All 150,000 members of this site should be flooding MSM and the DOJ with

[bkkyosemite]

this information and demanding that they get this information out there (for the MSM) and that the DOJ pull those machines and use paper ballots. We can get something done if we all pull together. I could not sleep last night because of this. Looks like Santorum won and the reason why Obama won in 2008 was because he went over the expected percentage that they stoled. Those machines have to be done away with. The graphs are there and prove what was done.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=Rigged-Elections-for-Romne-by-Michael-Collins-121022-13.html

&feature=share

There was another link with text regarding the above video. Here it is:

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ukprogressive.co.uk%2Fbreaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections%2Farticle20598.html&h=TAQEz6vdTAQGvWPut7SZbVzKV6uKAEOMSUEh-8qr4sWYSlw&enc=AZNiuWYZv8Ts2UD5q5InFyvqozC-9ICwMpTKmhS6B8yVkG3sW69_SgB-Cftu7qPomVWj-HDomuxBav8lHdCBKfyr&s=1

excerpts from above link on my Facebook:

"His results showed across-the-board systemic election fraud on a coordinated and massive scale. But the analysis indicated that this only happens in larger precincts because anomalies in small precincts can be more easily detected."
"Indeed all five voting machine companies have very strong GOP fundraising ties, yet executives (including the candidate’s son Tagg Romney) there is no conflict between massively supporting one party financially whilst controlling the machines that record and count the votes."
"Fraud is the only way they won in 2000 and 2004...the people wanted the Dem and voted for the Dem and the machines were programmed to flip and count the opposite in large precincts."

[rightsideout]

1. And send them the graphs and study that proves it

Once you see the graphs, it's obvious votes were being flipped.

There is no other way to explain why Santorum and Romney had mirror image lines. As Romney's graph line was going up, Santorum's graph line was going down at a rate opposite Romney's so the two lines looked like a mirror image. The only way to explain it is votes were flipping from Santorum to Romney as the Precinct size increases.

It's hard to describe unless you see the graphs and read the study.

[link:http://www.themoneyparty.org/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2008_2012_ElectionsResultsAnomaliesAndAnalysis_V1.51.pdf|

[zeemike]

33. Took the time to look at the charts and it is revealing.

And so simple....no need to forge anything or actually steal the ballot....just flip the results that you don't like or helps you win...all with the click of a mouse...

[reusrename]

93. Do you understand that the original count can be reconstructed?

No information is really lost using this algorithm. It's reversible.

[highprincipleswork]

95. The importance of NOT voting "straight Democratic ticket"???

I read that it is much better to select your candidates manually, one by one, and to NOT vote straight democratic ticket. I have also heard of people who voted straight Democratic and then checked their selection for President and had to change it from Romney to Obama. I have heard the it is easier to "flip" a vote that is straight Democratic.

Is this true, and if so, how do we widely disseminate this information?

[reusrename]

103. It doesn't really matter unless EVERYBODY is on board.

The software does not flip every vote. Evidently, when it decides that it's time to flip one, it does it through the "straight party" routine. This makes it less obvious to the voter. Unless he backs up through the balot all the way to the presidential, he won't see his vote being switched. At least that is what others have said (we use paper balots, so I have no first hand knowledge).

Even if you yourself vote the individual races, chances are that not everyone will, so it may not matter.

I'm wondering if it may not be better to try and catch it flipping and then report it to a poll watcher?

I don 't think it matters because they're already busted. I just want the Nooz to start pulling their hair out instead of us. I honestly don't believe they can get away with anything now. Too many people know.

[Tigress DEM]

115. I wonder if the UN observers can take these reports? Cell phone pic and have the poll worker fix it.

Everyone needs the PHONE number to report these kind of problems.

[reusrename]

155. We can't do anything to prevent this from happening, but we'll catch them red-handed.

If they do successfully flip any of the elections using this method, they will be caught this time. We are on to their hack. To hide this hack, they would have to install different software into every machine individually. As long as each machine is running the same software, this hack will be obvious just by examining nothing other than the vote totals.

They can't get away with it. This is the really good news here. We should be preparing how to contest any stolen races. That's where the focus should be. It will be both a legal and a political fight, and I don't know which side the media will come down on.

The world will be watching!

[Tigress DEM]

160. People HAVE caught the HACK in real time and MADE poll workers correct it.

I'd just like to take advantage of the UN observers and have people update the UN with any documentation about the fraud that is happening via the crooked voting machines.

[Tigress DEM]

116. So vote for every DEM, but one by one, because the hack is on the "straight DEM selection".

We have optical scanners, so it's #2 pencils and a machine that reads them.

[reusrename]

154. That's exactly what I've heard, too.

The software hack may incorporate the straight ticket feature. I'm not sure it makes any difference which method Obama voters use because, like you say, how do we get this information to EVERYONE? It may not be possible. Also, the hack might be flipping votes in either case, only the fact is that you can go back and see it being flipped if you vote straight ticket.

In any event, if they successfully flip any of the elections they will get caught this time. We are on to their hack. They can't get away with it. This is the real good news here. We should be preparing how to contest any stolen races. That's where the focus should be. It will be both a legal and a political fight, and I don't know which side the media will come down on.

The world will be watching! And we do know whos side the world will be on.

[zeemike]

131. Reconstructed how?

By running the same machines again to confirm what they said the first time?...
Or actually count the votes cast on paper ballots?....you don't remember how that works out?....and if it is less than a certain percent it will not trigger a recount and you would have to go to Court to see the ballots...Meantime it is president Rmoney.

If there is crime afoot here it will show itself soon enough...cause a crime requires a motive and opportunity...the motive is obvious, the opportunity has been made possible by the computers that do the counting...all you need is access to the system and anyone that has that access can control millions of votes....and never get caught.

[reusrename]

150. With mathematical accuracy and precision.

The particular technique that is being used to flip votes leaves leaves a specific linear slope as an artifact in the vote counts. It is a very straightforward routine to calculate what this slope is, then reverse the formula to restore the original data. This can be done with 100% accuracy and to within a precision (margin of error) that can also be easily determined.

They show how to do this in Figure 7, Page 9, of the September 2012 PDF below.


Evidence of Algorithm Vote Flipping in GOP Primary Elections Layman's Executive Summary

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByJAC-sfXwumZzI2bVlON2VTMnFyYVZZSnpDYnNyQQ/edit?pli=1



Significant Evidence of Algorithmic Vote Flipping in the 2012 GOP Primary

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByJAC-sfXwumdkE4d0Y2eWtURTZ2eDM5RmlLc3ZhQQ/edit?pli=1



Republican Primary Election 2012 Results: Amazing Statistical Anomalies August 13, 2012

http://www.themoneyparty.org/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Republican-Primary-Election-Results-Amazing-Statistical-Anomalies_V2.0.pdf



2008/2012 Election Anomalies, Results, Analysis and Concerns September 2012

http://www.themoneyparty.org/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2008_2012_ElectionsResultsAnomaliesAndAnalysis_V1.51.pdf

[justiceischeap]

2. It's all over the Twitterverse

People just hammer the DOJ twitter acct all day long with election fraud investigation requests. It's almost like they have a program that sends out these tweets at timed intervals.

[bkkyosemite]

3. Since I'm not on Twitter thank you for that information.

This is not to deter any one from voting but this is massive fraud and it needs to be dealt with. The only way I can think that they would say and do something about it, is if there were a mass of people demanding they do something at DOJ and make sure that Rachael and Ed cover this travesty.

[justiceischeap]

11. Ed, Rev. Al and Rachel have all covered

election fraud irregularities. Al and Ed have specifically covered the Romney invested machines in Ohio.

[barbiegeek]

23. Every NEWSPAPER & COLLEGE newspaper, CNN, BLOOMBERG, MCCLATHY, & CURRENT should know

[Tigress DEM]

117. There is a petition to the DEMAND the DOJ investigate Tatg Romney owning voting machines in Ohio.

http://www.change.org/petitions/attorney-general-eric-holder-investigate-tagg-romney-owning-voting-machines-in-ohio

Maybe this investigation should be broader and cover the vote flipping too?


The petition has passed the 50,000 mark with 61,688 supporters
13,311 NEEDED to get to 75,000

[bkkyosemite]

52. But this coverage of the graphs and the independent analysis needs to be covered

they used election data and there is proof. I have not heard them talk about this. It came out this month. My first link in Op.

[fasttense]

127. There is a reason why the Democrats aren't doing anything about vote rigging.

There is a reason why a Democratic DOJ has ignored the obvious manipulation of the votes.

Because they are fine with the system and they must draw some kind of benefit from it.

Are they rigging it too? I don't know. But it just seems very strange that a Democratic administration with so much to lose, would ignore such continued pressure to investigate such an obvious scam.

[marions ghost]

4. this guy is convincing--

"10% margin of manipulation" -- only positive for R candidates...

He details how they do it..."at a level higher than the central tabulators."

He says Gabby Giffords should have won by a 20% margin.

-----------------

DUers, take a minute and watch this video. Takes a little concentration but I'm not a numbers whiz and I got it.

We do need to look at this possibility because this election is so close. (People are already voting and this is not going to make anyone not vote at this point). I do fear we may be looking at Florida once again (yes, it's easy to be paranoid after what we went through before).

Decide for yourself about what this guy says. I for one, would like to read some other (sharper than me) DUers' opinions about it.

[bkkyosemite]

7. Also the first link I put up has all the graphs. This is obvious and this can't go without something

being done. All of us together can make a difference.

[marions ghost]

44. I don't have much faith in the DOJ doing something

to stop this right now before the election. If they steal the presidential for Rmoney then it might be obvious to more people...and after 00 & 04...some shit would definitely hit the fan.

Of course the threat to down ticket Dems is huge. They may "let" Rmoney lose in favor of congressional "wins".

[Mc Mike]

47. There are a wide range of respectable people and groups in this fight.

Last edited Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:42 AM - Edit history (1)

Bev Harris at Black Box Voting. Brad Friedman at Brad Blog and VelvetRevolution. Fitrakis and Wasserman at FreePress.org. The League of Women Voters. Prof. Mark C. Miller at NYU. NAACP LDF, NC of La Raza, NOW, AFL-CIO, ACLU. The 866 OUR VOTE number and site. PFAW, Common Cause. I think The Nation teamed up with ColorOfChange on requests for local coverage.

This isn't to say "we should do nothing, other people have the point" on this issue. Our side has to be on their toes on election day and after. We report to anyone and everyone any bull we experience, and get the truth about anything we hear second hand, then contact everyone else in the loop.

These electronic voting manipulation tactics make our side nervous and edgy about the possibilities. But the fact that they have to build in up to 20% flip for their side shows how certainly right our side is, and how few members of 'the 47%' actually buy the repugs' horrible lying agenda, despite lies by the corporate media and polling companies. In other words, anytime we're talking politics to the general public, that person we're speaking to is 70% likely to not like the repugs agenda. Because Romney is just hoping to hit 51%, all along he has just been fighting to win at least 31% approval. Bush-level approval.

The dog don't like its food, while Romney Repugs campaign in a 'dog ate my homework' style. His Libya lies, his 'America the Beautiful' quartet, positions on women labor civil rights, his blizzard of tone-deaf 1% moves and fantastic gaffes, the media retails to us as a dog-food commercial, offering to take the American public on a car-roof ride. The collar don't fit, Mitt,

[bkkyosemite]

54. Good information, thank you!

[Ninga]

5. I take this seriously! I am afraid many do not. I will dpfire this off to my newspaper.

[bkkyosemite]

9. Thank you Ninga please do!

[Barack_America]

6. Please note Tahitinut's respones to this earlier thread about vote flipping in Florida.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021506625#post91

[bkkyosemite]

8. Wow he should know. Thank you for posting his comment.

[cleduc]

10. I sent links on this issue to the Obama Truth team yesterday

They should be able to fast track them to the appropriate people

[BlancheSplanchnik]

35. oh thank you and GREAT idea

I was wondering what/how/who/what links/what to say........

[Flipper999]

12. Even if this guy is correct and everyone everywhere believes the flood of emails...

from DU, nothing will happen.

We are less than two weeks away from election day. Does anyone think that the DOJ could even examine every electronic voting machine everywhere in that time frame? I don't. They don't have the manpower necessary for that kind of sweeping move.

Let's also be realistic: The DOJ and MSM aren't going to believe the flood of emails you are calling for. Even if it is based on sound evidence, it sounds too conspiratorial. It also doesn't fit the media's current election narrative, and the conservative media is very reluctant to change its narrative based on some emails from liberals on the internet.

If this guy is right, then all we can do is panic about our impending doom. It's like being told that an asteroid is going to collide with Earth in less than two weeks. Mankind is too uncooperative to band together and do anything about it, and the time frame is far too short to mount a worthwhile response.

There will be no sudden call to examine the voting machines before the election, and everyone will just call it sour grapes if we demand one after a Romney 'win'. All we can hope is that this guy is wrong, and that the asteroid really isn't heading our way.

[bkkyosemite]

14. So what you are saying is we should just do nothing say nothing. 2000 and 2004 is just a memory

that won't go away because they were stolen. They have graphs that show what happened and info from the actual election data. At least a large amount of emails and calls to the MSM would make one of them two of them or even three of them bring this to the light of the millions that watch their broadcasts and with millions the DOJ cannot just make it go away.

[AllyCat]

30. Oh gosh, then lets do absolutely nothing! By all means, lets just sit on our hands

Where was this guy 2 months ago? How about years ago when Palast said about the same thing? How about the myriad others who have said something and it makes a blip at best on the news and then goes out? Lets just do nothing! Wow you have such an easy idea.

[Mc Mike]

61. +1, AC. I was going to unrec the splinter-headed thinking, but I can't find the button.

Thanks.

[Flipper999]

81. No, you can do one thing:

Vote. And that is it. I mean, you can email the MSM and DOJ and fill their spam folder, but it won't change anything.

Did all of the post 2000 and 2004 emails do anything? Nope. We have exactly the same situation that we had back in 2004: poorly regulated and poorly monitored electronic voting machines.

If it makes you feel better to send a string of emails to every source imaginable, then do it. Just don't have any illusions that it can stop the powers that be from rigging the election, if that is what they have prepared to do.

[Mc Mike]

86. Gee, I hope you post often on this thread to tell us we can't do anything but vote.

Hopefully, you can post with gloomy nay-saying and derisiveness -- that's my favorite flavor -- instead of going somewhere else and working on the 'important' issues that you focus on to back the Democratic Party.

[neversaydie]

118. sick of "that's just how it is"

just because you doubt it will do any good doesn't mean that you should do it anyway. share it and maybe it will do some good. and not just the bona fide media, but all over through social media. educate the public, the more of us that know the louder our voice will become.

you can never stop fighting the good fight.

[AllyCat]

125. Welcome!

[AllyCat]

124. I disagree.

We have managed to creep this idea of fraud into the American consciousness. It's not much, but people are paying attention more than they were, at least in my neck of the world. Yes, we need to vote and I agree with you on that, but we can get out the vote AND continue to try to educate and demand more from our elected officials to protect our democratic process.

Sorry for the snark earlier, but I've had a meh day and am tired of people saying "don't even try!!!".

Peace.

[Mc Mike]

153. I know my reply to flip was over the top.

Your post 124 is classy, and makes me feel guilty. Maybe the atonality of typed electronic communications sometimes can lead to misunderstandings among good Dem post-ers. I'm guilty of sometimes looking at disagree-ing opinion espousers as suspicious, but since flip was talking to you, I have no right to vituperatively interfere with your conversation. Sorry.

[juajen]

63. We have been trying to have something done about this for forever.

Two weeks before the election will not do any good. Perhaps, after the election, we should start petitions stating that we absolutely refuse to vote until something is done about stolen elections. Petition should include everything we are suspicious of, and everything that is obvious, except to the koolaid drinkers. When democrats are faced with no voters, perhaps it will make them get off their asses and do something. Too many dems, as well as pugs, are bought by lobbyists and so, sorta like the status quo. Of course, if they steal this one too, nothing will ever be done about it. Money will have bought dems and pugs alike. Unfortunately, once again, it is too damn late. We are facing disaster now. When Andy was killing himself trying to do something about this, too many dems just didn't get it. It is my guess that they won't now. Money rules.

[theinquisitivechad]

98. d00d's a vote-flipper

Nice handle Eeyore

[Honeycombe8]

13. I don't think this will get resolved until Congress handles it. We need a Dem. Congress, of course.

Unless they're too weak to handle this issue.

[108vcd]

15. How do we get this out?

The DOJ has to be aware of it

[Dalai_1]

16. U K Progressive website attacked

by republicans in an article on the website.I tried to access it for sometime
before I could see their webpage...

I tweeted this OP to my list...

This is the website but when I began this post I could once again
not access it...

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/

[bkkyosemite]

18. I wondererd what happened to my UK link on the vote fraud as I could get to it yesterday

and it's on my Facebook but not this morning and that was my thought that it was hacked. This is getting very serious! I have many of the graphs up from that site on my Facebook.

[bkkyosemite]

17. Here is contact info for the DOJ Does anyone have contact info for Rachael or Ed?

Correspondence to the Department, including the Attorney General, may be sent to:

U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001
By Phone
Department of Justice Main Switchboard - 202-514-2000

Office of the Attorney General Public Comment Line - 202-353-1555


By E-Mail
E-mails to the Department of Justice, including the Attorney General, may be sent to [e-mail]. E-mails will be forwarded to the responsible Department of Justice component for appropriate handling.

[Dalai_1]

20. I sent a Tweet to Rachael and Ed

Ed Schultz ? @WeGotEd

Rachel Maddow MSNBC ? @maddow

[northoftheborder]

19. Has Brad Delong (bradblog) commented on this particular claim? I have a lot of confidence in him.

[bkkyosemite]

36. Good Idea

We should email Brad with this info and see what he says about it.

[eomer]

59. Brad of bradblog would be Brad Friedman (eom)

[Berlum]

21. In deed

k and r

[IDoMath]

22. Are his findings published in a peer reviewed journal anywhere?

So far, I can only find media reports.

[bkkyosemite]

55. I don't know?

[Grammy23]

24. I saw familiar names and sources at the end of this report.....

It's the same song, second verse. We've been through this and nothing ever gets done except those of us concerned about it are called "tinfoil hatters", nutcases and conspiracy freaks.

If the evidence is there (and I do believe it is) why oh why doesn't the Democratic Party get more involved in ferreting out the perpetrators of this crime? I think there is probably ample evidence that elections going back over a decade have been manipulated and votes flipped. And yet, Gore just quietly went away. Kerry kept his mouth shut and not one thing was done to get to the truth. Lots of credible and qualified statistical experts crunched the numbers, found reason for investigation and in the end, nothing was done.

If every person on DU turned this in to people who can find out the truth and expose the people doing this, will it make any difference? Believe me, I want to see a thorough investigation done and punishment given to anyone involved. I am just getting tired of getting riled up, running around with our hair on fire trying to get someone to take it seriously, only to have our hopes dashed again.

What else can be done to expose this and fix it?

[bkkyosemite]

56. I agree. But we must do something. Something that gets attention. I thought a mass of people

might do the trick or at least be noticed.

[yardwork]

25. I feel very frustrated. This problem has been talked about since 2004 but the Democrats did nothing.

It was obvious that something was wrong in Ohio with the 2004 vote count. Yet Kerry capitulated without a fight, and the Democrats, who controlled Congress at that time, did nothing. Even here on DU many threads about this issue were shut down as "tin foil hattery." One of the most vocal national voices about this turned out to be a con artist (probably a deliberate false flag planted by Rove to ensure that people would reject the idea of vote count fraud).

Obama has done nothing about this. Democratic-controlled Congresses have come and gone without doing anything about it. At this point it feels hopeless. There is plenty of evidence of vote-flipping by the machines. Engineers from MIT have shown how the machines can be programmed from a distance. Lots of evidence of machines being wiped by technicians employed by these companies. Exit polls not matching the official count - this is evidence of rigged elections everywhere in the world except the U.S., apparently! It's very discouraging. I wish that I knew who to call at this point.

Why won't the Democrats do something about this? Why is the party ignoring this?

[Grammy23]

31. I agree with you completely. It is very frustrating and disheartening

to believe that we are on to something important only to be ignored or marginalized. I have no idea what can be done because we've been trying to draw attention to this for a long time with NO real results. Every time we get ourselves psyched up to believe that this time someone will listen and do something about it. At this point I am starting to feel a bit like Charlie Brown with Lucy and the football. Are we going to get our hopes up again, only to be told that WE are the ones who are crazy and paranoid?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

40. when something this big gets buried again and again, theres only ONE thing to do:

DON'T GIVE UP

With enough continued outcry and action, even an actual election upset would NOW be protested in huge numbers. The time and circumstances are right, finally.

[bkkyosemite]

57. ABSOLUTELY that is what I'm trying to get acrossed. thank you!

[yardwork]

71. I see we posted almost the same thing at the same time.

I am going to put pressure on elected Democratic officials. They are the ones who can change this.

[bkkyosemite]

39. Yes I agree. That is why mass of people demanding change will be the only way.

[yardwork]

68. I appreciate your efforts and I'll do what I can to help.

[siligut]

147. The graph showing how Santorum and Gingrich were screwn would rile supporters

If you think it is just Democrats, see if there is a way to inform Republicans of the chicanery and see what they do.

[barbiegeek]

26. HOW DO WE TELL THE UNITED NATIONS ELECTION OFFICIALS

[bkkyosemite]

41. I don't know but that is a very good idea!

[CoffeeCat]

49. Yes, YES!! The United Nations elections officials need to know this!!!!

You are spot on.

We need outside intervention. Our system has been corrupted. No one on the inside will help.

I am in Iowa, and I just wrote about how Romney STOLE the Iowa caucuses. Santorum really won. Romney was given more votes in a precinct that he earned. The precinct chair from that county saw that the votes given for Romney were higher than what he recorded and jotted down during the vote.

The Republican party purposely attacked that Iowa precinct chair and beat down the information--until after the NH and NC Republican primaries. They KNEW they could steal it on the machines in those two states, and after Romney won NH and NC---Iowa would seem like a moot point.

Iowa does not use machines for their caucuses. We do a show of hands, the results are written down and then called into a central office. We've NEVER had a problem before. But with Romney we sure as hell did.

After the Republican primary candidates had moved beyond NH and NC, the Republican party finally called the Iowa caucus for Santorum.

So, so disgraceful. They've been cheating since the primary. They will of course try to steal it in two weeks.

[libdem4life]

83. A UN European Group of election monitors is coming...Texas has already vowed to arrest them.

Asked by the ACLU and a couple of other patriotic Liberal organizations. Perhaps it would be good to find out from them what we, as citizens, could do. There were a couple of threads on DU about it.l

[Mc Mike]

90. I will personally help the blue helmets arrest the mighty texas strike force

if they show their lame asses around my precincts. We're law and order around here, and don't like the Texas version of 'one world government'.

[Live and Learn]

27. This is why the polls matter and why the GOP is so intent

on fixing polls and making sure the msm reports the ones showing the GOP "surges." That way it isn't so suspicious when the machines flip votes.

[INdemo]

38. BINGO!!

Has anyone ever thought that guys like Chuck Todd or Gregory might just be on their payroll..to give these positive analysis for these Repukes? I think it is very possible and I think they are.

[bkkyosemite]

43. Exactly my thoughts. I watched the pundits this morning with strange looks

on their faces when they asked why Obama had lost double digit in the polls for women...and you know that one debate for Romney that got him up to even with Obama after Obama was leading with 9 or so...This is so disgusting.

[AndyA]

58. Exactly right!

There is NO WAY women are supporting Rmoney in the numbers being reported. Rmoney and the GOP have flat out insulted women between having to get binders of qualified female candidates, to not trusting them to know what to do with their reproductive systems.

Really...how hard can it be to find a woman qualified to do a job? They are out there, EVERYWHERE. You don't need to search long and hard to find them, then stick them in a binder to make sure they're considered. It's insulting.

Government needs to get out of America's bedrooms. We have (legitimate) election fraud with voting machines that can be manipulated, (legitimate) voter suppression, (legitimate) concerns with big business and multi-millionaires buying our elections because they have the most money, (legitimate) issues with campaign advertising that isn't accurate...there are so many things that need attention instead of demeaning and insulting women! Oh, and there's that little thing about jobs not being created because the GOP wants to make sure Obama is a one term President, and they're willing to commit economic terrorism to do it.

Women are too smart to fall for this crap, I don't believe for a second that many female voters will support Rmoney, or the GOP. They have to make us believe the race is much closer than it is so they can steal the election (again).

[underthematrix]

85. Yep There we go!!

which raises an interesting question. Why is MSNBC, a supposedly "liberal/progressive" network reporting the same fake polls? I understand FOX HATE NEWS and the CORPORATE NEWS NETWORK (CNN) but MSNBC seems strange. The question then becomes are the news producers of the various MSNBC shows being pressured by GE to report the false data?

By the way, I knew the GOP primary dataresults was false. Santorum won most of the states, followed by Ron Paul, and Newt Gingrich. Common sense tells me that any group of people who think it is okay to display effigies of the President with a noose around his neck would be unlikely to vote for mittnocchio in 2012. So yeah, the fix was in.

[108vcd]

28. Here is the link to the research PDF

http://www.themoneyparty.org/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2008_2012_ElectionsResultsAnomaliesAndAnalysis_V1.51.pdf

[marions ghost]

37. Interesting

seems that the votes also flipped BIG for Rmoney in the Repug primary....makes ya think that whoever's behind this works directly for the Dons, leaving the more obvious suppression to lower level goons...

VERY well written & great graphs--even I understand --bookmarking to study it more

[bkkyosemite]

45. Yes they are. It is very real and we must say what we need to about this travesty.

[snot]

29. Lots more good info here:

http://electiondefensealliance.org/

[bkkyosemite]

48. Good link, thank you. It says 19 states will not have exit polling this year

that is why McConnell was so confident about Obama only being one term. This is a huge operation a mafia type operation. We must get together and demand that this stop. There must be exit polls including those who voted stating on paper who they voted for. You know a sheet of paper with the President selection of two boxes (or three if the Green Party is on the ticket) and two boxes for Senate and two for Congress where the person who is leaving the polling place checks which they voted for. A grassroots paper trail...sort of...

[Blue Owl]

32. K&R

[reusrename]

34. k&r

I have no doubt that they are already busted in this election. Early voting has already started and this is so easily detectable (now that it's known about) that they will be exposed.

[bkkyosemite]

51. Oh I hope so...

[reusrename]

92. I'm pretty sure this is a breaking story that cannot be obscured by propaganda.

Too many people will be duplicating these results. High school math teachers will have a field day.

[CoffeeCat]

42. Please also remember the Iowa Republican caucus--Santorum won it!

I live in Iowa and I attended the Republican caucus in my area.

There was a huge story here, because a precinct captain noticed that the votes for Romney and Santorum--that he sent to the county recorder---did not match. Romney's numbers were inflated. This precinct chair (his name is Edward True) saw the error and went public.

The Iowa Republican party and others attacked him. They denied the mistake. True had jotted down the votes in his precinct on a piece of paper. Others who were present verified his assertions.

Romney only won the Iowa caucus by a few votes. So, Santorum actually won.

However, the Republicans squelched that reality. They were buying time, until the NH and NC primaries were finished. Obviously, they didn't want Santorum having the Iowa caucus win--and the momentum that came with that--going into NH and NC.

It's just disgusting.

Our caucuses are so open. The process is so honest. Each precinct has everyone in a room. We raise our hands for the candidate we want. The numbers are tallied by several people who double, triple check the results. Then, the numbers are presented to a central office. It appears that the cheating was done by someone who increased Romney's votes in Edward True's precinct by 50 or so votes.

So, it doesn't surprise me that Santorum was winning, because he won the Iowa caucus.

[Dustlawyer]

46. K&R! I have been saying this all along!

We have so far been subjected to:
Voter purges
Voter ID
Voter registration fraud
Employer voter intimidation/threats
Billboards with threats of criminal prosecution for voter impersination
Citizens United - activist decision
Repeated lies in commercials that they will not stop airing

I know there is more but you get the point. If they are willing to do all of this and spend a billion dollars to get elected, do you think they don't plan on committing electronic voting fraud? If you are a patriotic Republican, you need to stand up to your party, or get a new party! Otherwise, stop wearing a Flag pin and get the hell out of OUR country where we don't stand for this shite!
Ask yourself, where does all of this lead to? This leads to chaos and anarchy if they are allowed to continue to violate everything this country stands for. If they are allowed to rig the elections every time, they will have to use the military against the rest of us. They will not let go of power!
Forget talking issues with your Republican friends/co-workers... Show them this and ask if they approve! This election is about more than tax cuts and Obamacare, it is about whether America will survive with her principles intact, or is her fundamental core going to die!

[brooklynite]

50. Only if you want to look like a crank.....

What you have is a privately prepared and unpublished analysis alleging a correlation between precinct size and voting inconsistent with what the author thinks should have happend.

You have no candidate, elected official or Party Official (all the way up to the President) claiming that their election results were tampered with. Hence, no criminal charge. Hence, no interest by DOJ.

You also have an implied multi-State, massively large conspiracy (politicians, business executives, engineers, programmers, statisticians) which has existed for 10 years or more without anyone leaking information, having a political change of heart, making a deathbed confession etc. Strikes me as highly implausible.

[bkkyosemite]

62. I'm sorry I do not believe the voter fraud that has been and is being fueled is a conspiracy.

[Mc Mike]

72. You're 100% right. The well-documented evidence of vote stealing fraud is not a conspiracy theory.

With 11000 posts, brook should have more knowledge before weighing in to "pooh-pooh" 'conspiracy theory'.

[marions ghost]

64. Doesn't take a large conspiracy

only a small one, and a LOT of people complicit who have a vested interest in not looking at it...not wanting to get into it because it discredits and undermines the system as a whole (duh). Candidates are the LAST people who want to take it up as a topic.

With ALL the corruption that we see--that is obvious, that exists in every other political arena in the country--HOW can you blithely ignore the possibility and actively diss people who make a strong case for it?

At least keep an open mind and we'll see who looks like a crank later.

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See post 47 above = the list of respectable people involved in this fight for a long time:

"Bev Harris at Black Box Voting. Brad Friedman at Brad Blog and VelvetRevolution. Fitrakis and Wasserman at FreePress.org. The League of Women Voters. Prof. Mark C. Miller at NYU. NAACP LDF, NC of La Raza, NOW, AFL-CIO, ACLU. The 866 OUR VOTE number and site. PFAW, Common Cause. I think The Nation teamed up with ColorOfChange on requests for local coverage."

Your argument is SO Early Booshcheney Era.

[saidsimplesimon]

53. Let's GOTV first

I see that Greg Palast has also weighed in on this topic.

Imho, now is the time to focus on overwhelming support for President Obama. Vote early, or my mail, if you have that option.

I've put aside a few dollars to support President Obama, if he challenges the election results. This includes turning up in Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, Colorado or Virginia should we need to stand shoulder to shoulder outside any state election officers HQ.

[bkkyosemite]

65. I am standing shoulder to shoulder, I gave all I could to the President

(wish it could have been more). I agree we must have overwhelming support for Obama. I voted 5 days ago here in Oregon. We must also not stand for this vote machine heist any longer.

[marions ghost]

70. What do you say to the idea

that they could "let" Obama "win"--but also let down ticket Dems "lose"--setting things up for later?

Yes, of course now is the time to GOTV. But you have to admit, there is evidence that countering election theft needs more help than your few dollars set aside.

We have a system that is extremely vulnerable and unverifiable, owned and operated by Republican companies.

Nah, they wouldn't do anything to rig anything....

[saidsimplesimon]

104. Big Bird, grow UP

I don't consider the tactics of our (you are a supporter of President Obama?) lame ass opposition.

[marions ghost]

106. wuzzupwitcha sadsimplesighman

[flamingdem]

107. Watcho saying to BIG BIRD?

Being grown up is about being able to open your mind without breaking your brain, sqwak!

[saidsimplesimon]

105. Please, don't insult Big Bird.

We can read betweem tee lines.

[flamingdem]

108. The birdsh*t will be flying

when we see what happens Nov. 6th. We can't let it continue, gotv yes but with an eagle eye and an eye to the future to root out the worms of corruption.

[abelenkpe]

60. K&R nt

[bkkyosemite]

66. Does anyone have an idea how to contact the UN poll watchers with at least

the first of my links of information on the stats? I will google myself and see if there is anything that can be a contact of sorts. Any one else who can find something would be appreciated. Wonder if Brad knows.

[marions ghost]

74. Go to Brad

or the DU Election Reform forum.

[bkkyosemite]

76. Thank you did not know of the forum .

[marions ghost]

78. You can ask just about any question

about elections (including e-vote rigging) over the last 12 years, and I'd be willing to bet somebody there would have a definitive answer. It is a great resource.

[Mc Mike]

80. Here's a Change.org petition to A. G. Holder and Justice, from FreePress.org

http://www.change.org/petitions/attorney-general-eric-holder-investigate-tagg-romney-owning-voting-machines-in-ohio

I'm sending a link to Bev and BBV of your post.

[bkkyosemite]

100. I have signed this one and another one the other day.

[Mc Mike]

130. Someone bad-mouthing Bev and BBV on ProfessionalLeftist's thread about this subject

I don't buy it.

[drm604]

67. For the naysayers who say that nothing can be done in the time remaining.

One thing that can be achieved is public knowledge. If this is real then, if the public is aware of it, and the hackers know that we're aware of it and that we know what patterns to look for, perhaps they'll refrain from doing it.

Maybe they won't refrain. Maybe they'd do it anyway, but the knowledge that people are looking for this just might dissuade them.

There's something I've noticed in others threads about this subject. I'm not calling out any individuals, any given individual deserves the benefit of the doubt, but I have noticed that there are a number of new users mocking this idea and calling it tinfoil hat stuff. They don't have any actual arguments, they just mock it. Maybe this is coincidence, or maybe it shows that they are frightened by public knowledge and are trying to quell discussion.

[zentrum]

69. Dut where are the Democrats

...on this? I will bombard Holder, but why isn't he on this already? It's been a 12 year story by now.
Why are the Democrats so helpless to drive this investigation and this story?
It can't be just up to Rachel and company.

[bkkyosemite]

73. Some Info On UN Election Observers Still looking for contact info..they are out of DC last para.

WARSAW, 24 October 2012 – Ambassador Janez Lenarčič, the Director of the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR), expressed his grave concern today over the threat of criminal prosecution of OSCE/ODIHR election observers.

This threat, contained in an open letter from the Attorney General of Texas, is at odds with the established good co-operation between OSCE/ODIHR observers and state authorities across the United States, including in Texas, Lenarčič said, adding that it is also contrary to the country’s obligations as an OSCE participating State.

The ODIHR Director shared his concerns in a letter to United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

“The threat of criminal sanctions against OSCE/ODIHR observers is unacceptable,” Lenarčič said. “The United States, like all countries in the OSCE, has an obligation to invite ODIHR observers to observe its elections

"The ODIHR limited election observation mission for the 2012 general elections in the United States consists of a core team of 13 experts, from 10 OSCE participating States, based in Washington D.C., and 44 long-term observers deployed throughout the country. These are the sixth United States elections the Office has observed, without incident, since 2002."

[bkkyosemite]

75. I got this far. Any one else have any info.

Contacts
Thomas Rymer
Spokesperson
Public Affairs Unit
OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights
Ul. Miodowa 10
00-251 Warsaw
Poland
Office: [phone]
Mobile: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
[e-mail]
Elections Department, OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights
Ul. Miodowa 10
00-251 Warsaw
Poland
Office: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
[e-mail]

[bkkyosemite]

77. Some more of the election observers.

Following an official invitation from the United States Mission to the OSCE, and based on the findings and conclusions of a Needs Assessment Mission (NAM), the OSCE/ODIHR has deployed a Limited Election Observation Mission (LEOM) for the 6 November 2012 general elections.

http://www.osce.org/odihr/94913

[Mc Mike]

84. Bookmarked the o.p., bkk. This is a good place to plant the vote protection flag. NT.

[bkkyosemite]

91. Plant it deep and thank you.

[CarmanK]

79. I voted ABSENTEE, there is a paper trail and in MD we have a paper trail for recounts.

[crazylikafox]

94. I live in Maryland & vote on a machine with no paper involved...

unless it's printing something elsewhere that I'm not aware of.

[marions ghost]

111. I thought MD got rid of those machines

they are junking them supposedly....

[crazylikafox]

112. Didn't know that. I hope so. But I could swear I voted on one in the primary.

I guess I'll find out this coming week.

[marions ghost]

113. Verified Voting. org has so much good info, state by state, for example:

Maryland Report - Scanners Cost Less than DREs
12/13/2010 , VerifiedVoting

A new study commissioned by the state of Maryland has just taken a close look at the relative cost of optical-scan paper-ballot voting systems compared with electronic touch-screen systems, and found that optical-scan paper-ballot systems are less expensive . These findings are timely and important not only for Maryland, but for other states as well. With Maryland's direct-recording electronic voting machines (DREs) approaching the end of their useful lifespan, the report by the Department of Legislative Services notes that using the systems becomes increasingly risky as the machines age. The report recommends that the State should move to implement optical scan systems for "long-term cost-effectiveness and cost control." and that "Maryland would spend $9.5 million less on an optical scan system than it would on a DRE system. Both [Operations and Maintenance]and capital costs are expected to be lower over the long term under an optical scan system." more at:

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/search/#q/maryland

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Another good one:

Online voter registration vulnerable to attack, researchers say | The Washington Post
10/18/2012 , The Voting News

A voting rights group and some of the nation’s leading researchers on election technology are urging Maryland voters to check the accuracy of their online voter registration files after warning that the data had been left vulnerable to tampering. Researchers at the University of Michigan, the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and a former president of the Association for Computing Machinery wrote to Maryland officials late last month urging them to take immediate steps to better protect a new system that allows Marylanders to update their voter registration online. The letter warned that anyone with access to a Maryland voter’s full name and birth date could exploit a simple online tool to change the voter’s address, party affiliation or other information. Such changes, especially a change of address, could lead to a voter’s ballot not being counted normally on Election Day. … more at:

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/search/#q/maryland

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Maybe come back and tell us what you found at the voting place after you vote...just FYI about the machines.

[slackmaster]

99. How will you know that your vote actually got counted?

[tiny elvis]

109. if my vote is flipped, the value of your vote becomes less than one

a winning fraud strategy will make your protected vote's value zero

[sellitman]

82. Sure would be a hoot if Holder could just do his job

Is that too much to ask?

[Ellipsis]

87. The oped news article is written by a DUer

...just so you know.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1091&pid=594

[bkkyosemite]

89. Wow I did not know thank you.

[libdem4life]

88. These links should provide information on who andhow to help as they are already doing it .... Yeah!

http://news.yahoo.com/international-vote-monitors-warn-texas-dont-mess-us-002639277.html;_ylt=A2KLOzKEvIpQE2kAT4jQtDMD

http://www.startribune.com/politics/175976881.html?refer=y

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/263141-international-monitors-at-polling-places-draw-criticism-from-voter-fraud-group

[Mc Mike]

97. Swinish tex repugs' hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Thanks for the info, ld4l. The same people who send 'true the vote' and 'mighty texas strike force' repug mutants to other states' polling places to 'monitor' things, scream 'how dare you come within 100 feet of our polling place', to people who want to make sure the repugs aren't intimidating voters and stealing votes, in the polling places the tex repug nazis are running.

Downright un-American, but not unexpected, since these are the same whack-jobs who threatened to secede from the Union, anyway.

[StarryNite]

101. This is why the media keeps saying it's a neck and neck race...

so when the election is stolen that line of bullshit will make it all go down easier.

They knew this happened when bush "won". We all knew it! This many years later it could happen again and if you thought bush was bad, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

[w8liftinglady]

102. FWIW, quite a few of us in Texas have been speaking out

(a little history of Texas Voting Machines... which are still in use in many Texas voting districts...including Dallas,Austin,Tarrant, and Harris Counties
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10/25/gop-voting-machine-election-fraud-in-2004-alleged-by-former-employee-of-hart-intercivic-video/ )

Oddly enough, The Tea Party here is complaining that straight-ticket Republican votes are flipping,too.
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2012/10/tea_party_thinks.php

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-10/23/e-voting-on-the-decline

[toby jo]

110. So what's up with Santorum on this?

They're feeding on themselves, no response from the carrion?

[IDoMath]

114. I RAN MY OWN ANALYSIS

I analyzed the same election but in Minnesota. My findings indicate that SANTORUM stole the election from ROMNEY.

I have emailed the author of the original article and sent my findings. I am happy to share them with anyone who asks.

My initial conclusion is that Duniho's analysis is flawed. I am waiting to hear from the source.

[marions ghost]

119. Here's what happened in Youngstown, Ohio

1. DRE touchscreen machines purchased in 2012 (under HAVA Act) for 2.95 million from ES&S
2. Now they are going BACK to the "new" MORE SOPHISTICATED SYSTEM" -- ye olde optical scanners
3. ES&S will not repair the DRE machines
4. $684,000 is now needed to buy the new scanners from...ES&S

THIS IS IN ONE COUNTY OF OHIO!!!! --what a boondoggle (what a CRIME)

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Voting in Mahoning County to return to paper ballots | Youngstown News
09/12/2011 , The Voting News

Nine years after switching from paper ballots to electronic touch-screen voting, the Mahoning County Board of Elections plans to return to paper for the November general election. The new, more sophisticated system will have voters complete a paper ballot and feed it into an optical-scanner machine. The machine would keep track of the vote totals with the paper ballot dropped into a sealed box. State law requires all ballots have paper backups. It would cost $684,000 to buy the new machines from Election Systems & Software, the same company that sold the electronic voting machines to the county, said Joyce Kale Pesta, the board’s deputy director. The county may not have the money to purchase the machines so leasing them is an option that would cost less than $100,000 a year, she said. Board officials need to speak to county commissioners about buy and lease options, Kale Pesta said. The county likely wouldn’t have to pay for the lease or purchase until January 2012, she said. The need to replace the county’s current voting machines is great, Kale Pesta said. “I don’t believe these machines can make it through a presidential election” in 2012, when voters turn out in large numbers, she said. Of the 1,100 electronic voting machines the board of elections currently has, about 200 no longer work; several others have problems, Kale Pesta said. “We wouldn’t have enough working machines for the election,” said Robert Wasko, the board’s chairman. Also, ES&S no longer makes or repairs the voting machines used by the county, Kale Pesta said. Most of the machines were purchased in 2002 from ES&S for $2.95 million. Source: Youngstown News, Voting in Mahoning to return to paper ballots.
read more »
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/search/#q/%20voting%20machines%20youngstown

[IDoMath]

121. I know that Ohio is a disaster but

...I was only doing this to test the experimental method. i.e. can it be reliably, (scientifically) used to detect voter fraud in the absence of other evidence. My conclusion for the moment is no.

[marions ghost]

129. "Other Evidence"

has been conveniently ignored. Bradblog documents it very well.

You give me no reason for why you reject the mathematical model. Put up a thread about your findings, with details (like the OP provided) so people here can really assess it. We can understand it, I'm sure.

Otherwise, we got sumpthin' & ya got nuthin.'

[IDoMath]

152. I don't see a way to upload my data...

I will be happy to upload the spreadsheets with my work and analysis if you will tell me where you would like them uploaded to.
Right now, I see no way to upload an excel spreadsheet to DU.

I applied the same mathematical analysis to MN 2012 GOP primary. The resulting graphs showed the same kinds of slope to the curves as the original analysis but it favored Santorum and disfavored Romney. If two candidates were both stealing the election these effects should have cancelled out.

I reported my findings back to the author of the article. He informed me that I was the third person to send in a data set and findings and that he was forwarding those results to Dunniho and one other who has done similar work. I am waiting to hear back from them.

I left a comment on the website as well and got back an insightful suggestion - go back far enough to get pre-machine data and try to determine a "normal" slope and then try again to see if there is a deviation from that slope that might indicate tampering. This is a very good suggestion but also very complicated. There are several uncontrolled variables including;

1) No two primaries/elections are exactly alike
2) In order to go back to a point of "pre-machine-tampering" of the type we now suspect I would probably have to reach back to 1992 or 1996. With that length of time, there can be significant demographic shifts in precincts and I don't have access to the data necessary to try and account for these shifts.

Right now I think the "other evidence" you refer to is more compelling than this approach. Amongst that evidence are;

1) Eyewitness reports of vote flipping
2) Insider reports of malicious code
3) The basic fact that the code is NOT open source and available for analysis
4) The lack of paper trails for these machines

I will be happy to upload the spreadsheets with my work and analysis if you will tell me where you would like them uploaded to.

[marions ghost]

156. Thanks

OK--when/if you do hear back from the analyst & other person--please some back and post your assessment then as a separate thread. A summary is all that's needed for discussion.

I see the issues with uncontrolled variables but it seems to me it's possible to work up a reasonably accurate (hypothetical) model from existing data. Access to the data would take work. But if you want your analysis to have validity, seems it has to meet every criteria for logical comparison.

I'm no mathematics head so I am just encouraging you to give us your argument in a more accessible format.
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One thing I don't think you can refute--the NSA analyst's statement in the paper that:

"The anomaly is not apparent in elections that don't include Republican candidates. In 2008, Mitt Romney had the benefit of this anomaly and then the gain switched to McCain once Romney exited the campaign. The Democrat Party elections we looked at don't show this problem."

[IDoMath]

158. Maybe not refute but I can offer an alternative theory

I might suggest that conservatives are much more likely to follow a herd mentality. As they see people gathering around a winner they are more heavily influenced by the size of the existing crowd when they make their choices. In dense areas, this might present itself as the number of campaign signs showing for a particular candidate. At some point there might be a kind of 'critical mass' that accelerates this effect, thus, in dense areas you will see a tendency for the graph to tip upward for the winner and downward for the loser.

BUT Dunniho has given us something of great value and I can foresee the possibility that he could merit the Nobel Peace Prize. If he continues his work and refines it with the feedback he is getting, his work might one day be of use to election watchers to detect electoral fraud around the world. And THAT would be worth a Nobel Peace Prize in my mind. Even if he is not detecting fraud now, he is laying the groundwork for how it would be found.

[marions ghost]

159. Seems to me

that this kind of quantitative analysis is essential to support other more visible (but less neutral) evidence of fraud.

We have every reason to be suspicious, but votes are numbers--they can be analyzed and patterns revealed with some degree of certainty. So yes, I see it as important work and I hope people with your skills stay involved and help translate your findings to the rest of us. The federal government certainly does not seem to have our back in this.

As for your alternative theory, seems to me that "herd mentality" has always been the case in elections and is not new--so would not explain the 10% shifts in elections running Republican candidates (and not in races with Dem candidates only).

[Mc Mike]

161. Sociology Professor Dennis Loo discussed Ohio '04

In Sonoma State University's Media Democracy in Action book 'Project Censored 2006'.

Prof. Loo of Cal State Poly U, Pomona, analyzed Cuyahoga County Ohio (Cleveland area) vote counts, from 29 suburban precincts. He found 342,336 ballots cast, and 249,200 registered voters for those precincts. (More votes than voters, over 100% turn-out, ghost voters.)

Professor Mark Crispin Miller of NYU wrote a book about OH's '04 election irregularities called 'Fooled Again'. He covered a Scripps Howard News Service story by Michal Collins (12-24-04), which stated that "Nearly 97,000 ballots, or 1.7% of those cast across the state, either did not record a preference for president or could not be counted because the voter selected more than one presidential candidate." (More voters than votes, actual peoples' votes did not count.)

World Almanac 2006 reported that bush 'won' OH by 118,000 votes. With 93,000 more votes than voters, and 97,000 more voters than votes, simultaneously.

Bradblog has been covering the scandals involving Sproul and Associates (Lincoln Strategies, Strategic Allied Consulting) whose work for the repugs in fraudulent voter registration (adding fake repugs, destroying legit Dems' registrations) spans 5 battleground states this year. Prof. Miller reported that Sproul was the 8th largest campaign expenditure for the repug party in '04.

4 simple numbers about the '04 election theft, 93,000, 97,000, 118,000, 8. That's without Blackwell's transfer of Ohio's vote count to SmartTech and GovTech being included in the discussion, or the 8+ hour lines generated by Sproul and the repugs at Dem polling places.

The ghost voters were counted by machines. The no preference or too many preference 'invalid' voters were 'not counted' by machines.

[ahlnord]

120. current system dependent on electrical grid, vulnerable

During the major blackout (brownout?) in New England a few years ago it was apparent that the nation's electrical grid is old and easily disrupted. There were concerns that a terrorist attack that could easily take down the system, causing a multitude of problems. I haven't heard much about that since then, but it is easy to see how an entire election could be cancelled, delayed or disrupted by a loss of electrical power. Now that we see the super storm moving towards the eastern seaboard, we anticipate electricity being down in a large area. As a simple matter of national security we should return to paper ballots, hand-counted ("hands-on voting&quot . An election could even be held by candle-light, if necessary!

I am an election judge who used to count ballots the old-fashioned way. It is practical, doable, and extremely satisfying! It is the safest, most fool-proof method, virtually impossible to hack. After WW II the U.S. insisted that Germany's elections under their new democracy be hand-counted paper ballots, and they still are to this day... as are elections in the U.K. and Canada. This is not a matter of returning to the Stone Age. Why are we afraid to count our ballots transparently like we used to? I am baffled why everyone is so afraid to abandon the ballot tabulators and voting machines. Counting is easy when conducted at the precinct level. The results for each precinct are published immediately that night at the precinct and the ballots and results (sworn to and verified by election judges from both parties and observed by election observers) are sent on to the Secretary of State's office. Anyone with an adding machine can add the results of each precinct to check if the totals reported by the state conform. It is our citizens' duty not only to serve on juries, defend the nation, and vote, but to also count the ballots and determine who got elected. But we have corporatized our elections, allowing corporations to count the ballots and it is the corporations that have taken over the country. Perhaps this is a movement best taken up at the grassroots level, where each precinct can decide to throw out the machines. As the movement spreads, more precincts will see that it is not hard to count if the people are willing to do it. We must take back our vote.

[bkkyosemite]

122. We must! Thank you!

[marions ghost]

128. use hand counts with scanners

to check each other, and also because Americans are programmed to have instant results. So you have the instant results, followed by the ASAP hand count to verify (or not). Just having this in place makes it much harder to tamper with votes.

With the impending storm in the mid-Atlantic and NE it might illustrate your point, unfortunately.

[GetTheRightVote]

123. if only they would listen...

he does sound someone who would know,

[Cha]

126. KNR! Thanks bdkosemite

[bkkyosemite]

132. Please do not let this thread die. We can do something. There are those here that

want to help us with contact information and there is a compiling of a list in process. Please let us know if you are interested in taking part in contacting those who will listen to get this information out to the masses. It will take a mass of people to make it count but we have seen what a large group of peoople can do. The vote machines have to be done away with and proper cheat free voting must prevail or our democracy our Country will not prevail. It is up to the people to stop the fraud. These are our votes, not theirs!

[Democratopia]

133. Please keep posting the video or this thread on Facebook, social media or email

If this can get enough publicity, the perpetrators of this crime will see they risk being found out

[bkkyosemite]

142. Thank you Dem and if you can actually think of those to contact who can carry

out the eventual success of us stopping vote fraud please give any contact info you have and thank you for doing your part. Exactly .."if this can get enough pubilicity" ...Exactly ...what I'm trying to do. But I need everyone's help. Thank you for yours.

[The Time is Now]

134. Sent to Nate Silver

This must be circulated. I just sent the link to Nate Silver, who, I believe, would be able to evaluate the methodology of the study. I am not a statistician, but have some math background, and this is simply too impossible to be a coincidence. If the death of democracy is not news in this country, this avoidance, ironically, confirms that death.

[bkkyosemite]

137. Thank you so much.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

135. thanks so much for posting this and keeping this alive !

[bkkyosemite]

141. Only with your help and others can we keep this alive and do something about

the vote fraud. Thank you.

[CrispyQ]

136. "at a level higher than the central tabulators."

"Indeed all five voting machine companies have very strong GOP fundraising ties, yet executives (including the candidate’s son Tagg Romney) there is no conflict between massively supporting one party financially whilst controlling the machines that record and count the votes."

The corpos own our government lock, stock & barrel. It's going to be a helluva fight getting it back.

'I Can't Tell You Who I Voted For': Obama Casts Early Vote on 100% Unverifiable E-Vote System

http://www.bradblog.com/

snip...

"I can't tell you who I voted for," the President joked, as noted by our colleague Mark Crispin Miller in a short blog item today wryly headlined "Obama votes for Romney". The President's joke may not have been nearly as funny as he had intended it.

We confirmed with the Chicago Board of Elections that Early Voters in the Windy City must do so on the oft-failed, incredibly-vulnerable, and easily-hacked (see below for details) Sequoia AVC Edge touch-screen voting system which is still used according to VerifiedVoting.org's database for Early, Disabled-Accessible or Standard polling place voting in some 234 jurisdictions across all or part of some 13 states, including Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, New Jersey, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin.

On Election Day, the Board's Communication Director told The BRAD BLOG, voters are allowed to vote on their choice of either paper ballots (also tallied by Sequoia's incredibly faulty computer tabulators --- the same ones which announced losing candidates as "winners" in 3 different elections in Palm Beach County, FL earlier this year) or Sequoia's 100% unverifiable AVC Edge touch-screens.

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While you have your checkbooks out for candidates, consider donating to BradBlog if you can. He does good work.

http://www.bradblog.com/

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[bkkyosemite]

138. Yes please do Brad is one of our hero's in this campaign.

[CrispyQ]

143. Makes you wonder how much Obama really won by in '08. -nt

[bkkyosemite]

139. All you out there in DU land.....please think of those we can put on a list to contact

Whether it be those involved in their own way in vote fraud or those who we can get to report on this issue main stream. Any one you know whether it be in media or acadamia or grassroots. This must go viral this must be totally verified and we must save our vote and our ability to be free and have the best nation in the world. We must tell the masses we want free and fair elections and our vote to be absolutely fraud free! Yes We Can!!!

[bkkyosemite]

140. By The Way..... I am an Obama MaMa and an Obama Grandma...I canvassed for Obama and

am trying to do so this time in a different way. Please understand this is a historic time. Never have we had such an intellegent and caring President! Even though some do not like it, a diverse individual who has made a huge difference already in our lives these four years. No not everything we want but a damn a good job at what he has done! We must protect his position as President which he won fairly.

The vote must not be stolen....Please any of those with a list or who are in the know with ideas please give us what you have or know and thank you all for your participation. Yes We Can!

[siligut]

144. Make sure Santorum and Gingrich supporters know

They have already been screwn by the Romney's. I looked for RW message boards and even signed up for one, but couldn't post. We have to play it this way now, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[marions ghost]

145. Yeah

makes sense to me. Seems like they may realize somethin fishy happened.

[Columbus Free Press]

146. On the Ground on Election Day in Ohio

The Free Press will be conducting election monitoring and election defense. This is a major campaign and we need your help.

We have:

Access. Through our partnership with the Green Party, our election monitors can be in the polling places, watching the setup, voting, close out, and chain of custody of ballots and electronic ballot boxes. We can watch the tabulation operations at each county board of elections in Ohio. We have the same access as monitors from the Democratic and Republican Parties.

Lawyers. We have a few good lawyers who will be on hand in Columbus and Cincinnati to take affidavits and file for injunctive relief as needed. We will defend election monitors who are wrongfully arrested or harassed by local law enforcement and others in the course of exercising their citizen's rights.

An Operations Center We have a location with computers, video editing capability for our video the vote project, 2 radio stations and our website to make this project run smoothly.

Experience. We have been monitoring elections for 8 years. We know all the legal ins and outs, what to look for and where to go.

Intelligence. We have been extensively researching election fraud in Ohio. We are confident that we can send our monitors to where they are needed knowing what to look for.


What we need:

YOU! If you are a registered voter in the state of Ohio, and you contact us before Sunday the 4th, you can be an election monitor and participate as part of our team. There are 88 Counties in Ohio, and thousands of polling places. Get out and be the boots on the ground and help us stop this fraud before it happens. Contact us at [e-mail] to get involved.

Money. If you are not in Ohio, but you still wish to help, consider making some small donation to the Free Press. We are a small organization that lives on microdonations. Please earmark your donation for "election defense" so that we may spend your donation in line with stated donor intent. Donations to the Free Press in general wont make us cry either.

Social Media Force Multipliers: We need people to repost, chain email, flike. fshare, tweet, pin etc our election monitoring results. If you are far away you can still have a say.


Remember folks this is your Democracy. Yours to cherish and Yours to Defend. Governments dont defend democracy, Citizens do! Be in touch

[bkkyosemite]

148. Thank you so much for what you do. Please any one in Ohio please help

as volunteers if you can.

A question? How can you know if the machine will flip a vote. Can there be a anti flip code to prevent this from happening to a machine?

I will donate to you as small as I am able to but everything counts in this war on vote fraud.

[bkkyosemite]

149. Everyone please go here and read the link involves the vote flipping

Ohio is mentioned and other states.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021647022

[Its Time We Wake Up]

151. Was reading about this

and my research led me here. Its good to see so many that are taking some sort of action. I wonder how much more action it will take to get our nation to stop trying to suppress, disenfranchise, obstruct, and if all else fails... steal votes and reassign to others. Countless investigations have been done, yet these machines with no paper ballots to verify.... they still are everywhere in this country. This is unacceptable.

Just think how easy it is to place malignant code into a home computer. Teenage hackers can do this. A company that builds/operates these machines can install code to flip votes. Would they? It looks like they already have. If they cannot provide a paper ballot and a paper trail, which would then be placed in a separate box after verification by the voter.... then they need to be run out of business.

[pj9728]

157. Voting Maching Fraud Really Scare Me!

I'm one to not normally believe in conspiracy theories but Election Fraud really scares me! I think the American people have been set up in this cycle for a really big election fraud by the Republicans based on a number of occurrences:
. GOP continues to claim voter fraud at the voting booth with so little history of it
. GOP pushes voter suppression in Republican States to the limit
. The Tea Party (as much as I hate them) was claiming irregularities in the Republican contest that Romney won but couldn’t figure it out
. The National polling results are really wonky especially the ones from Republican tied companies
. Polls show a massive drop in support for Obama … because of one poor debate performance? (That debate performance opened the door for Republicans to explain a massive shifting of support)
. Maybe my head is in the ground but too many of the 47% seems to be dismissing Romney but the polls are showing an opposite trend
. Certain GOP surrogates keep blowing the racist whistle and the abortion position in a tight election but these “gaffs” seem to have little impact when these people should be keeping their mouths shut
. Electronic Voting machines in Republican controlled swing states that are owned by Republican tied companies & their secrete propriety software contracts... how is this allowed?
. There does not seems to be much concern in the Republican Party about losing the election
. New articles surfacing with mathematical analysis of unexplainable voting trends/results ie: http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html#.UI0qyek1-fc.twitter

Something just isn’t adding up. I believe that Romney & a small group of Republicans are floating all this disinformation so when the final results are available that shows a Romney win, it will just be chalked up to a hard battle that Obama lost. Instead there will have been massive voting fraud in the background as a result of Electronic Voting Machines that have been stealthily preprogrammed to subtlety shit the results to Romney’s favor.
Please God, help America stay a Democracy by the People for the People!

[bkkyosemite]

162. I believe you are very close to the truth. Hoping something can be done.

[reusrename]

163. They are now purging News articles on "vote flipping" from the internet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021664507#post22

To me, this is more evidence that they are flipping votes in order to steal races in this election.

[Mc Mike]

164. The infamous '4 years later' kick.

A couple of the post-ers in this thread are no longer with the site because they 'didn't agree to abide by the terms of service'. I don't know what that involved.

But there is a lot of good data and contact info in the sub posts, for people who think the election was manipulated electronically and want to reach out to official oversight orgs.