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kentuck

(111,147 posts)
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:04 AM Apr 2023

Kamala Harris would make a great Secretary of State...

...and could increase her chances of being the President if she had that experience, rather than Vice-President, in my opinion.

Tony Blinken should retire from his position and Kamala Harris should be appointed to the post.

Hillary used the position to run for President, and during any other more normal time, she would have easily won.

If the VP has presidential ambitions, that would be her best option, in my opinion.

It would definitely stir up the political pot.

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Kamala Harris would make a great Secretary of State... (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2023 OP
Disagree Sanity Claws Apr 2023 #1
I do not agree. Our political pot is in the midst of Ninga Apr 2023 #2
We can always expect the unexpected. kentuck Apr 2023 #3
I think the other side would use that as a demotion due to inexperience Arthur_Frain Apr 2023 #4
I'd like to see her replaced on the ticket with, perhaps, Jeffries or Klobuchar gulliver Apr 2023 #5
It would have to be her decision... kentuck Apr 2023 #6
If it must be... gulliver Apr 2023 #10
We are not changing the ticket...we might lose. No. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #34
+1 No, not here. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2023 #41
I absolutely disagree...just sound like more media BS. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #35
Personally, I wanted her as AG. In hindsight I REALLY wish she were AG. FoxNewsSucks Apr 2023 #7
I thought that too. I may still think that.... LakeArenal Apr 2023 #8
Agreed. hamsterjill Apr 2023 #78
which other vice president was expected to jump through the hoops of serving in a lesser position bigtree Apr 2023 #9
How many former SoS have been elected as president? MichMan Apr 2023 #11
James Buchanan Retrograde Apr 2023 #23
So not one in the last 165 years......... MichMan Apr 2023 #26
Kamala Harris is a great VP and the idea that she should quit to become AG is ridiculous and Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #52
The OP says nothing about AG. H2O Man Apr 2023 #81
Honestly, that ship is sailed. She should have been appointed AG ecstatic Apr 2023 #12
You mean we need a man-apparently...women Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #53
I get your point, but I'm just looking for solutions. I KNOW KH would have ecstatic Apr 2023 #72
I think she makes a fabulous VP! jrthin Apr 2023 #13
She does, but too much of her work, the vast biggest part past being President of the Senate, is ... marble falls Apr 2023 #15
I think that opinion is right on the money. marble falls Apr 2023 #14
This would blow up in our faces. I also have real doubts she will be able to win an election Celerity Apr 2023 #16
She is an excellent VP mcar Apr 2023 #17
+10000 Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #33
I think she'd make a great Attorney General Polybius Apr 2023 #18
She will remain the vice-presidency...she does a great job. I hate these sort of posts. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #32
I agree that she will remain as a VP Polybius Apr 2023 #36
No, she would be weakened by the perception that she was demoted. It would be humiliating for Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #54
I don't think she has the personality to get elected president Buckeyeblue Apr 2023 #19
She has the same issue all folks from California face...we need rustbelt states to win and there Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #31
Also John Adams and Thomas Jefferson ITAL Apr 2023 #38
Yep. I only went back to 1900. Buckeyeblue Apr 2023 #48
She isn't running for president so we can deal with that in 28. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #56
She has the perfect personality, there's nothing wrong with Kamala Harris as a presidential candidat uponit7771 Apr 2023 #59
No. She's doing her job and doing it well. Some people actually do their jobs without betsuni Apr 2023 #20
If it happened, I wonder if Joe would ask Hillary to be his VP - and would she accept? Talitha Apr 2023 #21
No and no... that would be a terrible idea. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #30
Agree. Much as i love Hillary she is now retired from politics and should remain on an advisory role onetexan Apr 2023 #45
Why even consider Chelsea? she is not a politician and has no experience. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #58
i mean Chelsea for future office when her kids are older. Did i not say that? onetexan Apr 2023 #67
She seems like a fine person. tritsofme Apr 2023 #69
Uhh...nancy pelosi didnt run for office till she was in her 50s. onetexan Apr 2023 #70
Of course not. Duh. betsuni Apr 2023 #51
She is the VP treestar Apr 2023 #22
It's ridiculous. WTF. Why do people think Harris is bad? betsuni Apr 2023 #25
I think she is awesome...love her. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #29
+1, MAGA hates her extra uponit7771 Apr 2023 #57
There's a right-wing movement to have Kamala removed because they don't uponit7771 Apr 2023 #55
First of all why do we have rightie talking points here? Secondly, that is true with any candidate. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #60
The concept of the removal is mostly right driven and left fear that a black woman will scare uponit7771 Apr 2023 #63
I find that completely disgusting. They will destroy anyone they can. We should not help them. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #64
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ... They will make up crap if there isn't any about a person uponit7771 Apr 2023 #65
I strongly disagree LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #24
She is the vice president...that makes no sense. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #27
THIS!!☝️ onetexan Apr 2023 #44
+1 when we vote for the ticket treestar Apr 2023 #84
Joe stepping down in the latter part of his second term wouldn't be all bad Nelliedog Apr 2023 #28
Biden is not stepping down...more rightie talking points. Demsrule86 Apr 2023 #62
The idea that Biden would resign early to make the 2028 primaries easier for Kamala is absurd. tritsofme Apr 2023 #68
To the contrary, it would create a huge backlash. Mr.Bill Apr 2023 #74
It doesn't take much for them to lose their minds, that doesn't make it a good idea. tritsofme Apr 2023 #76
wingnut already said that in 2020 treestar Apr 2023 #85
Madam Vice President Harris is doing a great job LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #37
Read that the Dem powers that be are hoping to Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2023 #39
That would make little sense for anybody. Besides, she is too old. tritsofme Apr 2023 #40
What I read. Because her approvals too low. Not my Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2023 #42
Unfounded speculation by pundits. No one is seriously considering that move. tritsofme Apr 2023 #43
Dem powers that be. But what do they know :). No one Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2023 #46
No one with any "power" is giving serious consideration to doing that. tritsofme Apr 2023 #47
Hmmm Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2023 #50
It is what it is. tritsofme Apr 2023 #66
U make it sound like it can't change even if good people Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2023 #73
As I said, it's an idea that doesn't make any sense. That's why no one is seriously discussing it. tritsofme Apr 2023 #75
Was Dem Strategists and lawmakers. More than once! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2023 #77
No again, that's not who wrote whatever nonsense you read. tritsofme Apr 2023 #83
Why should Blinken should retire from his position ? OnDoutside Apr 2023 #49
Disagree. She is more likely to become President as VP karynnj Apr 2023 #61
She was my first choice as President. hunter Apr 2023 #71
I still think she'd be a great addition to the Supreme Court (n/t) Retrograde Apr 2023 #79
WTAF???? niyad Apr 2023 #80
Kamala Harris would make a great President. She's already a great VP. Hekate Apr 2023 #82
Absolutely not, she has been an excellent VP and will be a wonderful president if she... PunkinPi Apr 2023 #86

Ninga

(8,294 posts)
2. I do not agree. Our political pot is in the midst of
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:23 AM
Apr 2023

volcano type eruptions right now. We need steady and focused leadership and the most important of all, get out the vote.
We are in a state of political fuckery that is spinning toward political annihilation.
While youngsters give some hope, we must do all we can to reach those qualified to vote and moreover help those who are confused by the change by voter laws.
There are too many shocking and serious political threads dangling with no assurance they will be resolved.

Arthur_Frain

(1,876 posts)
4. I think the other side would use that as a demotion due to inexperience
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:28 AM
Apr 2023

The optics are too ready for abuse. It doesn’t matter to their base what the truth really is, just who yells louder (which is always their side).

I don’t want to give them anything to yell about, they’ve got enough.

Besides, seriously? If someone, anyone is still on the fence about who to vote for out of a ticket featuring Biden/Harris vs. tfg or deshithead/anybody, her improved experience as SOS won’t make one whit of difference.

gulliver

(13,225 posts)
5. I'd like to see her replaced on the ticket with, perhaps, Jeffries or Klobuchar
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:28 AM
Apr 2023

They are (to me) just much stronger as politicians than Harris. I'm not sure Secretary of State is right for Harris. Maybe back to the Senate?

kentuck

(111,147 posts)
6. It would have to be her decision...
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:40 AM
Apr 2023

...and what she thinks is best for her political future. Otherwise, God forbid something were to happen that Joe Biden could not finish his term. Perhaps it is not politically correct to talk about such matters?

gulliver

(13,225 posts)
10. If it must be...
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 11:07 AM
Apr 2023

But I definitely think it's politically correct to talk about such matters. The times require it, imo. Things seem to be getting a little too real lately for my taste.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,483 posts)
7. Personally, I wanted her as AG. In hindsight I REALLY wish she were AG.
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:41 AM
Apr 2023

Anyway, I agree with those saying that it would be perceived as a demotion. Definitely the rightwing corporate media would portray it as such.

LakeArenal

(29,000 posts)
8. I thought that too. I may still think that....
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:54 AM
Apr 2023

Harris was never my choice for VP. I spoke against her at the time. I thought she should be AG from the beginning too. Once she became Biden’s choice I quit all negativity towards her.

However, I am not in favor of replacing her on the ticket. I’m really not in favor of replacing either on the ticket. I don’t want to change this highly successful presidency.

hamsterjill

(15,237 posts)
78. Agreed.
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 10:43 PM
Apr 2023

Agree 100%.

I have not been impressed with her as VP. I’m not sure if that is her choice or whether it has been the choice of the administration to keep her less visible. But either way, I see her as a weak player. She’s made some missteps, too, especially over border issues.

That said, it would not “look” right to replace her on the ticket, and yes, I think she would have been much better and probably happier as the AG.

bigtree

(86,177 posts)
9. which other vice president was expected to jump through the hoops of serving in a lesser position
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:58 AM
Apr 2023

...in order to be considered for the presidency immediately post-incumbency?

I'll wait.

It's one thing to say she'd be a good SoS, quite another to brush past the diplomatic work she's already done as VP to suggest she needs a refresher at State before she's presidential material.

Retrograde

(10,216 posts)
23. James Buchanan
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 03:38 PM
Apr 2023

was the last one IIRC. Before that, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Martin van Buren. Herbert Hoover was Secretary of Commerce before he ran.

Demsrule86

(69,046 posts)
52. Kamala Harris is a great VP and the idea that she should quit to become AG is ridiculous and
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 10:01 AM
Apr 2023

insult...truth be told they merely dislike her...the GOP does too you know...She did a great job during the election and continues to serve with distinction...I don't even know why this post is here.

H2O Man

(73,932 posts)
81. The OP says nothing about AG.
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 12:15 AM
Apr 2023

It clearly states "Secretary of State." One might or might not agree with that. However, SoS provides foreign affairs experience that a position such as AG does not. And that is often -- not always -- important to voters.

ecstatic

(32,899 posts)
12. Honestly, that ship is sailed. She should have been appointed AG
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 11:36 AM
Apr 2023

And maybe Corey Booker or Beto should have been VP. I'm only saying that because her profile has been kept so low. When President Obama was president, Biden was often referenced. He was not a behind the scenes VP, so I'm not sure what went wrong this time. Maybe Biden is a control freak or something?

Either way, I don't think Cory Booker would have been as invisible as KH has been. The media and the right wing would have been OBSESSED.

ecstatic

(32,899 posts)
72. I get your point, but I'm just looking for solutions. I KNOW KH would have
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 05:23 PM
Apr 2023

got the job done if she were AG. We needed a woman in that spot to ensure justice was served in a timely fashion. Just my opinion based on what I've witnessed. But again, now that you mention it, I acknowledge the bad optics of choosing a male VP.

marble falls

(58,441 posts)
15. She does, but too much of her work, the vast biggest part past being President of the Senate, is ...
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 12:36 PM
Apr 2023

... just too well unpublicized.

Celerity

(44,254 posts)
16. This would blow up in our faces. I also have real doubts she will be able to win an election
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 12:46 PM
Apr 2023

for the POTUS, so I am truly against her stepping down as VP, as it serves no good purpose and would enrage so many.

Polybius

(15,633 posts)
36. I agree that she will remain as a VP
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:07 PM
Apr 2023

I'm just saying how great she would have been as an Attorney General.

Demsrule86

(69,046 posts)
54. No, she would be weakened by the perception that she was demoted. It would be humiliating for
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 10:06 AM
Apr 2023

her as well. This would mean she would not have the influence that our current SOS has in the world. It is a dangerous time to do something as irrational as this.

Buckeyeblue

(5,519 posts)
19. I don't think she has the personality to get elected president
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 12:57 PM
Apr 2023

I think she has been a very good VP and if she had to step in, she would do a good job as president.

Not many VPs get to be president without the president dying in office. Looking back, only Nixon, Bush and Biden have done it. All the rest became president because president they were serving with died.

Demsrule86

(69,046 posts)
31. She has the same issue all folks from California face...we need rustbelt states to win and there
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 08:00 PM
Apr 2023

is real prejudice against folks from California. But let's wait and see what happens in 28.

Buckeyeblue

(5,519 posts)
48. Yep. I only went back to 1900.
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 06:16 AM
Apr 2023

But even with those 2, it's very few VPs who get elected on their own.

betsuni

(26,093 posts)
20. No. She's doing her job and doing it well. Some people actually do their jobs without
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 01:09 PM
Apr 2023

being on TV and social media all the time instead of doing the not-so-glamorous work.

onetexan

(13,133 posts)
45. Agree. Much as i love Hillary she is now retired from politics and should remain on an advisory role
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 11:50 PM
Apr 2023

Maybe Chelsea once her kids are a bit older.

Demsrule86

(69,046 posts)
58. Why even consider Chelsea? she is not a politician and has no experience.
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 10:09 AM
Apr 2023

Biden has shown how a person with knowledge and experience can govern well. I refuse to contemplate folks who have not served in some capacity in any primary.

tritsofme

(17,540 posts)
69. She seems like a fine person.
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 03:00 PM
Apr 2023

But at 43, she has never held public office, nor shown an inclination to. Aside from her last name, what makes you think she would be a good politician?

onetexan

(13,133 posts)
70. Uhh...nancy pelosi didnt run for office till she was in her 50s.
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 04:38 PM
Apr 2023

What makes you think a person whose never held office can't run for office? Chicken & egg?

Chelsea is a well informed, highly intelligent young person who wld make an excellent leader.

betsuni

(26,093 posts)
25. It's ridiculous. WTF. Why do people think Harris is bad?
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 07:37 PM
Apr 2023

Rule: I don't know anything, but if I don't know about what someone is doing, they aren't doing anything.

uponit7771

(90,407 posts)
55. There's a right-wing movement to have Kamala removed because they don't
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 10:07 AM
Apr 2023

... like black women and there are too many on the left who won't tell them to fuck off

People who aren't going to vote for Kamala Harris don't care if she walked on water everyday, they're not going to vote for her

uponit7771

(90,407 posts)
63. The concept of the removal is mostly right driven and left fear that a black woman will scare
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 10:13 AM
Apr 2023

... white people off.

LetMyPeopleVote

(146,746 posts)
24. I strongly disagree
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 07:36 PM
Apr 2023

This concept makes no sense and would hurt the ticket in 2024. MVP Harris has been doing an amazing job


onetexan

(13,133 posts)
44. THIS!!☝️
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 11:48 PM
Apr 2023

Sorry Kentuck i usually agree with you but not this time.
Blinken is doing a damn fine job as SoS representing the country to the world.

 

Nelliedog

(70 posts)
28. Joe stepping down in the latter part of his second term wouldn't be all bad
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 07:57 PM
Apr 2023

Being POTUS would give Harris a clearer path to the 2028 nomination. Also being in office lets people see her operate and would kill off some of the silly negative caricatures.

Mr.Bill

(24,438 posts)
74. To the contrary, it would create a huge backlash.
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 07:25 PM
Apr 2023

The wingnuts would lose their minds and say it was all planned, etc. Even if Biden was genuinely incapacitated, they would say it was all an act,

tritsofme

(17,540 posts)
76. It doesn't take much for them to lose their minds, that doesn't make it a good idea.
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 07:33 PM
Apr 2023

The only reason President Biden would resign would be if he was unable to fulfill his duties.

He wouldn’t do it in an attempt to snuff out a competitive Democratic primary.

LetMyPeopleVote

(146,746 posts)
37. Madam Vice President Harris is doing a great job
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:12 PM
Apr 2023

Not having Madam Vice President Harris on the ticket in 2024 is a very bad idea


tritsofme

(17,540 posts)
47. No one with any "power" is giving serious consideration to doing that.
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 12:00 AM
Apr 2023

Pundits looking for something goofy to Tweet about? Maybe.

I’m not sure what you read, but it is nonsense.

tritsofme

(17,540 posts)
75. As I said, it's an idea that doesn't make any sense. That's why no one is seriously discussing it.
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 07:29 PM
Apr 2023

Besides which, even if it was ever a good idea, she is simply too old, and like the rest of us, not getting younger.

Sorry the thing you read that one time gave you the incorrect impression that this was actually being considered.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
77. Was Dem Strategists and lawmakers. More than once!
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 10:03 PM
Apr 2023

But it's called party strategizing and most don't want to hear about that.

Carry on !

tritsofme

(17,540 posts)
83. No again, that's not who wrote whatever nonsense you read.
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 05:44 AM
Apr 2023

Nameless sources or pundits looking for clicks. Not anyone who actually matters.

karynnj

(59,533 posts)
61. Disagree. She is more likely to become President as VP
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 10:11 AM
Apr 2023

Hillary was unique. She was seen as a President from the 1990s as First Lady. She narrowly lost the nomination to Obama. Although being Secretary of State added to her resume, it was already long.

With the world in chaos, the career diplomat, Blinken has been doing a quiet behind rhe scenes great job.

hunter

(38,422 posts)
71. She was my first choice as President.
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 05:21 PM
Apr 2023

Sadly, we live in an nation that only elects white guys, except when a competent black guy is elected and all hell breaks loose among the apartheid class.

Fortunately there are white guys like Biden.

Unfortunately there are white guys like Trump.

Hekate

(91,462 posts)
82. Kamala Harris would make a great President. She's already a great VP.
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 03:20 AM
Apr 2023

We need her right where she is, unless Biden want to take a leap and have Stacey Abrams as Veep. (That’s a sardonic joke.) I think Stacey Abrams has a ton of talent and intelligence & I wish her all the best.

But the person Joe Biden picked was my Senator, and she also has a ton of talent and intelligence, and I believe would do splendidly if she had to fill Joe’s shoes — which is after all the function of the VP. She’s being given as much chance as possible to learn and do and travel and speak. She just happens to be needed in the Senate a lot more than usual. Let’s elect more US Senators so she has more breathing room.


PunkinPi

(4,890 posts)
86. Absolutely not, she has been an excellent VP and will be a wonderful president if she...
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 10:20 AM
Apr 2023

chooses to run.

A reminder that when it was announced in 2020 that she would be Joe's running mate, they raised a whopping $26 million in 24 hours. This is absurd and would be a huge unforced error.

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