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Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:28 PM

NC Tea Party PAC hosts ”Machine Gun Social” Saturday as a political fundraiser

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The event attracted national attention, and received coverage from the Huffington Post and USA Today.

Organizers said the money raised will be used to pay for political advertising.

WLOS has video of the event, and interviews participants:

http://www.ashvegas.com/wlos-video-asheville-tea-party-pac-machine-gun-social-in-brevard




From an Asheville Tea Party blog post about the social:


Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
George Washington – First President of the United States

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
Richard Henry Lee – American Statesman, 1788
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From the Huffington Post article in August about the event:


According to the event’s flyer, attendees can give $25 for a 30-round magazine on a 9mm submachine gun of their choice — an HK MP5, an Israeli UZI or a Swedish I. Guests can spend $35 for 30 rounds on an AK47, while the most ambitious of Tea Party patriots can drop $50 for 30 rounds on an M16.

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Reply NC Tea Party PAC hosts ”Machine Gun Social” Saturday as a political fundraiser (Original post)
G_j Oct 2012 OP
oswaldactedalone Oct 2012 #1
slackmaster Oct 2012 #4
nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #7
Hoyt Oct 2012 #10
slackmaster Oct 2012 #13
Hoyt Oct 2012 #16
slackmaster Oct 2012 #17
Hoyt Oct 2012 #20
slackmaster Oct 2012 #22
justanidea Oct 2012 #6
nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #2
Hoyt Oct 2012 #3
onehandle Oct 2012 #5
KoKo Oct 2012 #8
Hoyt Oct 2012 #12
EnviroBat Oct 2012 #9
Hoyt Oct 2012 #14
EnviroBat Oct 2012 #30
bongbong Oct 2012 #23
KoKo Oct 2012 #25
KoKo Oct 2012 #28
LibertyLover Oct 2012 #11
Downtown Hound Oct 2012 #15
slackmaster Oct 2012 #18
Downtown Hound Oct 2012 #19
LibertyLover Oct 2012 #21
jmowreader Oct 2012 #29
Downtown Hound Oct 2012 #33
oneshooter Oct 2012 #34
Initech Oct 2012 #24
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #26
Permanut Oct 2012 #27
Lex Oct 2012 #31
X_Digger Oct 2012 #32
G_j Oct 2012 #35
X_Digger Oct 2012 #36

Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:39 PM

1. What is wrong with these fucks

Owning weapons is one thing but UZIs, AK47s, and MP5s?

Ridiculous

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Response to oswaldactedalone (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:50 PM

4. Because the National Firearms Act registry was closed in 1986, transferrable automatic weapons...

 

...have become extremely valuable as collectors' items.

If you live in a state where you can buy one, it's actually a very good investment if you are interested in value retention and appreciation.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:05 PM

7. Don't bother answering

 

But I really see no use in a civilian owning an MP-5, or any other full auto.

But if you insist a mini gun is all kinds of fun, and high rof.

But serious, apart of some target shooting, this is spray and pray mode.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:31 PM

10. I suppose, if you find making a "killing" off lethal weapons desirable.

Fortunately most of us don't.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:40 PM

13. To me, collecting old firearms is no different than collecting old cars or porcelain figurines

 

I don't allow myself to be consumed by violent fantasies and emotion.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:42 PM

16. Old cars and porcelain figurines are good for society. Guns like this, not so much.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:43 PM

17. What a crock. Firearms are windows into history.

 

They're every bit as good for society as Hummel figurines or Packards.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:57 PM

20. I guess for some. Unfortunately, they are a peek at our violent, callous future too.

Enjoy your guns.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:59 PM

22. Oh, come on Hoyt. They've been strictly regulated in this country for 78 years, and that's not...

 

...going to change, ever.

Once a piece freedom is taken away from the people, it is almost never given back. I hope that gives you some comfort.

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Response to oswaldactedalone (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:58 PM

6. The Tea party is a bunch of fucking loons

 

But as a democrat and firearms owner/collector, I must say there is nothing wrong with owning automatic firearms. Theyre a lot of fun and many have historical significance.

Plus the process for obtaining them is so strict they are virtually never used in crime. Only 2 legally owned machine guns have been used in a crime since 1934.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:44 PM

2. I will take Uzi for ride up when you puLl the trigger Alex

 

Coud be all kinds of fun to see them hit themselves on the forehead.

(Yes, I have fired an Uzi once, in full auto, and was given all kinds of warnings due to that real issue)

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:46 PM

3. "T-Party patriots" and their love of guns -- LMAO.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:53 PM

5. GOPNRA Loons. nt

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:11 PM

8. Disgusting! Thanks for the post about this.. Surprised to see this in Ashville...

It is or was the most liberal city in NC. But, then....it's what's around them and coming over the border from SC.

We need to be aware of this stuff going on. If it's in NC it will spread to other states.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:35 PM

12. There are few places with as many confederate flags flying as that strip west of Greenville.

I like Asheville a lot, but getting there is a trip through our ugly past (and, in some respects, ugly present).

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:20 PM

9. My ex left Ohio to shack up with her sisters husband in North Carolina.

This is her FB Picture of her "family":



These are the morons that claim they are going to start a "Revolution" if Obama wins in November. I say bring it on fuckers. What did I ever see in this stupid woman, I'll never know...

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Response to EnviroBat (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:40 PM

14. Example of gun cultists playing role models for the kids and next generation.

Folks in the "gungeon" will identify with that photo.

I bet you are glad to be out of that.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:10 AM

30. I am very glad to be out of that.

I had actually turned her into an Obama supporter during our time together. I'm sure the "Big Bad Marine" has turned her into a full-blown Tea Bagger by now. You can't fix stupid...

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Response to EnviroBat (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:04 PM

23. Scary bunch

 

Were they in that Rob Zombie movie "The Devil's Rejects"?

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Response to EnviroBat (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:30 PM

25. You'd need to read Joe Bageant's books to understand that culture....

But...yes, it's a terrible thing that the only recourse folks feel is to ally themselves with this kind of culture. But, to many of them...it's all they know. And, if your only access is corrupt politicians...(everywhere now) but, who've ruled the South for Generations, and Faux News that verifies to them that something is deeply wrong with our Policies and Banking/Wall Street Culture and Rush and Faux and CNN and much of the mainstream media speaks to you ....and you don't know WHY they want to speak to you ...then I can understand where it comes from.

I grew up there so I know what you say about it.

Hopeless youth without any prospects of getting ahead all over America in the "underclasses" which is quickly becoming more of us than anyone could have ever imagined back in the days when I got out of the South for Opportunity in the Northeast. But, those were the days when IBM was Hiring and the Tech World was just getting off the ground and Publishing and Arts and Media were in their Hey Day. Many from the South went to California for new opportunities and others, theatrical, writers, artists and activists went to NYC...

It's different for our youth today.....There's nowhere for them to go ...dumbed down, shut out and told that Chinese, Korean and Asian Workers are smarter and will work for less than they make in the low level Wall Mart, Food Franchise and other jobs they end up in because only the "select few, can become the Doctors, Lawyers and Chiefs on Wall Street.

These are the forgotten....because there's nowhere for them to go...so Guns, God and Football (sports), NASCAR and the rest are the only validation they have, these days to know that they even Exist!

Read Joe Bageant.. He died this year...but, he had a unique perspective on what's Wrong with the South and it applies to the Right Wing Rising all over the USA through the Religious Community which is the only place many of them find validation of themselves as human beings.

Just saying......

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Response to KoKo (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:46 PM

28. "Deer Hunting With Jesus".....Amazon Book Review


http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Hunting-With-Jesus-Bageant/product-reviews/1846271525/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/175-1103216-9544329?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

"Deer Hunting with Jesus" is Joe Bageant's account of returning to his hometown of Winchester, Virginia, after leaving many years prior. D.H.W.J. is a quick and easy read that notes several things many readers can relate to across the US. In addition to the attitudes Bageant observes, is one pertinent point: Bageant left, but the others in his hometown, stayed. Therein lies the issue.

In this book, there are many cultural elements of contemporary America. Bageant peppers this book with personal anecdotes, statistics, and polling data to aid his observations. The author is witty and makes the read enjoyable. This isn't about one man (the author) and one community (Winchester), but about many commonalities of the different regions of contemporary US society. Belief systems shaped by mainstream media, Dominionist Christian attitudes of superiority, and readily accepted Neo-Con foreign policy beliefs by those who work, live, and occupy bar stools at the "Royal."

At times there is a generic partisan theme that refers to "Democrats" and "Republicans," and as a non-partisan I didn't buy into it, mostly because both parties are more similar than different and only represent the PACs, Lobbies, and Special Interests. But the author is correct in the split-personality voting behavior by these people who support clearly, the party that is most harmful to their interests. Bageant aptly notes this strange phenomenon of the neglected working-class who vote against their economic well-being, and he notes the reasons why. Those of us that follow American political culture, are aware of the reasons for this.

The book also accurately focuses on the growing under-class of America: Not the under-class in the Inner Cities but the working class of the rural and semi-rural regions of the USA that have slipped down more than a few notches and are paying a significant price in a lack of health care, education, and gainful employment. These people are subtly (and oft-times not so subtly) aware that they actually are slipping down the economic ladder - but they don't know the reasons why.

While reading "Deer Hunting With Jesus" I (and I assume many readers) could picture many of the characters described by Bageant. This is because I know people like this in my hometown 3,000 miles to the west, of Winchester, VA.

Some of the attitudes and biographical anecdotes by the real-life characters in this book are that people sincerely believe that by following the "work hard" and "play by the rules" game they "deserve" a big house, new car, cookie-cutter 2-week vacation, and financial independence as they grow older. For millions of Americans, this not the case. And it isn't only about the working class, but the middle and upper-classes today.

The material reward from "working hard" is no longer the case for most in the US. This trend started in earnest in 1970. Bageant notes that his cohorts didn't figure this out. Why have so many people not recognized this trend? Possibly because this information is not often available in the Mainstream Media in the US. More likely, because people are not curious enough to get this information, which is readily available.

More biographical overviews from the author that seem very common in the US is noted here: "My people don't cite real facts. They recite what they have absorbed from the atmosphere. Theirs is an intellectual life consisting of things that sound right, a blend of modern folk wisdom cliche, talk radio and Christian radio babble" (Page 65).

As for the comments about these hometown folks: one need not be intellectual. Not at all. Bageant knows this. One only needs to be curious, in my opinion. It's certainly not necessary to be an "intellectual" to discuss certain topics of the world and current events over a cup of coffee or bottle of beer. But people should be able to critically think to the degree where they can recognize bias, weazel words, spin, over-simplification, and over-generalization. We all have our own biases and preferences, and many of our own opinions are not always essentially our own. We have to get our information from somewhere. However the point is, many people simply regurgitate what they hear and see (and occasionally read). Much of this info regurgitated are from soundbites. Many people cannot even paraphrase.

In sum, many people are dumb. Not to sound arrogant or condescending but this is the perception. This dumbness is not because of genetics, but because of mental laziness, and not seeking objective sources that go into at least some amount of depth. If people want to make rhetorical statements and debate people (and often be loud) they should do some research. Do some homework.

As for Winchester and other areas of the US, I generally, find people in urban areas to be more sophisticated than those in rural regions. Again, nothing to do with intelligence.

Here is another excerpt from this book that I often observe in my hometown:

"Getting a lousy education, then spending a lifetime pitted against your fellow worker in the gladiatorial theater of the free market economy does not make for optimist or open-mindedness.....It makes for a kind of bleak coarseness and inner degradation that allows working people to accept the American empire's wart without a blink" (page 71).

I have specifically witnessed this, and still do in the United States.

People think political situations can be resolved by violence.

"it is not uncommon to hear someone talk about the Middle Est or some Asian or European country 'gettin out of line' and 'needing to be put in its place.' .....people who believe we should bomb France (though I doubt many of them could find it on the map" (page 71).

One chapter notes Lynddie England and appropriately asked how did her and people like her come to (falsely) define the American national ethos?

A fair question.

Written in 2007, DHWJ notes many of the elements that were issues in the 2008 National election that came a year after the publishing this book.

Health care, Abu Grahib, Oil dependency, Sub-prime mortgage industry and the racket of mortgage loans, CDOs, Neo-Conservatism, and the Mainstream Media. The religious influence of Reconstructionist, Dominionist, and Fundamentalist Christian elements that permeate attitudes (more than behavior).

But it's not mostly about about the town of Winchester, concepts, or "things." The most notable element is, the people --> Their attitudes and beliefs.

Chapters: Put in this review because of their pithy and self-explanatory titles.

1. American Serfs
2. Republicans by Default
3. The Deep-Fried, Double Wide Lifestyle
4. Valley of the Sun
5. The Covert Kingdom
6. The Ballad of Lynddie England
7. An Authorized Place to Die
8. American Hologram

"Deer Hunting with Jesus" is a great book by by Joe Bageant.


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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:32 PM

11. A few years ago, I got to fire most of those

at the West Point firing range. It was fun. Of course my two godsons had the best time. The cadets kept handing them tracer rounds to fire so that they actually set a few of the paper targets to smoldering. But, and this is a big but, I don't want to own one. I do agree that because the registry was closed in 1986 their value goes up, however I just don't see the need for a private individual to own this type of firearm - unless of course the Zombie Apocalypse starts, in which case all bets are off.

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Response to LibertyLover (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:41 PM

15. The last thing you would want in a zombie apocalypse is something fully auto

You'd end up wasting most of your ammo on nothing. A few well placed shots in the head by your basic semi-auto or lever action .22 longrifle would be way better than spraying out rounds at a phenomenal rate and maybe getting one or two kills for every fifteen rounds fired. That'll get you killed a lot faster than getting say, 16 kills for every 20 rounds fired.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:47 PM

18. Actually a pump-action shotgun is the preferred weapon for a zombie apocalypse

 

The whole point is to destroy the brain, or to remove the head completely.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:56 PM

19. Something that holds 3 to 7 rounds and has a shitty range is the preferred weapon?

Not in my book. It might be a good, last stand weapon, but I'd much rather have something like my Marlin .22. lever action. Lightweight, extremely accurate, never jams, can hold 21 longrifle bullets, and a decent range. I'd be picking off zombies by the dozen with that thing. A shotgun? Well, better pray there's not more than a few of them, because you're going to have to get in close to use it and you're going to run out of ammo very quickly.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:58 PM

21. You raise an excellent point, and normally I would agree with you, but

just firing a few, albeit well placed, rounds wouldn't provide the necessary loudness that a proper Zombie Apocalypse soundtrack requires. Well, that and some excellently loud and fast rock music.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 04:25 AM

29. If the Zombie Apocalypse happens, give me Ma Deuce, an A-gunner and a jeep trailer full of ammo

Why don't our more popular zombie movies ever discuss the value of a .50-caliber machine gun in the elimination of zombies?

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #29)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:32 AM

33. If you're in a heavily fortified position and are able to score those things go for it

However, I prefer something light, compact, agile and accurate. Hauling a .50 caliber around may sound like fun, but it's also going to tie you down and severly decrease your mobility. Even if you had it truck mounted, well, then you need gas for the truck , and gas eventually goes bad.

If you've ever read the Walking Dead comic books, one of the things the survivors eventually figure out is that they can never stay in the same place for very long, because sooner or later a zombie herd will show up. These herds can be anywhere from a few hundred to tens of thousands strong. All you can realy do against a herd is run, because they will pretty much overwhelm any defenses you've got through sheer numbers.

So when the herd comes the last thign I want is to be tied to a machine gun, .50 caliber or not. I want something I can run and shoot with, and make my escape.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #29)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:33 AM

34. Or maybe one of these, with a couple of Duece and a halfs for the ammo.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:06 PM

24. Tea party terrorists: "do you feel lucky? Well do ya... PUNK???"

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:40 PM

26. Asheville is just about 100% blue

It is an extremely liberal -- and extremely nice -- town in the Blur Ridge Mountains, fulls of liberals, and Buddhists, and Granolas, and even more than a few hippies. Lots of college kids and bookstores and Priuses.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:40 PM

27. Boy, I'll bet if we're invaded by a foreign power..

or attacked with drones or ICBMs, or if the military participates in a coup, the aggressors will certainly bypass North Carolina. Their security is insured, don't ya know, by all them popguns.

Disclaimer: I'm a gun owner, primarily for the purpose of self defense and home defense, but I sure don't have any fantasies of taking on the gubmint.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:12 AM

31. Ignorant, uneducated, and scared of everything. nt

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:23 AM

32. "attracted national attention, and received coverage from--" Mission Accomplished

And here's DU, adding more attention to those bozos in very very blue Asheville.

*sigh*

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #32)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:43 AM

35. well, I live here

and find it of interest. Do you propose not reporting on TP insanity?

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Response to G_j (Reply #35)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:05 PM

36. I do believe in shunning attention-seekers, yes.

Deny them the one thing they're seeking by being so outrageous.

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