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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho knew that the right had these secret laws already in place on the exact day roevwade overturned?
Why didn't we have some laws in place ready to go as well????
I feel totally unprepared. They are already miles ahead it seems. I mean good lord it's already banned in some places!
Seems like we should have had Federal laws in place years ago ready for this day.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,364 posts)We have seen this tsunami coming for months. Much thanks to Gov Whitmer.
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fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)especially after the leak of the Dobbs draft decision.
Amishman
(5,559 posts)I'm surprised how many people are surprised
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,431 posts)jimfields33
(15,948 posts)Claustrum
(4,846 posts)about deep red/blue states. When you get a majority in state, you can pass any law in that state. In the past 10-20 years, republican took the "I will not work with democrats in any circumstances" stance and getting a bi-partisan bill passed in congress is near impossible.
Solly Mack
(90,785 posts)It was known.
ruet
(10,039 posts)What "what if" laws would you like to have seen enacted by Democrats?
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Novara
(5,851 posts)If you didn't know about them it's because you weren't paying attention. They've been in the news since the draft opinion leaked, even earlier, because the writing was on the wall when the SCOTUS took this case.
lapfog_1
(29,223 posts)or even birth control... the SCOTUS would have simply added to the decision that such laws are unconstitutional.
SCOTUS decided that un-enumerated right to privacy does not exist (at least in the case for abortion, Thomas suggests it doesn't exist for things like contraception and same sex marriage, although he didn't mention "Loving v. Virginia"
Do not pin your hopes that Roe can be restored via federal legislation (even should somehow we get such a law passed in the Senate).
mucifer
(23,565 posts)More specifically, the legislation rescinds prohibitions on some late-term abortions and 45-year-old criminal restraints such as criminal penalties for doctors performing abortions -- all measures whose enforcement had been prohibited by court orders. Sponsors of the Reproductive Health Act warned at the time that its protections would be necessary should the landmark Roe v. Wade decision be overturned.
Pritzker also repealed the Parental Notification Act in 2021, allowing pregnant minors to choose whether or not a legal guardian or family member is involved in their decision. Supports of the move said the repeal "protected the most vulnerable youth - such as victims of rape, incest, and domestic abuse from being compelled to notify their abusers."
Following the latest news of the SCOTUS decision, Pritzker tweeted, "we will fight back."He also called for a special session for reproductive health rights.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/is-abortion-legal-in-illinois-here-are-the-abortion-laws-in-place/2865130/
Politicians in a lot of blue states have been preparing for this.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Ocelot II
(115,836 posts)FBaggins
(26,757 posts)It happened sometime in the late 1960s.
I dont remember anything before that
haele
(12,676 posts)As was pointed out before, anything the Feds could have setup up was dependent on the Senate and nuking the filibuster.
There are too many senators who don't really care or with captured constituents that have and will kill any abortion rights protection on the Federal Level -and have been since Newt "Hypocrisy is my Middle Name" Gingrich and the "Moral Minority" took over the GOP and started their Power at any cost campaign.
2016 was the final stand for Roe. The GOP were just waiting either for Trump's second term cementing the fall of Democracy or to be able to blame the Democrats for it's undoing.
Haele
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)There was nothing secret about it.
Just because you had not heard of something doesnt mean it was secret. This was extremely well known for a long time.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Fescuerescue, we had Roe in place as a federal law. That just changed, but 16 states have laws in place specifically protecting the right to abortion. (Probably 23 others have or will soon make it illegal.) Leaving 11 states.
But, you probably mean federal laws. So why not go learn about the federal laws Biden's talking about when he says he has means to mitigate the effects of repealing Roe? AND the federal laws the DoJ promises to use to fight for the rights of women and in support of its statement that the abortion pill is legal. In the process,
you'll undoubtedly learn about more federal laws in place and ready to use.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts) Fescuerescue, we had Roe in place as a federal law
We need to get congress to start thinking about a federal law
Im glad Biden is talking about it now.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Why not read about what many people are doing many places? You'll feel better about the professionals who've always been committed to protecting and advancing our rights. They've been on it, and are.
I don't know how you'll feel about the electorate if you look that direction; in a real sense, as a whole we got what we deserved and effectively asked for, including many millions who see themselves as civil rights supporters but neglected to walk the walk (i.e., vote every couple years, taking a little care not to take themselves out in the process).
Itm, abortion's still legal in many states.
yardwork
(61,703 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)It has been a topic of discussion for some time.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,895 posts)They've been widely discussed here and elsewhere.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)For instance - a federal law allow abortion in the event that roe v wade is ever struck down.
That would be really nice right now.
onenote
(42,759 posts)and no urgency to override the filibuster as long as Roe was in place?
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)I guess we are just screwed.
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)...and actually prevented all of this.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Or heck Mcgovern.
This nation has made some errors.
brush
(53,851 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 26, 2022, 07:17 PM - Edit history (1)
the American Taliban 6 have handed down their ruling.
SCOTUS decisions are the law of the land and Dobbs v Jackson is all the trigger the Taliban followers were waiting for.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)And take effect if those other laws changed.
Seems the right had them. But just the right.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Given that everyone knew about them.
Shrek
(3,983 posts)But it would have been very tough to pull off given the tight margins in Congress.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)did have laws ready to go. The states that did that in advance of the ruling are CO, NJ, OR and VT. These states have no viability requirement attached to their laws. Other states who passed new/updated laws are CA, CT, IL, ME, MD (Dem General Assembly overrode Governors veto!), MA, NY, RI. It's not like our elected officials are not out here trying to get it done.
Retrograde
(10,156 posts)for the past 4 or 5 years. The anti-women brigade has been slowly taking over state legislatures for a couple of decades now, and either making sure old anti-abortion laws weren't repealed or enacting new ones.
Yes, we should have had Federal laws in place, but we got complacent after a more liberal-leaning court upheld LGBT+ rights, same-sex marriage, some labor protections, some environmental protections. We thought the population wouldn't stand for going backwards. And people who grew up in a world that was trending towards justice for all assumed it always would be that way, and a large number of them decided to sit out local elections.
Voltaire2
(13,155 posts)This was not a secret and had been reported on frequently.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)"Why did Democrats allow/let _____ ?" Federal laws with what supermajority in Congress? And no, the Obama administration couldn't do anything it wanted for two years, it had 60 votes in the senate for four months and ten days.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Would have been a good time.
onenote
(42,759 posts)The only period that there has been a "super majority" of at least 60 Democratic senators was after the 1972 and 1974 elections and after the 2008 elections. In each case, however, there almost certainly were Senators who would not have supported legislation relating to abortion, particularly right after Roe was released and there was no urgency for such a law.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)their eight year terms.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)But if it's not been possible anytime in the last 50 years.
The next 50 years sure do look grim don't they?
betsuni
(25,618 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Especially right that the beginning of a term
Thats usually the most productive period with the public support at its strongest.
Man - that was a great time wasnt it?
betsuni
(25,618 posts)Mad_Machine76
(24,437 posts)approximately a whole working month
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)It's like those damn super delegates, it was a secret and sprung on everyone at the last minute!
Zeitghost
(3,868 posts)Anybody who didn't know wasn't paying attention.
I noticed after the decision leaked that far too many people were not aware of the precarious spot Roe has held for the last 50 years. We were lucky that 2 of the 4 Reagan appointments (O'Conner and Kennedy) were not further to the right or this would have happened sooner.
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)And there someone goes again, blaming us for what the right and backstabbing """allies""" on the left delivered to our doorstep.
Newsflash: any state controlled by Democrats will not be outlawing abortion and therefore no laws were needed (even though some had already been passed and more will be in the future). Any state now controlled by Republicans would have since overturned any such law that was previously passed and will now outlaw abortion as quickly as they can.