Well, they got Trump. How did that work out for them?

[barbtries]

47. she sure did.

[AllaN01Bear]

50. the once and true prez.

[patphil]

51. Her "basket full of deplorables" turned out to be dumpsters full of deplorables.

Thousands of full-sized construction dumpsters overflowing with deplorables.

[Evolve Dammit]

52. She was being kind using that language.

[DownriverDem]

55. So did I

I typed the SC and Fed Court picks warning way more than once.

[maxsolomon]

69. I did as well.

didn't take a genius to see what was at stake.

[mcar]

58. She did. And she would have given us 3 sane, impartial jurists

But no, some had to vote "their conscience" because she gave speeches or something.

[Oneironaut]

63. Election night, 2016 was worse than 9/11.

It’s just that the unnecessary deaths weren’t immediate, and, are still occurring.

[Cha]

64. Yes Hillary Did.. and too many didn't

listen.

[Silent Type]

70. Should have listened, but too many Democrats protested because their guy lost in primaries.

Ultimately, that was the difference. Sure Comey, trump lies, Russia, etc., had something to do with it, but we could have countered all that had it not been for the "my guy lost, so screw you, I'm not voting for Clinton" contingent.

[NotVeryImportant]

72. Let's not do revisionist history and/or wild speculation.

I distinctly remember numerous people in the mainstream media, ostensibly on "the left" that stated openly if Bernie won they'd vote the other way or wouldn't vote.

On multiple news networks. Unchallenged.

Let's all pray that our candidates learn from previous mistakes.

[Silent Type]

73. Fact that too many Sanders/Warren supporters voted against Clinton is not revisionist. nt

[betsuni]

78. Ironic going from radical feminist anti-military universal health care hippie mocked for

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saying the country needed more love and kindness as First Lady to a grotesque caricature of corrupt evil warmonger anti-universal health care elitist when running for president in 2016. All the while she's the same Midwestern Methodist liberal do-gooder who's spent her entire career getting progressive things done.

Thank you for all you've done, Hillary.

[NotVeryImportant]

82. Basically.

Let's hope our candidates LEARN from previous mistakes.

[betsuni]

83. What do you mean her husband's agenda, what's that? Corporatist sellout? How?

"Trying to coast in on the women's vote alone" -- how? She never did that.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

85. She's genuis. But really, where did that get us? Not dissing

Just saying there were MANY brave Americans who warned us. Case being 6 brave Dems who introduced brilliant articles of impeachment on Nov 15 2017! Back when Rs in power were literally brushing up their resumes! Back when the devil's approvals were at their lowest.

This is super serious business now ,beyond imaginable.

[Blue Owl]

87. K&R

[electric_blue68]

89. I wasn't here in '16 so I missed all if that. Though it happened some on...

a music site's off-topic political section.

But I remember that very funny, and ultimately very poignant SNL Hillary skit with the woman "Elector".

[BlueMTexpat]

91. I am STILL SOOOOO

ANGRY and SAD!

I don't think that I will EVER get over the 2016 election!

EVER!

[betsuni]

93. Me too.

Important and incredibly interesting and I'll NEVER stop studying or discussing it. Latest personal insult directed at me was that it was my "old bog standard target of ire." But I'm right, dear, my information is correct.

[BlueMTexpat]

94. Indeed!

[bagimin]

92. k& highly recommended

[LetMyPeopleVote]

96. Hillary did try to warn us

Link to tweet

[Nixie]

97. There you go. Her few short words sum it up perfectly.

And that is something that is very real and is playing out right before us as expected.

As opposed to those who were so concerned about people coming to see a popular former First Lady give a speech. And then the free stuff. None of it real, just grandstanding, and look what was thrown away. It’s truly shocking. Two generations of work gone like a fart in the wind.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

99. Not Electing Hillary Clinton Was Our Biggest Mistake

Link to tweet