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gab13by13

(21,611 posts)
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 09:03 AM Dec 2021

Reminder about Trump's day yesterday.

I don't want to move on from this. I want this to be the narrative for more than 1 day.

The AG of NY, Letitia James summoned Trump for a deposition on Jan. 7th. This action means that she has all of the goods (documents) to indict Trump. She is doing the civil investigation/trial where intent doesn't need to be proven, it matters not whether Trump shows up for the deposition, he/his organization stands to lose hundreds of millions of dollars.

Oh yeah, the 3 judge Appeals court unanimously upheld the District court's decision that Trump does not have executive authority over the release of White House documents. In a blistering decision the court basically said that Trump made no valid argument and that our country has 1 president at a time and that president is Joseph Biden. This decision importantly, also means that Steve Bannon and Mark Meadows, and any other traitor can't claim Trump's now bogus executive immunity.

Just a reminder for Trump if he wants to immoralize, or was that memorialize a wonderful day yesterday.

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Reminder about Trump's day yesterday. (Original Post) gab13by13 Dec 2021 OP
I saw that news yesterday, and I'm right there with you on this, my dear gab13by13! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2021 #1
HELL YES!!! Raster Dec 2021 #4
Oh, The Irony would be SO fabulous! ... electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #10
I agree DENVERPOPS Dec 2021 #58
Too bad she had other plans for the day prior. n/t Harker Dec 2021 #2
??? msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #16
I just thought January 6 would've been a good historical juxtaposition. n/t Harker Dec 2021 #30
I did, too, except it's actually better for the day after Jan. 6. calimary Dec 2021 #41
I think you have it right. Harker Dec 2021 #43
"A day that will live......... MyOwnPeace Dec 2021 #3
Will this do in the meantime? Fritz Walter Dec 2021 #33
Forgot about this! Even more on target after all we know now! LuckyLib Dec 2021 #57
And the ending scene? MyOwnPeace Dec 2021 #59
That family will not be having happy holidays. May this be just the beginning of their ensnarement. JudyM Dec 2021 #5
I wonder if this is why Ms. James just decided not to run for Gov. TheRickles Dec 2021 #6
I wondered that too, and if she thought mrsadm Dec 2021 #9
Taking down Trump will give her much more political capital than running for Gov in a crowded field! Beastly Boy Dec 2021 #11
Now THAT'S an interesting idea! calimary Dec 2021 #42
I like your thinking here! n/t ms liberty Dec 2021 #45
It was a good day for justice. CaptainTruth Dec 2021 #7
Why wait until Jan 7th? Why wait a single moment to bring all this to public justice. jaxexpat Dec 2021 #8
He got his butt kicked big time vlyons Dec 2021 #12
Trump - introspective? MyOwnPeace Dec 2021 #60
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #13
Remember, the Tish James investigation is civil not criminal. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #14
"Hundreds of millions of dollars". SergeStorms Dec 2021 #54
Most important part of the ruling against Trump: CaptainTruth Dec 2021 #15
That info makes my heart sing with hope. msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #17
James has Trump nailed, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #20
Trump will not run out the clock on Letitia James. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #23
No that's not it, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #27
I agree with that. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #29
Trump will just declare bankruptcy again NewJeffCT Dec 2021 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #47
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #35
Yeah the Appeals court put the shaft to Bannon and Meadows, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #18
Indeed! msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #36
I just have to do this; gab13by13 Dec 2021 #21
Wonder how TFG will try to delay the deposition Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #24
James is smart, and determined, she will nail Trump. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #28
Think the Seven Springs property and easement deal Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #50
I think he has to wash his orange mop on that day.. msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #37
I missed all of this yesterday... msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #25
The Appeals court gave Trump 14 days to appeal to the SC. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #32
it's interesting to read the twitter thread on this point msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #51
Amy Corney Barrett thinks all pregancies should be carried to term SouthernDem4ever Dec 2021 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #55
OT but, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #31
Delicious. I won't watch any news today so I can just savor this housecat Dec 2021 #40
But Fox's Christmas tree burned down lame54 Dec 2021 #44
The next best thing to tRump croaking and putting himself out of his misery Blue Owl Dec 2021 #48
Thank You for posting...K and R. Stuart G Dec 2021 #49
Thank you we need to acknowledge this ☺️ Murphyb849 Dec 2021 #52
God I hope they actually do hold him accountable. Kablooie Dec 2021 #56

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,941 posts)
1. I saw that news yesterday, and I'm right there with you on this, my dear gab13by13!
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 09:39 AM
Dec 2021

It's great that Letitia James is pursuing this topic so vigorously. Just consider how upset TFG will be if she's the one who brings him down!

A woman and a POC. Perfect!

Raster

(20,998 posts)
4. HELL YES!!!
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 10:01 AM
Dec 2021

Letitia James has been COURAGEOUS and has every last one of her legal ducks in a row.

BRING. HIM. DOWN!

electric_blue68

(15,073 posts)
10. Oh, The Irony would be SO fabulous! ...
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 10:42 AM
Dec 2021

I'd imagine that VP Kamala, Rep Waters, Stacey Abrams, and more will have big smiles.

As will I.

DENVERPOPS

(8,989 posts)
58. I agree
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:24 AM
Dec 2021

but I have to believe that every single last document was shredded long before he ever left the Whitehouse. Just like Oliver North and his secretary did......................

AND

If the Federal Authorities actually come for him, he will have already absconded to some unknown foreign location on some Republican Billionaires Gulfstream. Either that,

Or he will call on his followers to all come, en masse, immediately to Mar-a-Dingo to defend him from the Democrat Authorities.........
He and Desatin should have no problem assembling tens of thousands of Floridians on a moments notice if not many more.......

msfiddlestix

(7,290 posts)
16. ???
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:10 AM
Dec 2021

I'm trying to catch up... I'm trying to understand what I missed yesterday. The OP points to Jan 7th regarding a deposition appointment TFG ignored on bogus grounds, that was nearly a year ago. I'm guessing a critical legal/court decision connected to the NY's AG filings but don't know exactly what that was... and then I came across your post and now I'm even more confused.

Do I need to google?




calimary

(81,671 posts)
41. I did, too, except it's actually better for the day after Jan. 6.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 02:48 PM
Dec 2021

It’ll mean far fewer distractions from the “one year ago today…” retrospectives on the insurrection. That needs to be aired ALL DAY that day. So we’re all reminded.

And then, let this new “Bad Day for the donald” suck up all the oxygen the next day, directly on the heels of the Jan. 6 anniversary.

Like bookends from hell.

MyOwnPeace

(16,959 posts)
3. "A day that will live.........
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 09:50 AM
Dec 2021

in Trump's evil mind - forever!" ' - or at least until we see that famous scene of him being marched out of Merde-a-Lardo in cuffs (from the movie "Fat Man Walking!" ).



TheRickles

(2,126 posts)
6. I wonder if this is why Ms. James just decided not to run for Gov.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 10:37 AM
Dec 2021

She wants to finish the job she started as AG.

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
9. I wondered that too, and if she thought
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 10:41 AM
Dec 2021

it was more important to get Trump than to pursue her own ambitions. If so I am very grateful!

Beastly Boy

(9,630 posts)
11. Taking down Trump will give her much more political capital than running for Gov in a crowded field!
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 10:53 AM
Dec 2021

And the political capital will stay with her for the reest of her life. She is relatively young, and she has places to go. SCOTUS is not out of the question by any means.

calimary

(81,671 posts)
42. Now THAT'S an interesting idea!
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 02:50 PM
Dec 2021

Letitia James winding up as a future SCOTUS justice.

That would be FANTASTIC!!!

jaxexpat

(6,926 posts)
8. Why wait until Jan 7th? Why wait a single moment to bring all this to public justice.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 10:40 AM
Dec 2021

I want to see live coverage of a real trial with a real jury and it needs to happen NOW, to have already happened.

Okay.....I get it.......even if there is a trial it won't be covered live....there's no precedent for the trying of an ex-president. Will it all be pushed off until the mid-terms?

Everybody in the world needs to see the US federal government clean its own mess up. Can't count on the USSC to faithfully decide in the favor of justice since they're OBVIOUSLY political. Still, they are almost certain to be the final word on the matter. How does that make you feel? Do you feel like you've been hit in the stomach again? Like you did the morning when you woke to find that Trump was elected? Maybe it's just indigestion from all the lying propaganda we've swallowed for so many decades. Like when you uncover the layers of this country's history to find, at the bottom of it all, preserved like a holy relic, evidence of a dark secret that no one should ever keep. The scent of an evil which hid itself behind a mask. The masked lie upon which our nation was founded.

The lie is that our founders accomplished the formation of a functional democracy. Democracy cannot exist where people are enslaved and women are 2nd class citizens. Democracy exists only when and where every citizen's vote is counted and every citizen votes. Without the shroud of "electors" or the fraud of voting district boundaries. It's because of these perversely extraneous institutionalizations that we find ourselves at this impasse without a means to move toward safe and solid ground, somewhere beyond violence. Living in a fear of the jungle's inconvenience, we just trudge along into our sad containment.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
12. He got his butt kicked big time
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 10:55 AM
Dec 2021

So if and when he gets indicted for tax fraud and/or perjury, do think he will hop a plane to Russia, rather than do a perp walk?

I want that bastard sitting in a very very small gray cell for the rest of his life with nothing to do but contemplate how he got himself there. Not that it matters, because the chances of him having an ah-ha moment, where he realizes that he did it to himself are slim and none. Nope, he will persist in the delusion that he's a victim, and "they" did it to him/

MyOwnPeace

(16,959 posts)
60. Trump - introspective?
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 05:34 PM
Dec 2021

HA!

Slob's only thoughts will be about how he could possible screw someone/anyone else sitting there in his cell block - before they screw him (if you 'know' what I mean!)

gab13by13

(21,611 posts)
14. Remember, the Tish James investigation is civil not criminal.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 10:56 AM
Dec 2021

Cy Vance jr. is doing the criminal investigation but both are cooperating with one another.

The James trial will cost the Trump organization hundreds of millions of dollars if he loses, Trump will not go to jail.

Letitia James is ready for trial, she doesn't need Trump's deposition, she has the documents, and the good thing about a civil trial, she can use his taking the 5th against him and she doesn't have to prove intent.

SergeStorms

(19,208 posts)
54. "Hundreds of millions of dollars".
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 12:16 AM
Dec 2021

The Orange Pig has grifted far more than that from the suckers who bought stock in his "media empire", and his cult members keep throwing money his way like they're printing it in their garages (they probably are). And we'll probably never know how much he stole from the American people while squatting in the White House.

The Orange Pig won't lose a penny of his own money, even if he's found guilty in New York, guilty of tax evasion, and guilty of every other con he's perpetrated.

King Con has already stolen more than he could ever lose in judgements. And they say crime doesn't pay. "They" never met King Con.

CaptainTruth

(6,637 posts)
15. Most important part of the ruling against Trump:
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:06 AM
Dec 2021

"The Committee is investigating a singular event in this nation's history, in which there is a sufficient factual predicate for inferring that former President Trump and his advisors played a materially relevant role."

For emphasis, the judges wrote "there is a sufficient factual predicate for inferring that former President Trump and his advisors played a materially relevant role"

I believe this is the first time any court has said Trump & his cabal played a "materially relevant role" in the 1/6 insurrection. I don't think I need to explain how significant that is, to have that statement come from judges in a court.

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gab13by13

(21,611 posts)
19. James has Trump nailed,
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:16 AM
Dec 2021

signed, sealed, and delivered. Cy Vance Jr. hasn't decided yet on a criminal prosecution and his term is almost up, maybe that's for the better if the new guy takes over?

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gab13by13

(21,611 posts)
26. No that's not it,
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:39 AM
Dec 2021

James is doing a civil case, basically involving 3 Trump properties. He over-valued their worth when getting a loan but under-valued their worth when paying taxes. The range of values that Trump used was astronomical. This isn't just about avoiding taxes, it could also involve defrauding investors, and bank fraud. Experts that I listened to on TV claim that the Trump Organization is probably liable for hundreds of millions of dollars.

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msfiddlestix

(7,290 posts)
35. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 12:54 PM
Dec 2021

I love how well you cut through the weeds to get to the nut of the matter for people like me...


again!

gab13by13

(21,611 posts)
18. Yeah the Appeals court put the shaft to Bannon and Meadows,
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:13 AM
Dec 2021

and the rest of the traitors who plan to use Trump's executive privilege argument.

I hope that Merrick Garland read the Appeal court's decision, those 3 judges get it.

msfiddlestix

(7,290 posts)
36. Indeed!
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 12:55 PM
Dec 2021

I hope that Merrick Garland read the Appeal court's decision, those 3 judges get it.


We shall see, eventually I suppose.

gab13by13

(21,611 posts)
21. I just have to do this;
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:19 AM
Dec 2021

Republican set in stone dogma; One President At A Time, and that president is Joseph Biden, so says the Appeals court.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
24. Wonder how TFG will try to delay the deposition
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:24 AM
Dec 2021

Has golf match on January 7th?

I was reading up on when Eric got deposed in October last year. I read that they challenged the validity of a state subpoena. But then I could never find anything to substantiate that. All I can find was that Eric tried to delay until after the election. Due to his travel schedule LOL. They didn't buy that.

gab13by13

(21,611 posts)
28. James is smart, and determined, she will nail Trump.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:47 AM
Dec 2021

Yes she forced Eric to testify which makes me wonder what cats did he leave out of the bag?

I repeat, the civil prosecution is much easier to get a conviction than a criminal trial. James does not have to prove intent. Trump is good at having his kids put their names on documents to protect himself, he did that in his money laundering tower in Baku, Azebaijan, he had Ivanka put her name on that tower that never opened for business. This is different, the Trump Organization is going to be out a lot of money no matter who Trump tries to blame, and he would throw his kids under the bus if he could.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
39. Think the Seven Springs property and easement deal
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 01:25 PM
Dec 2021

Is very interesting. Remembering listening to a story about an NPR last year.

Here's a good WSJ explanation too.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-organization-considers-sale-of-its-seven-springs-property-11602793724

Bet you any money trump coerced the appraisers.

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msfiddlestix

(7,290 posts)
37. I think he has to wash his orange mop on that day..
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 12:58 PM
Dec 2021

and then yeah, has a golf match with the Saudis Prince, if memory serves.





gab13by13

(21,611 posts)
32. The Appeals court gave Trump 14 days to appeal to the SC.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:57 AM
Dec 2021

We are all hoping that the SC refuses to take the case. It takes 4 justices to take on a case and the court may not have the 4. If it does take on the case it certainly needs to be expedited. I don't believe that Chief Justice Roberts wants his court to be known as the flood gate that opened our country to autocracy.

msfiddlestix

(7,290 posts)
34. it's interesting to read the twitter thread on this point
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 12:39 PM
Dec 2021

it's been suggested that SCOTUS is likely to refuse to hear the case for a preliminary injunction matter, with the caveat that the courts do surprise legal eagles. (my words)

The speculative thinking is that is not likely. xfingers

thanks!

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SouthernDem4ever

(6,618 posts)
53. Amy Corney Barrett thinks all pregancies should be carried to term
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 12:14 AM
Dec 2021

and then give the baby up for adoption. She is pretty stupidly insane to make a blanket judgement on all women and all situations.

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gab13by13

(21,611 posts)
31. OT but,
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 11:52 AM
Dec 2021

let us not sweep the National Guard whistleblower's claim that the military slow walked and lied to Congress about the delay in deploying the guard. General Flynn has to have a superior officer, I would love to see the military investigate Flynn, a fair and impartial investigation.

Blue Owl

(50,706 posts)
48. The next best thing to tRump croaking and putting himself out of his misery
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 08:26 PM
Dec 2021

Would be for his fat ass to be in a jail cell...

Kablooie

(18,658 posts)
56. God I hope they actually do hold him accountable.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 03:05 AM
Dec 2021

But I'm not going to hold my breath.

Our legal system seems to offer an infinite amount of escape hatches if you are a hardcore con man, cheat and grifter with no morals.

Trump is the world expert at is preventing the legal system from ever holding him accountable for anything.

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