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MarineCombatEngineer

(12,619 posts)
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 03:43 PM Feb 2023

Russia Demands U.S. Withdraw 'Soldiers and Equipment' From Ukraine

The Russian Foreign Ministry summoned the U.S. ambassador on Tuesday over what it called “Washington’s expanding involvement” in the war in Ukraine, the Interfax news agency reported.

The Foreign Ministry served a notice to the U.S. Ambassador to Moscow Lynne Tracy, accusing Washington of supplying weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine as well as sharing information on Russia’s military and civilian infrastructure with Kyiv.

“In this regard, the ambassador has been informed of the counter-productivity of the current aggressive U.S. course,” a Foreign Ministry statement said.

The ministry also demanded the U.S. withdraw "soldiers and equipment" from Ukraine — a reference to Western military assistance to the country.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-demands-u-s-withdraw-soldiers-and-equipment-from-ukraine/ar-AA17KVq3?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=84608681e9a4495ea7b7dc4037742b5b

Yeah, good luck with that.
Just what, if anything, will Russia do when Pres. Biden tells them it's not happening and to shut the fuck up.
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Russia Demands U.S. Withdraw 'Soldiers and Equipment' From Ukraine (Original Post) MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 OP
Sure. As soon as they do the same, permanently. chowder66 Feb 2023 #1
+100. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #2
You know Putin doesn't want a war with the USA else he would not have ceased fire into Kyiv. TheBlackAdder Feb 2023 #3
Yep, him and his military leaders are under no illusion MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #4
Mr. Big Talk EYESORE 9001 Feb 2023 #8
Unless his power at home is threatened.... TheRealNorth Feb 2023 #18
FUCK NO! now on to you're bluestarone Feb 2023 #5
Couldn't have said it better myself. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #7
Infographics NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #6
And/or Chinese intervention. tavernier Feb 2023 #9
Agreed NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #11
Going to be interesting to see how China responds. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #17
China has got to be wondering privately why they are backing such a loser, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #21
China is in a bit of a bind lately. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #24
I've seen articles that talk about XI saying he felt duped by Russia. XI believed Poopin when he PortTack Feb 2023 #29
Outside of sending military equipment, I don't see China intervening. TheRealNorth Feb 2023 #19
The Chinese military is huge but untested. Badly needs field experience. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #27
China Will Not Align With Russia, Ma'am, But Swallow It The Magistrate Feb 2023 #20
Yes I just posted that Russia may become a pain in the ass Chinese colony. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #25
Well, that's interesting! tavernier Feb 2023 #28
+100. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #10
I Remember NowISeetheLight Feb 2023 #13
+100. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #22
All Russian war criminals must be held accountable. lpbk2713 Feb 2023 #12
Excuse me........................ Lovie777 Feb 2023 #14
Yep. Ukraine can invite anyone they choose to their country. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #16
After you, Vlad C_U_L8R Feb 2023 #15
You first. tirebiter Feb 2023 #23
As General McAuliffe said at the Battle of the Bulge edhopper Feb 2023 #26
Nuts Dirty Socialist Feb 2023 #30
Fair deal: You get Russians out of Ukraine, and we will remove our weapons. Simple. Chainfire Feb 2023 #31
It's the "required" posturing GP6971 Feb 2023 #32
sure. we'll remove all our troops (0) and all our equipment (0, ukraine owns it now) Takket Feb 2023 #33

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,619 posts)
2. +100.
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 03:53 PM
Feb 2023

I suppose we'll hear more hollow threats and bluster but at this point, no one in the real world takes them seriously.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,619 posts)
4. Yep, him and his military leaders are under no illusion
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 03:57 PM
Feb 2023

of what would happen if they had tried anything against Pres. Biden, or any US president for that matter, Russia's armed forces would cease to exist and there would be world wide outrage, even China would turn against Russia and probably sit out any military action taken against Russia.

EYESORE 9001

(26,078 posts)
8. Mr. Big Talk
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 04:01 PM
Feb 2023

Too chickenshit for that. Gives me hope that he’s not psychotic enough for thermonuclear warfare toe-to-toe with the yankee dogs.

TheRealNorth

(9,514 posts)
18. Unless his power at home is threatened....
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 04:55 PM
Feb 2023

I don't see Putler using nukes. And hopefully, if there was a revolt from within Russia, the generals would take care of him if he wanted to go nuclear.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
6. Infographics
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 03:59 PM
Feb 2023

I’ve been watching YouTube channel “Infographics”. It’s a great channel and they’ve had a lot of videos on Ukraine and the reason Russia is having so many problems. Honestly I find it very believable. Old Cold War equipment, unsupported conscripts, unavailability of parts, corruption, even million dollar mobile systems running out of gas and being abandoned.

Russia is basically a paper tiger. They’re no longer the feared military monster they used to be. Except for nuclear weapons they’re nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/@TheInfographicsShow


tavernier

(12,464 posts)
9. And/or Chinese intervention.
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 04:04 PM
Feb 2023

Let’s hope China is smart enough to stay out of it. They have a lot to lose if they get involved.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
11. Agreed
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 04:07 PM
Feb 2023

China is the real danger. I think they’ll stay out of it. While America depends on China for a lot their whole economy depends on American consumption. China has a lot more to gain siding with the West than Russia.

Irish_Dem

(49,045 posts)
17. Going to be interesting to see how China responds.
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 04:31 PM
Feb 2023

I think they are struggling with a response.

They dream of being a superpower, but are beginning to see it is not as easy as they thought.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,619 posts)
21. China has got to be wondering privately why they are backing such a loser,
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 04:59 PM
Feb 2023

IMO, if Putin had tried anything hostile aimed at Pres. Biden, even China would have withdrawn their support for Putin and would have stayed on the sidelines while the US annihilated the Russian military.

Irish_Dem

(49,045 posts)
24. China is in a bit of a bind lately.
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 05:21 PM
Feb 2023

It seriously plans on becoming a 21st century superpower and allied with Putin who has the same goal.
China would control the east, Putin the west.

They both did quite well destabilizing western democracies. Or so they thought.

But the Chinese economy is tanking and Putin is a Cluster F.
He cannot control the one country he invaded, much less the entire west.
And his invasion strengthened the western allies and NATO.

It is looking like Russia may be a pain in the ass Chinese colony like North Korea.

China is also finding that managing a major economy, integrating capitalism with autocracy, was not as easy as they thought.

And their non existent research lab standards and lax food quality inspection resulted in a global pandemic
which seriously hurt their economy.

Xi is so proud of his dictatorship and truly believes he is able to handle any crises better than a messy democratic process. But what we saw with the Covid situation he laser focused himself into the ground by shutting down China for three years. To the point the Chinese people started to do mass protests which is rare. So a big loss of face for Xi.

China had planned to invade Taiwan after Putin invaded Ukraine. But that is on hold for now.
Not going to be a cake walk like they thought. And financial sanctions worry them a great deal.

I hope Xi is having some sleepless nights.

PortTack

(32,872 posts)
29. I've seen articles that talk about XI saying he felt duped by Russia. XI believed Poopin when he
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 05:45 PM
Feb 2023

Said 3 days.

The Chinese are very patient ppl, but this kind of nonsense didn’t play well.

TheRealNorth

(9,514 posts)
19. Outside of sending military equipment, I don't see China intervening.
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 04:58 PM
Feb 2023

They might want to give some of their new toys to Russia to see how it stands up to the equipment we are giving Ukraine.

Irish_Dem

(49,045 posts)
27. The Chinese military is huge but untested. Badly needs field experience.
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 05:26 PM
Feb 2023

This might be their chance to get that experience.

Yes send in equipment to field test it.

They might send in soldiers, I am not sure what they are going to do.

Putin is claiming US soldiers are present in Ukraine isn't he?
Maybe this is a way to justify Chinese soldiers.?

The Magistrate

(95,285 posts)
20. China Will Not Align With Russia, Ma'am, But Swallow It
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 04:59 PM
Feb 2023

Russia has only held most of Trans-Baikal Siberia since the mid-19th century, and that by virtue of coerced treaty signed by a long defunct dynasty many Chinese regard still as usurpers. Taken with the great disparity in economic weight and population between the two nations, this is a poor background for an alliance. Fertile soil for producing a dependent protectorate, though.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,619 posts)
10. +100.
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 04:05 PM
Feb 2023

Back in the '90's, shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union, I was stationed in Germany and we were tasked with joint training exercises with their "combat engineers", it was a fucking shit show from day 1, the Russian unit we were supposed to be training with would usually not show up, when they did actually show up, they were either drunk, high or hungover, their equipment, what they didn't sell for booze of drugs, was in piss poor shape, their NCO's were very brutal towards their charges and their officers didn't give a fuck as long as it didn't reflect poorly on them.

I've known since then that Russia's military was a joke and 30 years later, I was proven right.

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
13. I Remember
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 04:11 PM
Feb 2023

Hello Marine! I remember the runs from Little Creek to Lejune to pick you guys up! In the mid 80s being on a ship transiting to Istanbul on a Med Cruise (LST Corpsman here). A Soviet destroyer was shadowing us. Scary. Reagan was President. It was a different time. Putin has dreams of restoring the old Soviet Union. Unfortunately for him the greed and corruption of unrestrained capitalism took over in Russia. They’re toast.

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