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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe know what the problem is. "the absurdly easy access to guns."
We know what the problem is
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add1854
underpants
(182,883 posts)The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)It is simply so much easier to kill with a gun. It's rather like the jest concerning a breakfast of ham and eggs: the hen contributed, the hog was committed. A great deal more effort, and far more emotional commitment, is needed to kill someone with a blunt instrument or a knife or your hands than with a gun. For the first, you have to be up close, often literally right in the person's face. You have to keep it up a while, it's never a clean act and seldom a quick one. With a gun in hand, killing takes just a twitch of a finger, with no more than a flash of rage or hate or perceived self-interest at the moment for why the finger twitches.
"This pretense of not knowing what any fool knows has come to dominate political discourse."
Ocelot II
(115,858 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)patphil
(6,212 posts)You need a license, training, a driver test, and insurance to get behind the wheel of a car, but absolute zero requirements to get a gun in several states.
Over 48 thousand people died from gunshot wounds in 2021 in the US.
https://usafacts.org/data/topics/security-safety/crime-and-justice/firearms/firearm-deaths/
That's about 6 thousand more than traffic accidents, and a lot more people use vehicles a whole lot more than people use guns.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/early-estimate-2021-traffic-fatalities
I'm not able to find reliable figures, but death while fishing accounts for a few hundred deaths per year, and those are mostly from the boat sinking or people falling overboard. Guns kill that many people in 2 days.
Damn! We should at least have a background check and a license for a gun. And, I can understand open carry for a fishing rod, but why for a gun?
I know, I'm being absurd, but this national obsession with guns at any cost is way past absurd...it's obscene, and quite deadly.
sanatanadharma
(3,730 posts)American stores sell guns.
American myths sell the desires.
Desire for guns is a sign of madness.
As is said, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity.
More guns, easier to get guns, faster to get guns, bigger guns, unimpeded guns for all, just for the desire, is not solving the problem.
Guns cause madness! That any one possessing a gun is seemingly sane is simply seeing the calm before the storm.
Everyone open carrying a gun (save police-like) is threatening, bullying, broadcasting possible danger; being a sociopath. Period.
Ocelot II
(115,858 posts)Of course there are too many guns that are too easily available to too many people. But we also need to address the question of why so many people want them. Simply cutting off the supply would increase the demand in the short term because it wouldn't make people desire them less; they'd desire them more. But why do people want guns, and not just guns like hunting rifles, but guns that are meant to kill many people very fast? Why do people want multiple guns? What can be done to change that?
We live in a disturbed and unhealthy gun culture, which makes the production and sale of guns profitable. The manufacturers and sellers of guns (and the NRA) wouldn't be prospering without the demand side of the equation. Maybe it comes from the mythology of the Old West, maybe from the American tradition of self-sufficiency and the stress on "manliness" which has turned into toxic masculinity. A real man has lots of guns with which to defend himself and his property from (what?) the evil government? Those "other" people? There's a whole lot of fear tied up in the gun culture disguised as something else, bravado and defiance. We fix all our problems with guns.
Sadly, unless something is done about the demand, the supply will be plentiful to meet it.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)there, just as you say.
Does no one think this is an issue that should be addressed?
sanatanadharma
(3,730 posts)We could only wish every gun bearer could manage the open carrying of a big ego without "pop"-ing off, but alas.
Instead we arm people of various warped personalities, people unable to walk away but instead stand and say, "you talking to me?"
People who shoot first and listen later.
Worse yet are the armed wounded ones, angry with the world, such that near or far we are all targets of their trigger-finger feelings.
*I hear on good authority here that near you need a shotgun, but far favors the AR,AK,1-9 ETC series problem solvers.
Personally, I think we need a better class of kindergarten kids. Mayne some CRT; Conscience Raising Training.
Hay demasiado gente 'hunting' otros.
Shot a dozen times stories of murder with extreme prejudice are a dime a dozen.