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[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Because we can't be completely satisfied with anything Biden says or does?

[Hoyt]

3. No joke. Joy Reid was just complaining that why wait until February. Christ.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

13. Heard that, and I'm like, You do know they can't roll out that plan the next day,

don't you? Because Trump's administration hasn't cooperated in the transition so they don't have enough information to get started until they know where all the assets and people are? Like maybe it will take a couple of weeks to start up the biggest disaster relief program ever?

[sheshe2]

18. IKR?

He won't even be sworn into office for another 6 days.

[IsItJustMe]

31. Amen. He is not even in office yet, and people are already complaining.

[George II]

49. Yes, because he's not.............................never mind.

[Cha]

117. lol & Thank God!

[USALiberal]

63. +1000 nt

[betsuni]

144. +1

[bullimiami]

2. It was always 2000 total. Fact got lost in the chatter .

[marmar]

8. Yep. It was my understanding that it was always $2,000 total.

[demmiblue]

10. +1

[OilemFirchen]

4. It was never $2,600.

Never.

[rogue emissary]

104. +1

[Cha]

120. TY for the Enlightenment, Oilem!

[SharonAnn]

143. That's correct!

[Skittles]

5. why wouldn't the 2000 include the 600 already given

I figured that's how it would be.

[Cetacea]

115. Why wouldn't it? It's two different bills.

It would be good if media would stop misrepresenting it as a new 2000 payment.

[Grown2Hate]

6. Honestly, it was always my understanding that this

was the case. $600 was the Repub compromise, so another $1400 would have brought the total to the original $2000 proposal.

[moonscape]

7. I always thought it wqs 2k total. n/t

[DrToast]

9. It didn't change. It was always $2000 total

[BarackTheVote]

11. It was always a total of $2000

Read the clean bill passed by the House; the Bill amended the previous bill to change $600 in all instances to $2000. So the $600 already allotted would be subtracted from the $2000.

[Blue_true]

12. I believe the original legislation Democrats passed after the $600 was approved

would give people that qualified $1,400 more.

[krawhitham]

132. +1

[we can do it]

14. Pay attention it was always $2000 total.

[dem4decades]

15. It's math. $2000, $600 down payment, $1400 paid later. If Biden wins.

[demmiblue]

19. And if Manchin doesn't fuck it up. Ugh. n/t

[dem4decades]

33. There's Republicans that need money too

[MineralMan]

16. Already with attacks on Biden?

That sounds familiar, somehow. Just let me go see...

[DrToast]

17. Yeah, it's taking off on Twitter

A bunch of lying mofos trying to pretend the House Bill wasn’t for $2,000 total so they can attack Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/28/politics/house-vote-direct-payments-2000/index.html

[MineralMan]

26. Yup.

Some people are still sore that someone lost the Democratic nomination again. Feh!

[melman]

20. How is this an attack?

[MineralMan]

23. Oh, please.

I'll just let you figure it out for yourself.

[melman]

29. Oh please nothing

It's not an attack at all.

[AmyStrange]

34. +100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2

[melman]

51. It's unbelievable

I mean is this a place to talk about politics or is it not?

[AmyStrange]

67. I'm glad you posted the question, and...

-

I didn't see it as a criticism. In my opinion, it's a legitimate discussion.

It'd be nice if everyone here would critically analyze their own conclusions, but rather than do that, they'll double down and ignore the obvious.

You really can't argue with them, and the only solution I've found is to just make a, "KICK and Thank You," reply and let their criticisms hang. Otherwise it just sidetracks the OP.
=============

[melman]

71. That's good advice

I'm going to take it and bow out of this thread.

[George II]

79. So you start a divisive thread bashing our incoming Democratic President, and you "bow out"? Sweet.

[George II]

98. um.......

[George II]

80. Wha?

[MineralMan]

39. At least wait until after the inauguration, for jebus' sake.

Can you not even do that?

[George II]

44. You posted a tweet criticizing Biden even before he took office. Not an "attack"? Oh please....

So tell us melman, what was your reason for posting that?

[melman]

47. Can you point out the critical tweet please?

Thanks.

[George II]

50. In the OP. You're welcome.

[melman]

53. The tweet from Kyle Griffin of MSNBC that contains nothing but a direct quote is critical?

How so?

[MineralMan]

54. Please proceed.

Yes, indeed...

[George II]

68. So what was your reason to post it here if not to be critical of Biden? Biden proposed....

....a lot of other things tonight, but some (you) zero in on something that is (falsely) critical.

[George II]

83. Can you answer that question before you "bow out of this thread" that YOU started? Thanks!

[George II]

94. But your subject line is YOUR words, not those in the tweet from Kyle Griffin. THAT is an attack.

[Cetacea]

121. Actually, you are the one being attacked it would appear

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

35. If it were just intended as a question about whether the proposed checks would be

$2,000 in addition to the $600 already being sent out, or $1,400 that would add to that $600 to make up the $2,000 the Democrats wanted, wouldn't it have been asked that way, instead of as an accusatory "Why did it change from $2,000 checks to $2,000 *total*?"

[MineralMan]

37. That question is too hard.

[melman]

43. That's a different question and not the one I had. The one I had is the one I posted

btw, speaking of questions I couldn't help noticing you never answered this question here

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

45. That's because I didn't care.

[betsuni]

59. ...

[melman]

62. You don't care about Republicans using violent rhetoric about "targeting" Democrats?

Okay...I guess.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

73. I don't care about arguing or being chased from thread to thread.

[Cha]

124. Exactly.

[George II]

84. What does that have to do with YOU posting an attack on Biden about his proposal tonight?

Did you actually see or read what Biden had to say this evening?

C'mon man.

[George II]

97. Yesterday's news and off topic. Why bring that up in THIS thread? Hmmmm?

[George II]

46. Exactly. Sad that it's starting already, like in a New York minute, or should I say Brooklyn minute?

[MineralMan]

56. Reminds me of 2008 and 2012, somehow.

Hmm...

[George II]

60. Indeed. Barely halfway into February 2009 and Obama was already a failed president according to some

[MineralMan]

69. Oh, it started before his first inauguration.

I have an excellent memory. Yes I do.

[George II]

72. Good memory. I guess I was too euphoric that he won so it didn't register, but....

I do know that a month or two after the inauguration the criticism was so intense I had to take almost 2 years off from this site, that's how bad it got.

[MineralMan]

76. It started right after election day, and never stopped.

I remember names, too.

Many of those names I don't see anymore, oddly enough, but some remain to carry on the tradition.

[Beringia]

74. Next it might be, he has only been there 6 months, 1 year.

What is the timeline for when to criticize anyway

[sheshe2]

90. Before we go to the next time....

perhaps a closer look at the tweet(by Kyle) would help. Constructive criticism is fine.The tweet is incorrect and it was never an additional 2K on top of the 600.

See here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214927736

By: Babylonsister

The proposal, called the American Rescue Plan, is divvied up into three buckets: $400 billion for dealing with the coronavirus, including vaccines and testing; $1 trillion in direct relief to families; and $400 billion in aid to communities and businesses. It includes money for testing, vaccines, and public health workers; $400 a week in extended federal unemployment insurance through September; rental assistance; emergency paid leave; and funding for schools reopening, among other items.



And, as Democrats promised when campaigning in Georgia, it would send out another a $1,400 in stimulus checks, bringing the total this year to $2,000.

I think we should correct the record before we attack politicians. Kyle was wrong.

[George II]

122. But it's SOOO easy to criticize without actually knowing what the facts are. Even AOC says....

....the total is $2000, i.e. "bring the $600 checks to $2000". But Biden is the elusive "eshtablishment" so he's ripe for criticism after the fact. But then you have those who throw the hand grenades and decide to "bow out"!

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

129. I am so disappointed that it would come this quickly.

There are so many good things in his proposal. Unemployment aid. Rental aid. Vaccine aid and distribution. It is not just about the money, so many will die if we don't speed this up. Projection today, 92K Americans will die in the next 3 weeks and the concern is the difference of 2000/2600.

Fact is there will be 92K that won't need that money.

Some days, I just can't even.

[IsItJustMe]

123. Don't confuse them with facts, it only pisses them off.

[George II]

114. Has Biden been inaugurated? Let's not quibble about "timeline", let's be realistic.

[IsItJustMe]

119. You could at least wait until he is president, no?

With the crazy sh!t that is going on, who the hell knows!!! One day at a time.

[Demsrule86]

70. It is an attack...nothing Biden does will be enough...and history will repeat...we end up

with no policy and GOP back in power. We need unity.

[BannonsLiver]

27. +1

The “critiques” have begun. And a week ahead of schedule, too.

[sheshe2]

30. Yep.

[George II]

52. At least they waiting until Obama took office in 2009. We have a twice-impeached president....

...who is responsible for 400,000 deaths and the first invasion of the Capitol since 1814, but they attack Biden.

[In It to Win It]

21. I always interpreted it as $2,000 total

IIRC, the idea was to replace $600 with $2000 but now that people have $600, they will be given the difference.

[George II]

88. Everyone interpreted it that way, except for those who are bitter about Biden winning.

[mcar]

22. ...

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. Fucking nickel-and-diming.

[BannonsLiver]

25. And so it begins.

[ProfessorGAC]

28. Because Not Everybody Got The $600 Yet

So, those folks will get checks for $2,000. Exactly what Biden said.
Then, the folks that did get the $600, get $1,400 to get the total.
This is not that hard.

[sheshe2]

32. It was always 2000 total.

I got my 600 and will get 1400 more.

[George II]

128. So did the OP's heroin:

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

130. She is smart, we are too.

We knew it was a combo. 600+ 1400= 2000.

[trackfan]

36. I always assumed it was $2000 total. It was ambiguous enough to

hold out hope that it might be additional check for $2000, but I wasn't counting on it.

[bdtrppr6]

38. $2000-2600

it still ain't doing shit for those really hurting. every month until this shit is over with. we have the money. ask the pentagon or your local police force.

[George II]

40. Because it was NEVER $2600! Why are you attacking Biden even before he takes office???

At least when they started attacking Obama they waited until after he took the oath of office.

[LiberalArkie]

61. But when Biden is saying $2000 checks, I never heard him say but you have already had a $600

check. They better watch it or it will be a Republican house again. They could have had a very clear message.

[Demsrule86]

75. Does he need to be that detailed...it was obvious that total would be 2000. Perhaps he

should have all of his statement notarized too... You know, we are going to lose big in 22 if we go down this road. Six years with Obama and no policy at all after he was stabbed in the back in 10...do we want a repeat of this?

[LiberalArkie]

93. The people here are a lot smarter than me or really anyone I know around here.

They look at it that Trump gave then $600

They hear that Biden is going to give $2000 when he becomes president.

Now it is being said that it is really $1400 and not right away maybe February. Kind of like the first thing Obama was going to do was eliminate the Patriot Act.

[Demsrule86]

111. He clearly meant 2000 in total and we will be lucky to get that. We have a 50-50

Split.

[BannonsLiver]

78. Most people seem to understand it.

[sheshe2]

86. Babylonsister has a good thread here that spells it all out.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214927736

A few short weeks ago, this was what was being said. This was Georgia and I was listening to everything Democrats were promising.

And, as Democrats promised when campaigning in Georgia, it would send out another a $1,400 in stimulus checks, bringing the total this year to $2,000.

[George II]

107. A republican House, really? How about an outspoken DEMOCRAT in the House? Care to comment....

"Great, now he can sign @RashidaTlaib and I’s amendment to bring the $600 checks to $2k"

Surely you're not criticizing HER, are you?

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

118. +1

[JI7]

109. I never got an actual check even though I got 600 deposited into my account .

[JI7]

116. It was a Democratic House that passed the 2000 Bill. The REpublican Senate refused to .

fuck the threats from people who care nothing about helping others. And Fuck Che Guevara also .

[IsItJustMe]

41. Not this sh!t again.

[MineralMan]

58. Predictably, yes.

[aidbo]

42. Should be $2000 per month till we can get everyone vaxxed and economy back to normal.

[Demsrule86]

81. I agree but with a 50/50 congress that includes moderate/conservative Democrats...tell me how

we can do this? We will get way more than if Trump was in office. If we screw this up, we could lose more than an election, we could lose long held Democratic policy like Social Security and even our Republic.

[bigtree]

100. "very strong first installment of an emergency relief plan"

Link to tweet

[aidbo]

48. Also,

Link to tweet

[BannonsLiver]

85. A great lesson in the value of being invested and paying attention.

Was never going to be $2600.

[betsuni]

55. Oh, I see the "Thanks, Biden" thing is well under way already.

[MineralMan]

57. Yup.

Headroom is limited, though.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

65. Waiting for "POS Used Car Salesman." It's just a matter of time

if the ponies are not delivered promptly.

[NurseJackie]

64. Good grief.

[Demsrule86]

66. The new checks would always have been 1400 which with the 600 is 2000.

Now Biden will be lucky to get anything...and I hope before some bring out the knives for Biden, they consider,they will end up with GOP rule and policy. Biden will get what he can.

[mvd]

77. I'm not worried about it

It would take something pretty major to ruin the relief I have right now that Biden will be President. I will probably get my $600 and $1,400 close together. My biggest concern remains that the IRS doesn’t do what they did this time and leave many, including me, waiting too long. I am one who closed my previous account.

[ornotna]

87. Let's work on this together

Dick promised Jane $2,000 and he gave her $600 of it on a certain date. How much more does Dick need to give to Jane to fulfill his promise?

Answer below*









*
$2000
-$600
=$1400


Yay! I knew you could do it.

[sheshe2]

95. You rock.

[betsuni]

134. I knew it reminded me of something.

[still_one]

89. The 2000 was always total including the 600 dollar down payment. Extends unemployment until the

end of March plus a 400 dollar per week bonus. Rent and mortgage relief, employer relief, 15 dollar minimum wage, vaccine distribution and resources, and much more

It is a good plan, and focuses where the need is needed most

Those who are complaining about the one time stimulus not being enough I do not believe appreciate where the money can best be put to use, and that is through unemployment, paycheck protection program, rent and housing relief, and help for the cities, and getting the vaccines out, etc are the most important

That one time 1400 dollar is per person, and that will bridge the gap before unemployment kicks in

[George II]

91. I'm sure many of those who are complaining about it not being $2600 (you know who you are), which...

...it NEVER was intended to be, don't even need the money but will keep it.

I wish there was some provision to give the money to those who really need it, not just to everybody earning under $75000/$150000.

[still_one]

96. Exactly, and I'll admit George, I am one of those who doesn't need it, though I will qualify for it

I think they are erroring on the side of more than the possibility of someone getting missed

The most important points are the extended unemployment plus 400 weekly bonus, rent and mortgage protection, vaccine distribution, increased minimum wage, etc etc etc

Out of everything in this package, that this is the one issue they have a problem with, leads me to suspect what you alluded to

[Cetacea]

125. Same with Unemployment

[George II]

92. READ YOUR OWN SUBJECT LINE: "Why did it change from $2,000 checks to $2,000 *total*?"

Those are YOUR words, not in the tweet you posted.

[gldstwmn]

99. Do you think this will be the only one?

I don't.

[mvd]

102. I hope we're like other countries and do it..

until the pandemic is over. Actually I like progressive UBI, but not sure its time has come yet.

I was really happy about the eviction/foreclosure moratorium extension. Would be best coupled with some relief for landlords. The big mortgage companies will be fine.

[itsrobert]

101. Big Disinformation Campaign going on

Classic social media wild fire set up by the righties posting under leftists or liberal sounding names.

[Hobo]

103. Math must be hard for you Kyle

Concern noted

Hobo

[George II]

105. Twitterwise, a blast from the past (only 3 weeks ago). What say you?

"bring the $600 checks to $2k 🤗 " Ironic, isn't it?

Link to tweet

[DrToast]

110. Yep!

[betsuni]

126. Interesting.

[Celerity]

133. I think the OP is ill-timed, but you are playing bait and switch with AOC's words

She was talking about an amendment to the original bill (not the new Biden bill) that would have raised it to 2000 USD from THAT old bill only.

Look at the date of her tweet you posted. It was before we even know who won the GA run-offs and thus before we knew who would have control of the Senate.

2:39 AM · Dec 28, 2020

She is also saying that the new Biden bill should be a 2000 USD standalone cheque, not 1400 USD.

here are her words on that (on the NEW bill)


https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/01/14/biden-stimulus-covid-relief/

[George II]

135. No I'm not. The proposal was for $2000. Period. To now complain that it was $2000 in addition.....

....is incorrect. There IS no "new bill".

[Celerity]

137. the 1400 USD will come from a new bill, so yes you are

IF it didn't take a new bill, then they would not be talking about new legislation

My logic and evidence is sound and you are simply wrong. The old bill was already passed and signed by Trump. This is a NEW bill.

https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/confirmed-bidens-1400-stimulus-check-proposes-new-qualifications-what-we-know/

[George II]

139. I'm not wrong, and I don't choose to argue about it. Suggestion to those who are bashing Biden....

Run for the Democratic nomination, get nominated, then get elected, and THEN they can dictate policy.

Short of that, write a still as yet unwritten bill, get it to the floor and voted upon, and have it passed in the House and Senate.

No doubt President Biden will sign it into law. Until then, those who are bashing Biden's proposal of barely hours ago should "keep their powder dry".

[Celerity]

141. You are wrong George, as I have clearly shown now on multiple posts.

You are are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts, sorry.

They are two separate bills, you claimed they are not. I have shown you they are indeed separate, plus I showed that you were incorrectly using what AOC originally said back in December (about the original, passed and signed into law bill) and trying to conflate it with the new bill, which I then showed what she said about that (the new bill).

[melman]

136. Please explain how it's ill-timed

and when it's the appropriate time to talk about things that were in the news today.


Thanks.

[Celerity]

138. I say ill-timed because Biden is not even sworn in yet and we are already at each other throats.

Let us see what is actually put up for legislation first before we engage in a circular firing squad. Things can change on a dime.

[IsItJustMe]

108. Two thousand dollars minus six hundred dollars equals fourteen hundred dollars

Problem solved. Your welcome.

[EndlessWire]

112. Yeah, deep in my heart I knew it was going to be "total."

But, drat! I was hoping that would be overlooked.

So, we can dream of a third stimulus check! Here's hoping our poor country doesn't need it, but if we do, let's hope they grant us more.

Joe...more money, Joe...Joe, we want more...

[BainsBane]

113. I thought it was $2000 too

but I guess since the debate was between $600 and $2000, I suppose $1400 makes sense.

[BlueLucy]

127. Trash thread

[krawhitham]

131. I never thought we were getting $2000 checks, seemed pretty clear to me we would get $1400

[maxsolomon]

140. It isn't either of those things. Right now it's hot air.

Right now it's $600.

[TexasBushwhacker]

142. Because they need to write a bill that will pass?