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(31,081 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)If he considered himself a democrat, he would have used "we" and not "they."
Walleye
(31,081 posts)dem4decades
(11,307 posts)Staph
(6,253 posts)"They" could simply be referring to those who have to defend their seats in 2022.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
iemanja
(53,076 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:52 AM - Edit history (1)
He may not think of himself as a Republican, but he definitely thinks of himself as superior to Democrats.
NJCher
(35,764 posts)Self enrichment, and especially self enrichment of the fossil fuel ilk.
If those are the standards, hes superior.
Lunabell
(6,127 posts)He really needs to be primaried.
summer_in_TX
(2,762 posts)He is the only Democrat who is able to be elected state-wide in West Virginia.
He ensures a Dem is Senate Majority Leader and that the heads of every single Senate Committee is a Democrat or votes with Democrats.
The solution is to elect more Dems so his vote is not a roadblock.
ShazzieB
(16,561 posts)Brian Williams was talking about Manchin tonight and how astounding it is for a candidate with a D next to their name to win a statewide race in WV, where Trump got over 2/3 of the vote in 2020. He also quipped that the state is so red it can be seen from space.
As much of a pita as Manchin can be (and I get as exasperated with him as anyone else here), he's helping keep Mitch out of the majority leader seat, and that is a very BFD. If McConnell was majority leader, he'd be making sure NONE of Bidens agenda ever get passed. Build Back Better would be dead in the water right now.
Since the possibility of any other Democrat winning a Senate race in WV is somewhere between "Ha ha no" and "When pigs fly," primarying Manchin is the LAST thing the party needs to do.
Raine
(30,541 posts)Lunabell
(6,127 posts)We need Democrats who support the President 100%. If he wins elections good for him, but it doesn't help the party if he isn't willing to bring the people to our table. Winning elections is just a power play for him and his ego. The party needs candidates who bring our message to the people because Biden's agenda is best for the country and for the people of W. Virginia.
summer_in_TX
(2,762 posts)The Senate Majority Leader sets the agenda for items that get voted on.
If Manchin is taken out, that becomes McConnell who won't pass ANY of Biden's legislation or confirm ANY of his nominees. He's not called Dr. No and Dr. Death for nothing.
All committee chairs are then Republicans who will begin investigating and grandstanding, including manufacturing reasons to impeach Biden.
Think they won't? They are a very vindictive lot almost to a person.
If we can gain seats in the Senate in 2022, then Manchin becomes less important right away, at least for budget items.
AZProgressive
(29,322 posts)It will be because we couldnt get much done because of Manchin. That as well as partisan gerrymandering will be why.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)blame on Democratic policies.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)chowder66
(9,087 posts)Where is he getting his information from that they should be concerned? His republican friends?
Blue Owl
(50,529 posts)Its time for concern....
certainot
(9,090 posts)creates the made-to-order constituencies that he serves
what the doomsayers don't understand is that even if progressives continue to ignore rw radio it, like trumpism, rots with limbaugh - GOP/putin central messaging is doomed without the moral and intellectual leader of the republican party the last 30 years. they're falling apart, they have no head, without limbaugh, and if manchin thinks the republican party will be a pleasant place he is a fucking idiot.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,584 posts)If I live long enough, I'm sure some future historian will blame both parties for the fall, too.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)My dad died from covid. Do NOT give me any false pieties about "Vote Blue, No Matter Who"
This is the red line for me.
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)Perhaps you're happy for him that he profited handsomely from being in office while doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the State West Virginia.
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)He voted to give Senate control to the Democrats.
He voted in favor of President Bidens cabinet members.
He voted in favor of President Bidenbs Judges.
He voted in favor of the Infrastructure Bill.
He voted in favor of the ACA in 2010.
He voted in favor of convicting Donald Trump. Twice.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)Best he's gotten his Maserati up to 185mph too.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)trumpanzee won't want him and his political career will be over once he leaves the party.
Vinca
(50,318 posts)It's infuriating. It's fine to negotiate bills, but the year (and counting) of negotiations is really, really negative for Dems. And now he seems to be jumping on the "freedom from vaccination" bandwagon. I've had it with the guy.