Do you believe the Biden classified documents were planted ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

92 votes, 7 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Yes
	31 (34%)
	No
	61 (66%)
	7 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[Ocelot II]

1. They were almost certainly taken accidentally.

"According to journalist Matthew Miller, classified documents often get taken from government facilities by accident. Those errors are reported, the documents recovered, and a damage assessment made to determine whether further action needs to be taken, all of which took place here." https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-12-2023

[Cha]

55. TY & HCR nt

[LAS14]

2. Come on! We don't do stupid conspiracy theories. nt

[Dr. Strange]

5. Aw come on!

Why should Q-Anon have all the fun?

[KS Toronado]

31. You gave me a chuckle

[Just A Box Of Rain]

7. Wanna bet? LOL

[edbermac]

22. I was in high school during Watergate.

Maybe he did take them home by accident, but I could totally believe they were planted.

[ripcord]

26. Obviously you haven't been reading this board lately

I wish I had known it was conspiracy theory day on the DU, I would have brought party hats.

[Ms. Toad]

56. Seriously.

I thought sure I'd wandered into the Creative Speculation forum, rather than GD.

[underpants]

3. No. It's beyond far fetched

Consider what it would take to get the first 12 into the UPenn offices and into what we are told was a locked closet.

[wryter2000]

25. And into the garage

With the Corvette.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

4. I don't know, but so far, at this point in time,

there is zero evidence of these docs being planted by anyone, so until there's solid evidence of such, then I'll keep an open mind.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. Nope... Not enough wherewithal to find old docs and

evade SS protection at house?

We must face that TS and classified docs number in the multi-millions. If we could rewind history, would have never said how sacred they are. Would have said that they are everywhere in govt. Everywhere. What's important is what you do when some are found that shouldn't have been left??

[Kaleva]

8. I'll wait till the investigation to be completed as I have no idea at this time.

[rubbersole]

9. No, but the silver lining will be the contrast in following the law.

The rw is going to be on every detail of this story for months. Hair on fire. The sleazy treasonous behavior vs correct innocent adult behavior. On display.

[FakeNoose]

10. Here's the only thing I know for sure:

Joe Biden didn't claim to "declassify" them in his own mind.

He's going to take whatever blame they lay on him, and move on.

[BWdem4life]

11. Sure, why not.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I really don't believe much of anything anymore... Reality has worn me down to a nub.

[EYESORE 9001]

12. You should provide an 'undecided' option

Without more information, I won’t say they were planted, but it’s something I consider possible.

[mountain grammy]

13. Agree!

[GoCubsGo]

14. No, but then again,

I wouldn't put it past the Trump cult to pull something like that. But, I believe this is honest mistakes by Biden and/or others.

[usonian]

15. The mover did it.

Q-HAUL




I HOPE

[Carlitos Brigante]

51. .

[Septua]

15. Based on my understanding of 'normal procedure' for...

..classified documents, I don't understand how Trump or Biden left office with a single document, let alone, numerous documents.

I suppose a President and maybe Vice President are given greater latitude and could be allowed to remove a document from the assigned location but one would think they would still have to sign out a document and be expected to return it at some point. And if someone is in charge of keeping up with the signed out stuff, they would be advising the individual of his overdue library book.

In Biden's case, we're talking about files he allegedly took home 6 years ago. I'm close to Joe's age and can't remember all the details of what I did yesterday. But I would bet, if he was shown the documents, he could explain why he had them in the first place.

But, and I'm assuming here, unlike Trump, he wouldn't have wanted or needed to take documents home after leaving office. As someone else noted, there's not enough information available at the moment to draw any conclusions beyond the files getting inadvertently packed in with other stuff.

[Ms. Toad]

57. Control of most classified documents is not that rigid.

It isn't like they keep a list of every single document classified by every single entity which is permitted to classify docuents, with numbered copies to track.

But Biden almost certainly didn't take documents when he left office. They were likely already in these locations because he needed them in locations other than the White House because being vice president isn't a 9-5 job. Nor it is a discrete task, sequential job task kind of job. He was almost certainly multi-tasking and set aside documents needed for one task when working on another and didn't get them all back where they belonged, and forgot about them.

That's in sharp contrast with Trump who took the documents when he left office because be wanted souveniers, believed they belonged to him, etc., and then when discovered tried to hide them and to avoid returning them.

[Raine]

17. No, that's tinfoil hat thinking

[relayerbob]

18. Not likely, but Biden doesn't trust the Secret Service

It's not outside the realm of possibility with these assholes. But, probably not

[dflprincess]

24. I don't think the ones at the office were planted

But it's not impossible the ones at the house were. And the Secret Service would be my number 1 suspect,

[TreasonousBastard]

19. It's a possibility, but so are aliens.

[SheilaF]

20. I Think

Evidence suggests the document was planted. First, the document was written on a typewriter. Second, the document was found in a file marked "presidential orders." Third, a Secret Service agent claims to have witnessed the document being planted. Fourth, the document was found before the 2016 election. In light of recent developments, I would like to suggest to the readers to watch the following video in which a bobcat attacks a group of coyotes.

[Septua]

21. Where did you find all those details?

[KS Toronado]

32. You forget to add this?

[Dum Aloo]

23. No.

[Patton French]

27. 100 % plant

By the Russians. If you don’t see that, you’re buying into the MSM equivalism.

[Meadowoak]

30. +1

[Scrivener7]

28. Are we STILL putting things past tfg?? People in this thread act as if

that is an impossibility.

This is trump. Any vile thing is possible for him if it gets him off the hook.

I don't think they were, but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

[iemanja]

29. Q says they were planted

It must be so.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Q only said TFG's documents were planted.

[iemanja]

42. The argument is the same

Whether or not Q said it.

[brachism]

33. Hank Johnson (D-Ga) suggests classified documents may have been planted at Biden residence

He's been in Congress over 16 years, winning re-election 8 times. He is certainly more trustable than the talking heads on Fox News or CNN. Believe what you will...

https://wfin.com/fox-political-news/democrat-suggests-classified-docs-in-bidens-home-office-may-have-been-planted-after-second-batch-found/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Johnson

And for the record I'm not suggesting he is right. I'm just saying, food for thought.

[Emile]

35. Do you believe Trump orchestrated an insurrection?

Do you believe Trump raped E. Jean Carroll?

[Just A Box Of Rain]

36. The poll results are an embarrassment.

Not totally unexpected, but embarrassing nonetheless.

[Emile]

37. +1,000

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Why are they an embarrassment?

[Takket]

50. +1

[Johonny]

38. It's not been established one way or the other at this point

But he's not acting like he thinks they're planted so probably not.

[HAB911]

40. My moron wingnut exterminator sez

they were planted, he's being set up by............................the deep state. dum dum dum

[JanMichael]

41. Only if there was a staffer that was secretly a Trumper.

Somebody that they had on the VP staff that was a mole and thought this out years in advance.

I doubt that happened. If it did they're much smarter than I give them credit for.

Personally I think his staff was just f****** sloppy. And now they're finding all the s*** that they couldn't keep track of or didn't read or didn't care that they were putting in a box.

Does anybody know who his VP staff was that boxed up all his stuff after 2016?

[News Junkie]

43. As more locations are discovered it gets harder to believe

Always was an interesting but sketchy theory.

[Jedi Guy]

44. No, because that's kind of a silly thing to believe.

If the documents had been planted, would it not make sense for Biden to assert as much and provide whatever evidence he has? He hasn't done so, though, so either he doesn't believe they were planted or he has no evidence that they were. And he likely has no evidence that they were planted because they weren't.

The far more likely explanation is that the documents were overlooked and were there the entire time until discovered. It was, to put it bluntly, a mistake. Anyone can make a mistake, but how a person responds to a mistake demonstrates their character (or lack thereof). Biden will handle the mistake with dignity and grace, whereas Trump will be himself and I really needn't expand on what that means. Trump's possession of the documents wasn't a mistake in the first place, anyway.

The two situations are apples and oranges.

[BannonsLiver]

45. Apropos of nothing or maybe everything

One of the people who voted yes 🤦🙄😬 has actively promoted the nuttery of Eric Ding on this forum. Rather illuminating, tbh.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Is Eric Ding Q?

[BannonsLiver]

47. No he's a Covid alarmist/profiteer.

[brooklynite]

48. Let me see if I understand the conspiracy theory...

Rogue Secret Service agents were supportive of Donald Trump winning in 2016 and therefore stole documents from Biden's VP office in 2016 in case Biden chose to run against Trump, but then didn't hide them during the campaign which might cause a scandal, but instead hid them during Biden's Administration in the hope that, if Trump got caught in a scandal, someone would search his records and find them?

[ElementaryPenguin]

49. Yes!

There are NEVER any innocent coincidences connected to things impacting Trump!

Things are ALWAYS found to be more sinister than you even suspected when the facts are uncovered!

Just watch!

[Hortensis]

52. Have to consider it's possible. Also, we KNOW RW enemies

are ruthless and unprincipled enough to do things much worse than this and carry out conspiracies much more complex.

We DON'T know yet that people in the Obama-Biden amin were sloppy and careless enough to do this. It'd be pretty damned bad. Classified document markings are not exactly top secret.

[tosh]

53. I have no reason to BELIEVE that,

but if, in the end, there is evidence of that I will not be terribly shocked.

There are no limits to the tactics these rethugs and MAGAts will try.

I mean, GOOD GRIEF, just look at the things we actually know they have attempted.

[moondust]

54. Doubt it.

If they had been planted and "discovered" a few days before the midterms, announcing the "discovery" BEFORE the midterms in hopes of influencing the election would have surely been part of the plan. Not sure why anybody would wait almost two months to tell the press/public.

Upon a thorough search a person could probably still find some classified documents in an office connected to the staff of GWB, Reagan, or even Nixon. The Reagan admin was particularly known for being corrupt.

I can no longer watch the media hype creating this "crisis."

[Ms. Toad]

58. Is Biden, or anyone close to him, suggesting they were planted?

Hmmmmm . . . nope. That should be a big clue that he knows it is possible that papers were misplaced and inadvertently not returned when he left office.