People keep asking, how to get thru to the reality-denying RWers? How to make them acknowledge

[FSogol]

the seriousness and reality of the Trump crimes?

Not sure I have the answers, but would love to hear the opinion of cult de-programmers.
Why hasn't anyone in the media or tv opinion shows interviewed a cult de-programmer on the Trumpy Cult?
How do we get those folks back into a reality-based worldview?

[Chainfire]

1. I don't bother. Trump is like a religion to his cult, it is all faith based so nothing gets through

[ChoppinBroccoli]

2. My Experience Of Trying Is..........

...........you can't.

I have a good friend who is otherwise very intelligent and thoughtful, but he is a full-blown Trump Cult member. When I tried to appeal to his reasonableness, all I got was the ravings of a lunatic. He said he would vote for Trump even if he was in prison at the time of the election because him going to prison would only be proof of how corrupt the justice system in this country is. He literally told me that Trump is the most persecuted person in the history of this country.

There is literally no amount of evidence that will ever convince them that their cult leader isn't perfect in every way, and that everyone in this country is out to get him, including shadowy forces working behind the scenes that secretly control everything. Just look at that Jordan Klepper video from a while back where he showed people at a Trump rally video of Ivanka admitting under oath that she knew the election wasn't stolen, and the one woman's response was that it wasn't her and she had been cloned. You can't argue with that.

Just look at this case. There are PICTURES. There is VIDEO of his aides moving the boxes literally minutes after he received the call that they were coming to get the documents back. There is testimony of HIS OWN PEOPLE. He's ON TAPE admitting that he's guilty. None of it is enough to convince him that he's guilty. They just clap their hands over their ears, squeeze their eyes shut, and shout, "HILLARY DID IT TOO! BIDEN DID IT TOO! HE'S BEING PERSECUTED!!!"

It's a fool's errand to try to appeal to the common sense of people who have none.

[phylny]

20. Same with the husband of a childhood friend of mine.

I kept telling him, "Read the indictment!" Nope, Hillary Joe Hunter blah blah blah.

[Beachnutt]

3. Fairness doctrine.

[inthewind21]

4. They will "wake up"

ONLY when something catastrophic and life altering happens to THEM. And even then it's 50/50

[yeratowl]

5. probably the only possible method would be...

going full on clockwork orange.
strap 'em into chairs in a theater, toothpicks holding their glazed over eyes open, forcing them to watch hundreds of hours of rachel maddow, thom hartmann, john fugelsang and stephanie miller podcasts while listening to a little bit of the ludwig van.

[live love laugh]

6. ✔️ 😂😂😂😂

[treestar]

7. what would be their Jonestown?

seems cults don't end until they reach their unfortunate crisis.

The leader dying can be it - that SO. Cal. cult about the Hale Bopp comet. Whatever they were saying, the would not go on without him.

[FSogol]

14. This being Trumpy, maybe they can all waddle, lemming-like off a golf course cliff?

Can't happen soon enough, imo.

[treestar]

17. LOL, and he leads in the golf cart

goes off first. I like it!

[Takket]

8. Best thing to do is ignore them. They are violent, ignorant and immoral

You can only hope they get themselves killed before they hurt anyone else. But negotiating with terrorists is a losing proposition.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

9. To what end?

[CentralMass]

10. It is an impossible task.

[617Blue]

11. Ignore. They are all gaslighters. They want you to engage - don't. nt

[Emile]

12. You lock the bastard up, then maybe they'll acknowledge.

If not, who cares!

[FSogol]

13. Another point to add:

I get what everyone is saying about not reaching fanatics. I'm more concerned with the other non-radicalized Republicans.
They still support Trumpy or someone just like him.

20 years ago, they were all strong national defense. Now they are making excuses for a disgraced former President mishandling classified documents or worse. GOP?

We really need professional cult de-programmers to weigh-in. What can be done?

[GenXer47]

15. they've been dominated

Domination is the art of flipping around someone's natural self-preservation reaction to harmful stimuli.
It turns out that with enough repetition, you can train people to beg for abuse.
That has always been the function of Trump's outrageous behavior. And why it must always get more and more outrageous.
37% of Americans are too dumb to understand this, or that they are the victims of it. Write them off. They won't live forever.

[lastlib]

16. My preferred method is dimensional lumber applied to the cranium......

Eventually they might figure it out, but you may wind up with a lot of broken boards.

[Amishman]

18. I question if it is even a good idea to do so

Trump and other rightwing bullshit peddlers give them hope that there is a way to build the rightwing monoculture society they want.

Cutting them loose from the lies won't make them accepting of a moderate to progressive leaning, multicultural society. It might cause them to choose to more violent and radical methods.

Remember, Trump did not create his radical base - they were already there and he simply gave them focus and motivation.

The biggest lie in politics today is that radical change is possible. The electorate overall is short sighted, fickle, apathetic, and afraid of change. Believing that lie might be the only thing that keeps the worst of the fringes from coming fully unhinged.

[BlueIdaho]

19. They are broken.

Cut them out of the herd, starve them out of the media spotlight, and marginalize their opinions. Fuck bothsiderism - they are not worthy of any discussion.