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(7,261 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,393 posts)Rule of Claw
(500 posts)Solomon
(12,321 posts)defense industry.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)
..Iraq war.
Also, her SF office was horrible to we citizens when we went there to talk to her about passing Obama Care. We all felt it was an office culture that came from the top.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,738 posts)jaxexpat
(6,870 posts)BComplex
(8,082 posts)bluestarone
(17,101 posts)YUCK YUCK YUCK!! NOT the MESSAGE we need to send! WTF???
OneCrazyDiamond
(2,032 posts)Especially without a lot of PPE
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,765 posts)perhaps she's in danger of a "forced" retirement.
ananda
(28,891 posts)...
MurrayDelph
(5,302 posts)when I'd emailed her a question, and the condescending response I got was basically "Back off, sonny; I'm a Senator."
Instead, I moved to Oregon, where you can get a face-to-face meeting without having to carry a piece of paper containing the words "Pay to the Order of..."
madaboutharry
(40,245 posts)She is up again in 2022. She will be 89 years old then. I doubt she will run again.
Her exchange with Graham today was rather outrageous.
BeyondGeography
(39,393 posts)Try 2024.
madaboutharry
(40,245 posts)What is an 85 year old doing running for a 6 year term, even a 6 month term? How utterly selfish.
Polybius
(15,518 posts)He ran for re-election at age 94, won, and finished his term.
madaboutharry
(40,245 posts)He had no idea where he was nor did he know who the people there were. He would stand in the hallway and hand out candy, completely consumed by dementia. His Chief of Staff was acting as Senator.
Polybius
(15,518 posts)He died shortly after his term ended, at 100.
Mr.Bill
(24,354 posts)spanone
(135,921 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,879 posts)Dear Dianne as she was known.
She is still "Dear Dianne" to me.
Enough a long time ago after these two fine men were murdered after she lost the mayoral election.
Some of us never forget.
roamer65
(36,748 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,879 posts)That is how she has been viewed by many that remember this sad time.
And yes, I am one one them.
I worked a few blocks from the infamous "Doggie Diner" where White fled to after gunning down Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Milk.
It was a horrible time and the riots that followed after the verdict led to the closure of the place I worked at.
She was not known as "Dear Dianne" for no reason at all!
CountAllVotes
(20,879 posts)I really cannot forget it.
I really cannot just let it go.
I really cannot get behind Feinstein for these two reasons alone.
It was such a sad, awful time and there she was ... uh huh.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,031 posts)Democrats, Facing Critical Supreme Court Battle, Worry Feinstein Is Not Up to the Task
Ms. Feinstein, 87, has slowed in recent years and limited her public profile, leading some Democrats to wonder if she can lead them through a consequential confirmation process.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/10/us/politics/dianne-feinstein-supreme-court-judiciary-committee.html
Takket
(21,679 posts)She sure doesn't look it! I actually googled this because I thought you made a typo. I thought she was maybe in her 60s........
i have some pretty serious misgivings about her heading judiciary if we win the senate after today. if we are going to expand the court and also be heading some probes into the drumpf cabal, we need someone there we can trust to hammer these people.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)Remember, DiFi was the conservative Democrat on the San Francisco City Council, and would likely have stayed in the ideological minority there had not her ally Dan White assassinated Mayor Moscone and Councilor Milk. That act of violence handed her the mayor's seat, from which she immediately steered the city in a more pro-business, pro-developer direction completely counter to her predecessor's principles, then used the conventional wisdom of "she was San Francisco mayor, so she must be a progressive" to vault to national office.
But I've never understood those who reflexively lumped her in as part of the "liberals." She was always nearly as much of a DINO as Holy Joe -- the only differences were that a) she was predictably outspoken on women's issues, and b) she didn't feel the need to go around publicly endorsing Republicans against members of her own party. But, otherwise, she's always been pretty much worthless in terms of furthering a Democratic policy agenda.
CountAllVotes
(20,879 posts)coti
(4,612 posts)That's basically the extent of her national-level career. Not making good foreign policy decisions, not pushing hard for better support for working families or healthcare. The damned gun control issue that lost us so many voters (not that I disagree with her), she was the poster girl for. For everything else, her leadership has been among the worst in the party.
George II
(67,782 posts)She needed to retire before she ever started?
Her ally Dan White assassinated Moscone and Milk?
She's a DINO?
She's always been pretty much worthless?
Very nice.
Who is "Holy Joe", another Democrat that you're attacking?
coti
(4,612 posts)The guy who endorsed John McCain in 2008 and spoke at the RNC. You a fan?
George II
(67,782 posts)madeup64
(257 posts)More of a play on calling someone holier-than-thou. Lieberman certainly thought very highly of himself considering he seemed to think that endorsing McCain in 2008 was going to matter to many Democrats.
However if it was meant that way certainly not acceptable
melman
(7,681 posts)The poster knows perfectly well that Lieberman has been called Holy Joe since the Clinton impeachment, and probably thousands of times on this site. The poster is just doing what the poster does.
Here is an editorial from Lieberman's hometown paper
" Theres the moralist who chided President Bill Clinton for his inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky, earning the nickname Holy Joe for condemning sex and violence in popular culture."
https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinion/article/Editorial-In-search-of-thereal-Joe-Lieberman-11159862.php
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)he embraces it is his holier-than-thou attitude that wins him that moniker.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)Like decades ago.
Such a mole.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)A few people in the leadership do, actually.
samsingh
(17,602 posts)RockRaven
(15,062 posts)has changed in how they approach the operation of the Senate, or she does understand and is willfully ineffectual. Either way, she is not serving her constituents well.
samsingh
(17,602 posts)Statistical
(19,264 posts)Filibuster = zero progressive legislation passing even if Biden wins AND we retake the Senate.
Filibuster = zero chance of expanding the courts
Filibuster = zero chance of opening DC & PR to statehood
Filibuster = zero chance for an ACA replacement when the courts kill it
Turin_C3PO
(14,121 posts)Ive defended her in the past but Im done. She needs to go.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)Magoo48
(4,722 posts)hibbing
(10,112 posts)DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)I expect this crap from the GOP but coming from Feinstein, it is infuriating. If Democrats arent going to take a stand and fight over the USSC, what is the friggen point?
brooklynite
(94,917 posts)Unless she decides to retire, I'll believe she's vulnerable when you find a candidate who can raise, say, $20,000,000 to be competitive.
dsc
(52,172 posts)She was able to win because the GOP voted for, what for them, was the much lesser of two evils. Not having real primaries leads to a loss of control of a party's message. I have defended her before but this was inexcusable. She likely ended any chance Harrison may have had of winning, ruined any message of unfairness about the Barrett nomination and her stance on the filibuster will end abortion, marriage equality, and voting rights for decades to come even if we win a majority since not only won't we be able to fix the Supreme Court we also won't be able to pass any legislation whatsoever. Oh, and let's not forget the millions of uninsured that she will help create when the ACA goes down. It is one thing when the likes of Manchin behaves this way but for someone from one of the bluest states in the nation to behave this way is insane.
EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)(She isn't wearing a mask??) What a way to end a career. "It's okay if you help Trump destroy the country. Have a nice day."
She's done. I personally can't stand to see anyone hugging my enemy. Maybe he's got Covid. She must have it, too. But, he's still on his feet and voting. She's giving positive vibes to a rat. Go figure and see if she's got any gas in her tank. Ain't happening.
brooklynite
(94,917 posts)mshasta
(2,108 posts)Is done
sandensea
(21,711 posts)Her coziness with Dubya and the "new Pearl Harbor" bunch convinced me, by then, that she was not to be trusted.
And this just (further) confirms this suspicion.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,926 posts)for Senators and Representatives. And Presidents.
Layzeebeaver
(1,646 posts)I dont agree with her action here. But retire?
ashredux
(2,612 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)democrank
(11,112 posts)coti
(4,612 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)However, if the suggestion is predicated on editorial and bias or simply one benign action, we get then closer and closer to that line.
dansolo
(5,376 posts)Some of us have actually been paying attention to her actions for the past several decades. This isn't a new, one time deal. She has been enabling Republican malfeasance for a long time.
FreeState
(10,585 posts)Never should have started is much different than retire.
Skittles
(153,261 posts)WAY PAST TIME
NorthOf270
(290 posts)Katie Porter? Ever heard of her?
Adam Schiff?
Ted Lieu?
Stop acting like she'd be replaced by anyone who wasn't better in every way.
radius777
(3,635 posts)as most Senate Dems have tried to make the case the the public about how illegitmate this process is, of ramming through a lifetime appointment in the midst of an election - which would shift the court hard right and roll back everything RBG fought for - and then DiFi goes and does something like this... it's a betrayal of the Dem strategy and our closing arguments in this election. VP nominee Kamala Harris said it plainly that this process is illegitimate.
tormadjax
(164 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)tormadjax
(164 posts)democrank
(11,112 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Let Katie Porter take your seat. You don't suck up with traitors Dianne.
RandiFan1290
(6,260 posts)Le Roi de Pot
(744 posts)something fishy going on
Buckeyeblue
(5,505 posts)I think 75 or 76 for those running for a 6 year term. I know some people are very physically and mentally fit through their 80's. But I'm thinking more in context with staying in touch with the country.
LiberalArkie
(15,733 posts)There are 2 options, 1 retire sooner and we end up with a dynamic country.
1, keep it like it is where the congress critters will be able to vote while in a vegetative state like good old Strom Thurman, good ole status quo status.
Neither one did the founding fathers imagine.
Ponietz
(3,056 posts)kairos12
(12,892 posts)murdock744
(55 posts)But isn't Dem bashing severely frowned upon in this forum? Dianne Feinstein is and has been and continues to be an exemplar and an example of the type of leadership we need and can expect moving forward.
Please, now more than ever we need to unify and quit the division, remember our enemy is not Feinstein or the moderate Democrats but Trumps Republican party!!
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)enough bashing!
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)race against Jaime Harrison ? If you are talking about supporting fellow Dems, surely that should be top priority ?
Maven
(10,533 posts)After he ran a sham hearing to fill a stolen SCOTUS seat?
4D Chess... Senator Feinstein is playing the long game, and much smarter than you're giving credit to her for being. She knows what she's doing.
Maven
(10,533 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Democrats worry Feinstein cant handle Supreme Court battle
As the Senate prepares for yet another brutal Supreme Court nomination fight, one particularly sensitive issue is creating apprehension among Democrats: what to do with 87-year-old Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee.
Feinstein, the oldest member of the Senate, is widely respected by senators in both parties, but she has noticeably slowed in recent years. Interviews with more than a dozen Democratic senators and aides show widespread concern over whether the California Democrat is capable of leading the aggressive effort Democrats need against whoever President Donald Trump picks to replace the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
The Judiciary Committee is the critical battleground in the Supreme Court confirmation process. At stake, her own Democratic colleagues worry, is more than just whether the party can thwart Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in his rush to fill the seat. Some Democrats privately fear that Feinstein could mishandle the situation and hurt their chances of winning back the majority.
Feinstein sometimes gets confused by reporters questions, or will offer different answers to the same question depending on where or when shes asked. Her appearance is frail. And Feinstein's genteel demeanor, which seems like it belongs to a bygone Senate era, can lead to trouble with an increasingly hard-line Democratic base uninterested in collegiality or bipartisan platitudes.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/23/dianne-feinstein-supreme-court-battle-420357
This article was published long before the OP posted this thread.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Some who are affiliated with the party or even formally belong to the party like AOC or Rashida Tlaib are free game but say bashing Biden will get your post deleted.
In the end is up to a jury whether your post stays or not.
Sympthsical
(9,168 posts)And stuff like this is why.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)she has more experience than anyone and I for one voted for her and find her an inspiration still.
She shifted her approach and got quite a lot more out of the beast Barrett than anyone else did.
She can retire in 4 years if she wants to. But until then, please leave my Senator alone and use your energy to bash republicans.
Ponietz
(3,056 posts)diva77
(7,671 posts)Unfortunately.
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)and was really impressed with her manipulation of Barrett. You could not see that?
I was gobsmacked by her mastery.
I don't know what this OP is referring to exactly, like her being all nice to Lindsay Graham? Well she is very very kind, warm and sympathetic to gay people, decades prior to the general acceptance. He may have been responding to this innate quality of hers? And as far as his being closeted, I am in no mood to pick on closeted gay people. I have plenty enough ammunition with his hypocritical behavior and vile actions.
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)If she wants to run again after this term is up she should go for it. What I DO CARE about is her being on board when it comes time to nuke the filibuster and expand the court. She had better read the god damn room on that and get with the fucking program and be a team player. Her legacy such as it is will be reduced to rubble if she doesnt. Believe that.
NorthOf270
(290 posts)....we'll remember this to keep warm,
Hassler
(3,395 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)not a wise choice. Very disappointed in her. She had good questions but then ruined it by legitimizing grahams actions. This alone could compromise our court expansion idea. Not sure if she had some strategy behind this gesture. I wish she had covid and gave it to graham but its more likely the other way around. A kiss of death move.
LiberalArkie
(15,733 posts)Yavin4
(35,453 posts)She's an old woman who has been there for a very long time. She has made friends with her colleagues even though she disagrees with them. She probably cannot accept that they are this devious. She just can't.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)world wide wally
(21,758 posts)whttevrr
(2,345 posts)I was not going to log in because of the whole NBC Trump BS makes me type like shit and curse a lot. But after seeing some of the defenses for Di Fi I just have to say: "Fuck That Shit. Dianne Feinstein needs to go."
After her Covid-hug though, the wait may not be that long. 5-10 days? Do not take that as a wish for her ill health, but a realization that anyone above 80 hugging a person known to be in contact with Covid-19 positive people is just begging for trouble.
Her bullshit praise of @#%!!&@ has just made me livid al over again.
I will now go rant some more about #boycottNBC and #FireChuckTodd
budkin
(6,725 posts)What the hell was that shitshow today?
Old Okie
(146 posts)Keeping the filibuster means nothing will get done and Repubs will take back the Senate in 2 years
NorthOf270
(290 posts)Feinstein needs to go.
radius777
(3,635 posts)in close races a commercial they can use to show themselves as 'bipartisan'.
DiFi, what exactly has Grahman and the GOP done to show they are operating in good faith? They stole Garland's seat and are now stealing RBG's seat that should be filled by Biden. We are going to have a 6-3 hard right Supreme Court and this is what our Dem leaders do to fight for us? These hearings were a sham and even Kamala Harris said so.
Dems are supposed to be the party that stands in defense of those who have been historically left out. This is exactly why younger voters and PoC often feel alienated from the party.
NorthOf270
(290 posts)It's why even facing a historic landslide, they will find some way to never take the fucking destruction they deserve.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)Covid-19.
I match that description.
DiFi is about 2 years older than I.
I couldn't do what she's trying to do. - the push is no longer there.
I also have to rush to the bathroom a lot.
Wonder if she has to rush to the bathroom as well.
New Breed Leader
(625 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)I wouldnt rule it out that her being extra nice to graham is somehow strategic. She is probably the most influential democratic senator on the judiciary committee who also has respect from republicans. The key is that DiFi not only dis nor rule out a possibility of expanding SC but added that the hypocrisy of republican actions is consequential. I dont think we would simply add seats to SC, most likely it would be a reform to depoliticize court. In this case, gop senators would very much want to have a say in it because the alternative is that dems would fill those new seats with no input from gop whatsoever. There needs to be a way of some sort of bipartisanship or appearance of thereof in order for the SC expansion to be accepted by the public at large.
Shrek
(3,986 posts)Lindsey Graham is fighting for re-election. A photo of him hugging Feinstein might go over poorly with his voters.
Perhaps this was partially a political calculation for her.
JI7
(89,283 posts)to take Covid Test ?
pfitz59
(10,409 posts)However, even old "war-horses' need go to pasture. It is not "ageism" to acknowledge old age, and the associated infirmities. Feinstein hugging and praising Graham was 'beyond the pale' at this point in time. She under-mined Harrison in a tight race, and diluted the stench of GOP hypocrisy. The time for "playing nice" is long over.