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U.S. military dogs in Kabul evacuated from the city's airport among other officials (Original Post) ansible Aug 2021 OP
Good. BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #1
Good nt XanaDUer2 Aug 2021 #2
Yes, good! lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #46
They should prioritize humans mucifer Aug 2021 #3
They are BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #4
Dogs shouldn't be sent back before interpreters. mucifer Aug 2021 #6
Interpreters aren't being sent back Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #9
Not one dog should come back before an interpreter. Can you imagine how insulting that is ? mucifer Aug 2021 #10
Our American troops are no leaving without their dogs, period Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #11
Dogs don't need seats on the plane. LisaL Aug 2021 #12
These poor interpreters were paid very very well for their services. pwb Aug 2021 #19
Their country is not a shithole. MiroJarvis Aug 2021 #48
What people? pwb Aug 2021 #49
Afghanistan MiroJarvis Aug 2021 #53
"You people"? Hekate Aug 2021 #52
Yes. You people. MiroJarvis Aug 2021 #54
The K9s also risked their lives, and are US military personnel obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #20
Post removed Post removed Aug 2021 #23
The dogs won't be kept in the passenger area of the plane. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #36
+1000 lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #47
K9 soldiers are soldiers. WarGamer Aug 2021 #13
THIS StarryNite Aug 2021 #27
Yup, they are NCOs obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #33
Not to mention bonded with their handlers. intheflow Aug 2021 #38
The cost of training a single animal can be $20,000 to $40,000. EX500rider Aug 2021 #22
I doubt the dogs will be flying in first class. hamsterjill Aug 2021 #7
Police dogs are considered police officers. LisaL Aug 2021 #8
NCO's technically DetroitLegalBeagle Aug 2021 #14
They are legally NCOs obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #21
They are also military weapons. Aside from the cruel betrayal of their handlers Hortensis Aug 2021 #25
I think I would have shot my dog before abandoning it there. alphafemale Aug 2021 #39
Yes, abandoning a pet anywhere is dreadfully cruel, but there is no Hortensis Aug 2021 #40
Yes. Thankfully they have changed that policy. alphafemale Aug 2021 #43
I doubt abandoning military canines was ever a policy Hortensis Aug 2021 #50
Offs, what's wrong with you? These dogs are on par with other soldiers Arazi Aug 2021 #16
cats are considered clean animals, dogs are not. I agree XanaDUer2 Aug 2021 #35
I support evacuating the dogs. Those dogs worked long and hard for the US totodeinhere Aug 2021 #31
Is this an attempt at public shaming? Politicub Aug 2021 #37
Good!!! hamsterjill Aug 2021 #5
Good! Bayard Aug 2021 #15
Good. Wingus Dingus Aug 2021 #17
Good, they are US military members obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #18
They're military assets. Lots of money and work go into Wingus Dingus Aug 2021 #24
Exactly, and they really are NCOs obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #32
Those doggies will have a long time in the cargo hold FakeNoose Aug 2021 #26
I'm pretty sure they've all been on a plane before. GoCubsGo Aug 2021 #44
Glad to hear they are being evacuated. Coventina Aug 2021 #28
Ears up! Danascot Aug 2021 #29
"Bag of peanutz, pleez." Wingus Dingus Aug 2021 #34
Good! Saffron Walden Aug 2021 #30
Excellent news! demmiblue Aug 2021 #41
These highly trained fur soldiers North Shore Chicago Aug 2021 #42
Good ... for sure the Taliban would kill them if they got a hold of them Raine Aug 2021 #45
I should hope so Hekate Aug 2021 #51

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
9. Interpreters aren't being sent back
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:06 PM
Aug 2021

They're Afghani, they're from Afghanistan. Getting them out is complicated, mind you that not all of them are leaving or want to leave.

We've already evacuated a few thousand interpreters, how many are really left?

mucifer

(23,565 posts)
10. Not one dog should come back before an interpreter. Can you imagine how insulting that is ?
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:06 PM
Aug 2021

Try putting yourself as an interpreter who risked their life but was unable to get out with the knowledge that American dogs are getting out.

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
11. Our American troops are no leaving without their dogs, period
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:11 PM
Aug 2021

We're getting Americans out first, that includes their service animals.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
12. Dogs don't need seats on the plane.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:12 PM
Aug 2021

They are either going cargo or under the seat.
Do you think humans should be put under the seat? Dogs are not taking anyone's seat.

pwb

(11,288 posts)
19. These poor interpreters were paid very very well for their services.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:31 PM
Aug 2021

They could afford to move their families out of that shithole long ago. They have an international airport? The dogs should fly first class. This is all part of the Putin and puke horror show. I don't by it. Get out and don't look back. 20 years is enough.

pwb

(11,288 posts)
49. What people?
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 05:18 PM
Aug 2021

I did not say shit hole country you did. Shit hole to me depends on the circumstances. Presently it appears to be a shit hole. What do your people call it?

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
20. The K9s also risked their lives, and are US military personnel
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:33 PM
Aug 2021

Sorry, Americans first, then Afghanis. The dogs are Americans, and are also military. Leaving them there is tantamount to murder, and abandoning US troops.

Response to mucifer (Reply #10)

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
36. The dogs won't be kept in the passenger area of the plane.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 02:12 PM
Aug 2021

Taking back dogs will have no impact on the number of interpreters that we can fit on the planes. Your outrage is misplaced.

intheflow

(28,501 posts)
38. Not to mention bonded with their handlers.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 06:29 PM
Aug 2021

A soldier forced to leave behind a fellow soldier and dog will have extra special PTSD knowing they participated in animal cruelty against their best friend and most faithful companion in addition to everything else.

EX500rider

(10,858 posts)
22. The cost of training a single animal can be $20,000 to $40,000.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:36 PM
Aug 2021

And they are serving US military members.

hamsterjill

(15,224 posts)
7. I doubt the dogs will be flying in first class.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:04 PM
Aug 2021

I’m sure they will not be taking a place fit for a human. But they served and they deserve to get out!

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
8. Police dogs are considered police officers.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:04 PM
Aug 2021

So I am assuming military dogs are considered military officers.

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
21. They are legally NCOs
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:35 PM
Aug 2021

And usually are higher ranked then their military handlers.

They are literally and legally military soldiers/airmen/marines/petty officers.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. They are also military weapons. Aside from the cruel betrayal of their handlers
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:43 PM
Aug 2021

abandoning or killing them, they're very highly trained for various military duties, including detecting IUDs and running people down and killing them, and could not be left behind for Taliban use.

Anyway, none of these should be either-or decisions. We erred in the disruption of the end of this civil war in not being able to save everyone we had a duty to, including dogs. And then there would have been vast disagreement on who that was.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
39. I think I would have shot my dog before abandoning it there.
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 07:11 PM
Aug 2021

That would be a fate worse than quick death.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Yes, abandoning a pet anywhere is dreadfully cruel, but there is no
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 08:45 AM
Aug 2021

chance our military would have done that to their canine members.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. I doubt abandoning military canines was ever a policy
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 05:47 PM
Aug 2021

of our modern military, but sure; they're valued as they should be, and of course especially emotionally by their human partners.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
16. Offs, what's wrong with you? These dogs are on par with other soldiers
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:27 PM
Aug 2021

And I guarantee you, they'll be just as viciously treated as any American soldier if they were captured by the Taliban who believe dogs are even more inferior than infidels.

They'll fly in their crates in cargo so no, they won't take up space in the cabin for any of the (equally) valuable interpreters we can get out as well

XanaDUer2

(10,728 posts)
35. cats are considered clean animals, dogs are not. I agree
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 01:38 PM
Aug 2021

100% with you.

We should abandon highly-trained dog soldiers to wander the street of Afghanistan being shot or worse. ? They didn't volunteer for this.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
31. I support evacuating the dogs. Those dogs worked long and hard for the US
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 01:18 PM
Aug 2021

military and they deserve to get out just like anyone else. And their lives are just as precious as human life. We are just another of many species living on this planet.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
37. Is this an attempt at public shaming?
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 02:26 PM
Aug 2021

The thought of writing a post about prioritizing humans seems cruel, written to evoke a certain kind of response. As if we have a choice, those of us here.

We are all sitting in our comfortable perches, despairing over images from Afghanistan, worrying about the plights of people who are left behind. We are collectively dealing with horrific images in our own way.

Then we have a bit of a respite from our sadness. The original post. It is brief. Perhaps it lasts for five seconds. Many of us love dogs. I do, and they give me happiness, without any judgement. This time it is bittersweet.

Our words typed on screens are ultimately meaningless. Perhaps it feels powerful to prompt a shame response--a bastardization of influencer clout.

Your post did this to me, mucifer. I don't know who you are and what you prioritize in life, but I would like for you to know that, indeed, you jolted me out of a moment of solemn appreciation that people love their animals, and it is good that they are being saved. People should be saved, too.

You should know that it is also good to allow people some brief tears of gratitude before we head back into a sea of awfulness and impotent thoughts.

obamanut2012

(26,137 posts)
18. Good, they are US military members
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:31 PM
Aug 2021

The "humans are more important" folks don't get any notice from me. That is such a weird attitude, especially for these doggos who are literally US personnel. US citizens first, and that includes the K9s.

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
26. Those doggies will have a long time in the cargo hold
Mon Aug 16, 2021, 12:46 PM
Aug 2021

Maybe they'll get sedated before the flight. The poor things have probably never been on a plane before. Have a safe trip!

GoCubsGo

(32,092 posts)
44. I'm pretty sure they've all been on a plane before.
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:24 PM
Aug 2021

Probably more than once. That's how they got to Afghanistan in the first place. These are military dogs, not strays the troops befriended. They were likely born at the base in San Antonio, where the military dog program is based. They'll be fine. They'll probably get reassigned elsewhere in the Middle East or in Europe, so they're probably not going to spend really long periods in the air. Besides, dogs are den animals. They'll be in crates, where they'll fell much safer than they would be outside of them.

North Shore Chicago

(3,326 posts)
42. These highly trained fur soldiers
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 10:11 AM
Aug 2021

deserve being evacuated like any American human! Some of these dogs have probably saved numerous lives as well as they put their lives in harms way to save lives.

Why is a DU'er causing unnecessary drama about this? He/She has Snoopy as an avatar for crying out loud.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
45. Good ... for sure the Taliban would kill them if they got a hold of them
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 04:41 PM
Aug 2021

feeling the way they do about dogs and these dogs are true soldiers and heroes.

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