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dogknob

(2,431 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2021, 12:27 AM Feb 2021

Scientists develop transparent wood that is stronger and lighter than glass

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scientists-develop-transparent-wood-that-is-stronger-and-lighter-than-glass-1.5902739

Wood is made of two basic ingredients: cellulose, which are tiny fibres, and lignin, which bonds those fibres together to give it strength.

Early attempts to make transparent wood involved removing the lignin, but this involved hazardous chemicals, high temperatures and a lot of time, making the product expensive and somewhat brittle. The new technique is so cheap and easy it could literally be done in a backyard.

More (+ photos) at link...
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/scientists-develop-transparent-wood-that-is-stronger-and-lighter-than-glass-1.5902739
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Scientists develop transparent wood that is stronger and lighter than glass (Original Post) dogknob Feb 2021 OP
Dang! That would be fun to build with. Phoenix61 Feb 2021 #1
At first, I thought--why would you want transparent wood? Bayard Feb 2021 #2
Oooo, fascinating! electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #7
First thing I thought of! 3catwoman3 Feb 2021 #13
👍 great movie one of my favs electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #22
Transparent AL was first! Gore1FL Feb 2021 #23
Holy Crackers! I did not know this. Thanks! electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #28
NOT NOW MADELINE! bedazzled Feb 2021 #36
See through walls dweller Feb 2021 #3
That would sort of end the cliche... Xolodno Feb 2021 #4
WTF! Goodheart Feb 2021 #5
You can, but you won't be able to see the forest... or the trees soothsayer Feb 2021 #9
WOW. That will revolutionize buildings and homes as far as insulation goes. Vivienne235729 Feb 2021 #6
Wow! That's really exciting! lunatica Feb 2021 #8
Are we going to kill more trees now? Or learn to be responsible somehow soothsayer Feb 2021 #10
Well there's always the possibility that we might lunatica Feb 2021 #11
Yes! Maybe we'll understand their value more better soothsayer Feb 2021 #12
I was taken by the science. But this is true. electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #30
No transparent aluminum? yuiyoshida Feb 2021 #14
There it is. Hong Kong Cavalier Feb 2021 #17
Now you made me want to go watch that whole movie! I'm trying to clean my apartment! NBachers Feb 2021 #18
Rent it!! yuiyoshida Feb 2021 #20
Et voila! Happy Hoosier Feb 2021 #32
Sou KA!!! Arigatou gozaimashita! yuiyoshida Feb 2021 #34
Awesome NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2021 #35
make that transparent aluminum lapfog_1 Feb 2021 #15
hmmm Kali Feb 2021 #16
what??? peroxide + sunlight + epoxy - so easy. Why hasnt this been thought of before???? Theres an Kashkakat v.2.0 Feb 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author C Moon Feb 2021 #21
See through wood... BComplex Feb 2021 #24
That is just SO amazing. PatrickforO Feb 2021 #25
That's Faux pas Feb 2021 #26
Can they try this with bamboo? Wicked Blue Feb 2021 #27
Oooo, interesting! electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #29
Cool! But, A Nit To Pick ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #31
The samples shown were 1mm thick. MineralMan Feb 2021 #33
Gonna make shower time the new neighborhood watch. Solly Mack Feb 2021 #37

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
1. Dang! That would be fun to build with.
Sun Feb 7, 2021, 12:34 AM
Feb 2021

All kinds of cool things come to mind. Clear decks and stair case stringers, bunk bed frames, mail box posts, table bases.... where do I order?

Bayard

(22,172 posts)
2. At first, I thought--why would you want transparent wood?
Sun Feb 7, 2021, 12:34 AM
Feb 2021

Then,
"As window material, it would be much more resistant to accidental breakage. The clear wood is lighter than glass, with better insulating properties, which is important because windows are a major source of heat loss in buildings. It also might take less energy to manufacture clear wood because there are no high temperatures involved.

Transparent wood could become an alternative to glass in energy efficient buildings, or perhaps coverings for solar panels in harsh environments. There could be no end of uses."

electric_blue68

(14,955 posts)
7. Oooo, fascinating!
Sun Feb 7, 2021, 12:53 AM
Feb 2021

Remember when in 'The Voyage Home" Scotty talks to the Aluminum Plant Manager about 'transparent aluminum'?

Ha! Who thought wood would be first instead! 😄

3catwoman3

(24,055 posts)
13. First thing I thought of!
Sun Feb 7, 2021, 01:26 AM
Feb 2021

I love that movie. It is my favorite of all the Trek movies.

"There be whales!"

electric_blue68

(14,955 posts)
28. Holy Crackers! I did not know this. Thanks!
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 03:33 PM
Feb 2021

😄 Particularly bc I'm a Trek fan, and The Voyage Home
is one of my favorite movies!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
8. Wow! That's really exciting!
Sun Feb 7, 2021, 12:55 AM
Feb 2021

It could probably work as a painting surface for artists too.

The idea that the trees would be saved is wonderful.

Boats with transparent bottoms! Huge skylights three or four times larger than the ones used now!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
11. Well there's always the possibility that we might
Sun Feb 7, 2021, 01:01 AM
Feb 2021

actually learn to be responsible.

I say we keep trying.

electric_blue68

(14,955 posts)
30. I was taken by the science. But this is true.
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 03:47 PM
Feb 2021

Well we need a hellaluv lot more trees anyway! Maybe there can be a responsible ratio of plantings for permanence, and planting for transparent wood.

But I really like the idea of using🎋bamboo instead of🌳trees! If it is possible. 🤞

lapfog_1

(29,227 posts)
15. make that transparent aluminum
Sun Feb 7, 2021, 01:36 AM
Feb 2021

and you got yourself a Star Trek Movie..

"tell me where are the nukular wessels?"

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
19. what??? peroxide + sunlight + epoxy - so easy. Why hasnt this been thought of before???? Theres an
Sun Feb 7, 2021, 01:50 AM
Feb 2021

epoxy product made for hardening wood thats rotted - I have a bunch of it left over from repairing rotted wood on my 100 yr old house - thik Ill try making some transparent wood tomorrow LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

Response to dogknob (Original post)

ProfessorGAC

(65,227 posts)
31. Cool! But, A Nit To Pick
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 04:18 PM
Feb 2021

It is not hard to remove lignin from wood. And, it doesn't take hazardous chemicals.
Paper plants remove 80% of the lignin from wood before they chip it to make paper. Makes handling in the pulp section much easier, because the chips are smaller and less sticky.
More lignin components are removed later in the paper making process.
The paper companies refine it to get natural emulsifiers that have use in agricultural application.
They just force high pressure steam through the wood. In about 30 minutes, they move on to dry cooling.
But, another hour would remove 99% of the lignin. That's just an hour & a half for about 6 tons of wood.
It's energy & capital intensive, but not ridiculous. So, it's not a cost thing, really.
And ZERO hazardous chemicals are needed.
The reason that this isn't a common product is not for the reasons stated. More likely it's as simple as lack of demand.
This development might change that demand.

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
33. The samples shown were 1mm thick.
Wed Feb 10, 2021, 11:14 AM
Feb 2021

While that's interesting, it's not particularly useful, I think. I'm pretty sure this will not produce transparent wood in typical lumber thicknesses, starting at 3/4", which is about 19 mm. Translucent, perhaps, but far from transparent. Further, getting epoxy or other resin to fully penetrate wood of that thickness won't be easy or cheap.

1mm thick wood doesn't have a lot of uses, I'm afraid, and the difficulty with thicker materials seems to make this technology next to useless.

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