Regarding the Lincoln Project:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

What they're doing is working to get rid of tRump. They recognize that their previous actions helped create him and they want to atone for those actions. I've seen some of their videos, and they have said this. I believe them.

Next, they will get rid of the republicans who enabled and supported tRump, ALL OF THEM, root and branch.

Then they want to return to being the loyal opposition. They want to be responsible Republicans, like those in the 1950's. They realize that the country needs to have the loyal opposition to whoever is in power, and I tend to agree. As long as this is done in good faith, with consideration and respect from both sides.

I wish them luck.

[DonaldsRump]

1. They certainly are

and they done good!

I am mega-impressed with the intensity of their ads, and how quick they are to get them out. Without a doubt, this is the single best organization putting out pro-D ads.

I actually gave them something (small) yesterday, as I appreciate their efforts. They detest Donald Trump and what the Republican party has become. Until further notice, they are our genuine allies.

[mucifer]

2. I appreciate their hard work. They do say some odd things in their podcasts. I heard two of them say

they love rush limbaugh and have fond memories of being fans of his when they were young and were surprised he hasn't joined them.

That was really odd...

[Big Blue Marble]

3. That is strange

as Limbaugh has had so much do to with our crisis. Do you remember who said that?
I listen to their podcasts and LPTV and have not heard that. I occasionally do see
other things that make me realize we are still on different teams who will return
to our home bases when this is over.

For now I, too, and glad to be on the same side. I have even donated to their efforts.

[mucifer]

9. It was Tara and Rick reminiscing about how they loved rush in college and he turned them

on to republican politics.

[Big Blue Marble]

18. Not surprising about Rick

but disappointing about Tara. I agree really sickening. He is an open misogynist and always has
been.

[OnDoutside]

19. Suffice to say they no longer love Rush and blame him for a lot of

Why the GOP is where it is today.

[BainsBane]

41. They are trying to speak to Republicans

in their own language. That may be the reason for the deference to Rush.

[snowybirdie]

4. I predict

They will be fielding candidates in 2024. Trump Republicans will become like the Green Party.

[JI7]

5. Republicans will have to be Socially liberal if they want to survive in long run

This means they will gain minorities but in turn lose the lock on white voters .

This would actually be a good thing if most of the country can agree on equal rights for all. And differences would mostly be on tax rates and related issues.

[Salviati]

6. I hope what you say is true.

I think we can judge the post-trump republican party by the voters they try to court. If they just try to package a slightly less overtly racist/xenophobic/violent message in order to court the same voters they've got now, then nothing is going to change.

If, on the other hand they completely retool their message, tell the toxic elements of their base to fuck off, and can craft a message that speaks to a broader coalition of people, it may not be better for the Democratic Party, but it would be better for our nation.

[moonscape]

55. That's a field that would be fair to compete on.

I accept the country is not as left as I am, and if we could get to a place without nut jobs and actually discuss policy again, I’m all for it.

[Whiskeytide]

7. I think they genuinely believe ...

... that another 4 years of Tя☭mp could irrevocably damage the country, and would certainly damage conservative influence.

I’m always surprised that people think they have changed their world view. They haven’t. They are still conservatives. They just don’t consider Tя☭mp a conservative. He’s a selfish prick who has infected the party, a virus that needs to be eliminated before he kills the host.

That’s not to say I don’t appreciate what they’re doing. At least they are fighting back against his insanity. But keep in mind that if any semblance of normalcy is ever restored in this country, they will go back to being the “other side”.

[Gothmog]

8. What will become of anti-trump republicans

Trumpism will still be alive even if trump is defeated in 2020. The members of the lincoln project know that they can not come home again https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-29/what-will-become-of-anti-trump-republicans

What they say motivates them is both fear of a second term for Donald Trump and, especially for some of the campaign professionals involved, a sense of responsibility for what the Republican Party has become. It’s possible that there’s really nothing more to it than that. Surely the policy advocates in the group will continue to push for choices they favor regardless of who is in office, but for the political operatives, this might be the end of the line — they may be burning bridges with one party without building any connection to the other.

It’s possible that some of them will eventually gravitate toward the Democrats. But it’s unlikely that they’ll exert much influence over them. Party actors fight hard for power within the organization, and while it’s true that parties are permeable and new people enter all the time and can change policy positions and priorities, there’s very little appetite among Democrats for this particular group of outsiders to wield significant influence.

My sense is that the group would be happiest with some sort of reformed Republican Party, but that they don’t quite know how to get there from here. The obvious problem is that the more elections Republicans lose, the more the remnant in office will tend to be from the safest districts, which usually produce the most extreme politicians. And if, on the other hand, Republicans win this year or in 2022, they’ll likely conclude that there isn’t actually a problem to be solved. They may reach that conclusion even if they lose several consecutive elections as long as the conservative marketplace is still profitable.

So my guess is that ultimately the Lincoln Project will be a curiosity — a marker of the deep dysfunction of the Republican Party, but not a group able to do much about it or to find a home elsewhere. Perhaps I’m wrong and they’ll be able to find a way out of the trap that Republicans have gotten into. I certainly hope so: Democracy in the U.S. requires two reasonably healthy political parties, both firmly committed to the rule of law, full citizenship for all and other important principles.

The members of the Lincoln Project has burned bridges. If trump loses then the remants of the GOP will be in safe gerrymandered seats and trump's base will be still be out there. The GOP will not longer be home to these members. trump may escape jail and I suspect that trump may end up with trump TV which will be attaking the members of the Lincoln group. The members of the Lincoln Project will not running against Democrats in 2024 becauase they wil have no home in what is left of the GOP.
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[Hekate]

22. Thanks for this. Yes, they have burned all their bridges back to the GOP, & I respect them for it...

I agree that we need a loyal opposition in this country, and I hope we can develop it once again some day.

I just started Rick Wilson’s “Running Against the Devil,” but have only gotten as far as reading the beginning and the ending, which are two takes on the scenario of Nov 3 - 4, 2020 — one is how we lose, and the other is how we win. The subtitle is: “A Plot to Save America from Trump — and Democrats from Themselves.”

So far, what I’ve gleaned is: in order to win national elections, we Democrats need to be disciplined enough to message toward the middle. Left of Center. I can hear the howling already, as I will never forget how Obama was savaged here & how those of us who trusted his method had to hide out in the BOG for 8 years.

As I flipped through the book, though, I realized the pandemic was utterly missing because the book was published in January 2020. I seriously wonder what he’s been saying about how we Dems are handling that changed calculus. Unfortunately I only catch him in a scattershot fashion, such as when he appears on MSNBC or gets reposted here.

Have you read it, and if so, what do you think?

[icymist]

25. I have read the entire book.

I got the impression that Wilson was trying to get us to focus on defeating Trump. Don't bring up policies that the GOP can turn around like gun regulation, which would be turned around to mean confiscate all guns. Then the focus would be off Trump himself and what a terrible pResident he is. It's too bad that he wrote the book before COVID because that is one matter the public is looking at quite intensively. At least I hope they are.

In all, I took the whole book with a grain of salt. Took from it what I could use and ignored the rest. I think it would be fun to re-read this book after the election to see how accurate or not Mr. Wilson is. One thing is for sure, he really knows PR and how to use it.

[OnDoutside]

27. Yes, the central message was, This is a referendum on Donald Trump,

and if Democrats allow themselves to be bushwhacked by fighting on areas like the Green New Deal, they would be playing directly into Republican lies, alienating potential soft Republican and Republican leaning Independents from voting for the Democratic nominee.

I think it is fair to say that Democrats have largely avoided those pitfalls and kept the fight on a referendum on Trump....and to be fair, even Sanders, AOC and others on the further Left have kept their powder dry on policy. There's been a united Democratic front that this election has to be about defeating Trump.

Now whether anyone in the Biden campaign took any notice of what Wilson said in Running Against the Devil, released before the Primaries finished, but the way the messaging from the Biden campaign has progressed, it is certainly in the same direction.

[betsuni]

32. +1

[sfstaxprep]

10. Steve Schmidt Should Be Biden's WH Spokesman nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

11. That's an interesting thought. What led you there? n/t

[sfstaxprep]

58. He's Very Calm & Measured When He Speaks

Also seems to have an incredibly large vocabulary.

[Hekate]

12. He's better on the outside

[themaguffin]

61. No, I prefer someone who interested and worked for Democratic party ideals

Let him take down Republicans. Awesome. But he's still not a Democrat, or shares the same policy views.

[avebury]

13. Do you think that they may go after

the Qnon candidates?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

14. Honestly, I hadn't considered that.

I'm sure they could, if they wanted to. But they may feel they have enough on their plate already.

[JHB]

15. Sorry, CP. I agree with the first part, but the second?

I'm going to have to watch them actually do that to believe it. I've seen their videos too, and it always raises alarm bells when they talk as though the problem suddenly started five years ago.

Their deeds will show what they are.

And until Nov. 4, it's moot to speculate.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

16. No need to be sorry! I do understand where you're coming from.

We'll just have to wait and see. I am relatively new to watching politics and I may be too trusting.

I agree: their deeds will reveal them to us.

[OnDoutside]

28. You should read Stuart Stevens book It was all a lie. That will

rid you of the notion that they believe this only started 5 years ago. It's searingly honest.

[betsuni]

31. +1

[Sherman A1]

17. I agree they are trying to get rid of The Donald

The rest, well, to use the words of a republican, “trust but verify.”

[Xolodno]

20. Well, I'll give you that, they committed career suicide.

They'll never be part of a GOP campaign again. But, they probably don't see a successful GOP campaign for awhile. But they do have access and can mentor newer operatives.

They are going to have to reinvent the Republican party, slowly, with their inside operatives, while kicking out the Trumpers.

[steve2470]

21. I agree with you, CalPeggy

As long as they really want to be Eisenhower-style Republicans, I'm good with that. I'd rather they become Democrats or, bare minimum, independents but they all seem to be dyed-in-the-wool Republicans who hate Trump and Trumpism.

We are on the same side, and they seem to be effective. I agree with their overall goal of defeating all Trump-enablers which includes all Republican senators who voted to deny impeachment. I am assuming they will leave Romney alone.

[Celerity]

23. they have their targets they want to attract after this election is over

The farthest right 25% to 30% of the Democratic Party and the farthest left 3/4ers of the Republican party.

It is simple maths.

put both parties at 70 million each (just for illustrative purposes)

140 million total voting base

72-75 million is dominance, and they will surgically target the states they make plays for, they know the giant blue states are barren ground for all but some House districts

pull 20m from the Dems

53m from the Rethugs

you kneecap the far left, basically kettle them into giant pockets, and also bank on many saying fuck it as the party lurches further to the centre right

and you kneecap the extreme QAnon psycho white nationalist far right

they do not even need to win POTUS every time

they just need to slide the Democratic Party further to the centre right and thus cock-block any of the systemically left major initiatives.

Hell, it they are good enough, they COULD (not saying they will) make an entirely new centre/slightly centre-left to medium-hard (NOT remotely like the Trump madness) right party that sucks up enough from the middle inwards of the Dems and then all but the far right of the Rethugs to eviscerate both extremes (the only actual extreme is the far right, it is laughable to call ANY actual elected member of the Dems a far lefty on any sort of non US scale. The US is already crazy skewed to the right. Bernie, AOC, all them would me milquetoast centre left social democrats in most every other advanced nation, especially here in the EU.)

Even if they do not win much in terms of a controlling amount of seats, they still accomplish a HUGE part of the agenda by sliding the Democratic Party further to the centre and centre right. They absolutely do not want any of the boilerplate programmes emanating from the most left 2/3rds of the Dems. They do NOT want a public option (let alone M4A) they want free (not fair) corporate friendly international trade deals, they do not want the giant banks to be highly regulated, they want further deregulation overall (they loved the 1996 Telecommunications Act for instance) in most industries, they want public/private partnerships that ultimately undermine the state as a whole, they do not want to ban fracking, and they will fight the Green New Deal to the death (as well as chip away at far less ambitious measures.)

It is an extremely dangerous path they will try and remote-control steer. A giant barely centre left to centre to centre/middle tilting fairly hard right power bloc (again, in the US sense, as all these groups would be considered pretty hard to radical RW in most other nations) will be a dystopian nightmare in the long run.

I fear that is where the nation is headed, and also bear in mind that once the Rethugs have a 6-3 hard RW SCOTUS and a stacked hard RW federal lower court system overall, it will be used as battering ram to strike down any large legislation that is to the left of the RW Democrat Henry Cuellar (he would be considered a rabid RWer here in the EU, with his hardcore pro-life, anti-LGBTQ, anti-immigrant, pro fossil fuels, pro private prisons, pro further, large-scale expansion of the MIC, and pro deregulation overall, etc etc stances). A Congress composed (effective power-control wise) of 55-65%, or even 70% Henry Cuellar/'moderately' RW Rethuglican hybrid clones would render forth a hellscape for the US. The Lincoln Project types would throw a celebratory rager for months if they can get it there, or even close to there, over the next decade or two max.

[JonLP24]

47. I remember Bill O'Reilly railing against the "far left"

He even called the Daily Kos far left but they gave Pelosi a bunch of flowers and were against Bernie in the primaries.

I think the problem with the United States is we are too far right. A lot of these billionaires have extreme right beliefs and they pump a lot of money into GOP candidates.

[Celerity]

56. The US political scale is so artificially slid to the right that it borders on being meaningless

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in terms of comparative labelling on an international basis. If you tried to cast AOC or Bernie (or any elected member of Congress) as some far left bomb thrower in pretty much any other western nation, especially here in the EU, you would be laughed at. The farthest right third to half of the Democrat House and Senates caucuses would be solidly centre right, with some like Cuellar on the hard right.

The average moderate Rethug would be extreme hard RW, and the furthest right third to half of the Republican Party would be considered members of hate groups.

The US system is almost to the point of breaking. I am schizophrenic in my political voting and support when it comes to the US versus the UK and Sweden. I am truly pragmatic in the US when it comes to general elections. To a point I am as well in the Democratic primaries. I am much more to the left back here. The US's lack of proportional representation is a long wave fatal flaw a constitutional ticking time bomb I fear, as are the Electoral College and the Senate itself.

All that said, Trump is such a unique threat, such a clear and present danger to the very continuation of the union itself, that anyone, especially those who claim to be progs and lefties (and I don't give a rat's red arse if they dislike Biden to the core) who refuses to vote, or votes Trump, or votes 3rd parry for POTUS, is a fucking piece of dogshit.

Especially talking about many of the pompous bellends like some at Jackpine Radicals, or the socialist (actual socialists not these falsely self labelling Dem Socs like Bernie and AOC, who are all bog standard social democrats, and I still want to slam my head against the wall for their insanely ill-conceived and false democratic socialist label) stooges at Current Affairs and/or Jacobin.

These red rose 'cosplaying raddie raddie' gits do not even realise that the outcome of Trump quite likely destroys the very system they claim to want to be elected to and/or to reform.

The nation itself will likely not survive (20 years max, and possibly far sooner) in it's current form if Trump steals another term and the Rethugs hold the Senate (let alone steal the House back). The JPR set, and the red roser brigades, and all all of the Berners, etc etc, need to suck it up and take one for the team, ie Team TRUMP OUT, aka Team Sanity.

After that, go back to policy wars, to their heart's content. Unfortunately, many are too gaslit themselves, or too petty, or are simply willing or unwilling dupes and chaos agents.

[melman]

24. They have never acknowledged helping to create Trump

And they have never expressed any desire to atone. In fact they have angrily rejected the suggestion that they should!

---

But you would be mistaken in believing the Lincoln Project was created to atone for past sins. Yes, there have been plenty of Republicans who have asked if their efforts over the past decades made a Trump presidency possible. What part did they play? What did they miss, ignore or tolerate? Republican consultant Stuart Stevens, author of the new book “It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump,” believes the president is “a natural product of the seeds of race, self-deception, and anger that became the essence of the Republican Party” over the past 50 years. “Trump isn’t an aberration of the Republican Party; he is the Republican Party in a purified form.”

But Schmidt, who it’s fair to say is disgusted by Trump, is unapologetic about his life’s work. Yes, he urged McCain to pick Sarah Palin as his running mate, a decision ultimately driven by politics. But no, he’s not renouncing the Republican Party as he knew it.

“I think a good sign of being an idiot in life is believing that all virtue is vested in one of these political parties and all evil in the other,” he says. He rejects those who say he should be ashamed of the past: “The necessity for an act of atonement against conviction is self-righteous and smug at a level that beggars my ability to describe it in the English language. And I would suggest that they’re part of the problem, not so much part of the solution.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/lincoln-project-george-conway-ads-trump/2020/07/31/e9542a6a-d278-11ea-9038-af089b63ac21_story.html

[betsuni]

29. "Blame me when you look around and see a dysfunctional political system and a Republican

Party that has gone insane. ... There is nothing strange or unexpected about Donald Trump. He is the logical conclusion of what the Republican Party became over the last fifty or so years, a natural product of the seeds of race, self-deception, and anger that became the essence of the Republican Party. Trump isn't an aberration of the Republican Party, he is the Republican Party in a purified form. ... I was there, and yes, I contributed. ... I was wrong. ... There is a collective blame shared by those of us who have created the modern Republican Party that has so egregiously failed the principles it claimed to represent. My j'accuse is against us all, not a few individuals who were the most egregious."

Stuart Stevens, "It Was All a Lie"

"They have never acknowledged helping to create Trump"? Wrong. Duh.

[melman]

36. lol

lol

[Gothmog]

37. You are wrong yet again-watch Sixty Mnutes

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[melman]

38. I'm actually not

Nowhere in those clips did do anything remotely like atone or acknowledge their role in creating Trump.

[Gothmog]

39. Again, watch again

Link to tweet

[melman]

40. Watched again

Schmidt: "I was naive" - that's a dodge

Wilson: "I'll look back on this as something...blah blah" - that's a dodge

[Gothmog]

54. Again you are wrong

I am happy that the Lincoln Project is working hard to defeat trump

I am curious. Do you want to defeat trump? If so, why attack a very effective ally who put country over party?. The members of the Lincoln Project have burned their bridges with the GOP These patriots put our country over their old party. Why are you so negative about these patriots?

[GoneOffShore]

63. Read the New Yorker piece on them

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/12/inside-the-lincoln-projects-war-against-trump?

[melman]

64. Paywall

[melman]

66. Okay, I've read it now

I must say I found this part very interesting.

"The following week, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died. Republican leaders immediately began maneuvering to replace her, even though some of them vowed not to fill any vacancy on the Court during an election year. That night, I had dinner with Schmidt, Wilson, and Wiggins, who were concerned that heightened discussion over the policy ramifications—guns, abortion, health care—would interfere with their goal of keeping voters focussed on Trump’s failings. “It’ll be a red-meat circus,” Wiggins said."

[George II]

67. That merely confirms their primary objective, which is to defeat trump. But it is interesting....

...that in an in-depth article of 4700+ words you zero in on that one short paragraph.

Also interesting is that The Cooper Union, which over the last 150 years has become know as an extremely progressive and liberal college, had no qualms about inviting them to speak as part of their lecture program.

[melman]

68. Neither of those things are really all that interesting

[George II]

69. Maybe not to you.

[melman]

70. That's right

Not to me.

[George II]

71. Pity, but interesting to many others. Had I known Wilson was lecturing at the Great Hall....

....I might have attended.

[melman]

72. Many others?

That seems unlikely.





But here's what is interesting. For the last several weeks you've been chasing me around this site insisting I was wrong that the Lincoln Project have been silent on Barrett. Now we have the New Yorker confirming this to be their strategy and you say it just proves they're very focused on something else. Very interesting indeed.

[George II]

73. Likely. In the real world.

[George II]

74. About 1,000 people showed up at the Great Hall to hear Rick Wilson speak - in a very liberal....

...openminded city and neighborhood. That's fact, not "unlikely".

I haven't "chased" you around insisting you were wrong, but it was demonstrated that you were wrong about it - they HAVE spoken about the Barrett nomination. Maybe not as much as you would like them to. The New Yorker hasn't confirmed anything about the Barrett nomination. Yes, they're focused on "something else", they're focused on a number of things, and being the intelligent people that they are, they're capable of doing more than one thing at a time.

The nomination has been made, and sadly there's virtually nothing that can be done to stop the confirmation. Should people continue to wring their hands and stew about it or should they do everything in their power to make sure something like that doesn't happen again?

That's precisely what they're doing - spending millions of dollars trying to make sure trump is defeated and he doesn't have an opportunity of making any more nominations. That's what many of us are doing - making sure that trump is defeated. Unfortunately it appears that not everyone is doing that.

[melman]

75. When Rick Wilson gave his fabulous lecture in the Great Hall..

..did he bring his confederate cooler?










Because that really would be interesting.

[George II]

76. No outside food or beverages permitted in The Great Hall.

[melman]

77. Naturally, but Rick Wilson could have left his confederate cooler in the dressing room

So it's still possible he brought it with him to Cooper Union.

[George II]

80. No dressing rooms in the Foundation Building. Maybe he left it in his Winnebago?

[melman]

81. Incorrect

https://cooper.edu/about/great-hall/rentals



But thank you for acknowledging Rick Wilson is an unrepentant racist with a confederate flag cooler.



I'm glad we can agree on that. Not sure what's funny about it...but still.

[George II]

82. Have you ever been to the Foundation Building to see it? I doubt it.

No, I never acknowledged that Rick Wilson is an unrepentant racist with a confederate flag cooler, we don't agree on that.

Does he really have a confederate flag cooler? All you did was show a photograph of a dog with a confederate cooler in the background (is that Rick Wilson in the photograph?) and a storage room with something that has a star on it, which may or may not be a cooler or even a confederate symbol, and not necessarily his in either photograph.

And it's STILL funny.

The bottom line is, though, he and his associates are doing everything they can to make sure trump is defeated, which is appreciated by most Democrats.

Do you want trump to be re-elected?

[betsuni]

43. Never Trumpers know they bear responsibility for what the party has become.

They helped elect Republicans and the result was Trump and the total corruption of their party. This is why they left it and are making amends.

Stuart Stevens: "I helped elect a lot of Republicans. My firm, which I left a year and a half ago, was more successful at electing Republicans than anyone else. And this is how the party ended up. So how could I not have some responsibility?"

"Blame me." Don't see how it can be any clearer.

[melman]

44. .

[betsuni]

48. Stevens will explain Schmidt's "I was naive" comment.

"I have no one to blame but myself. I believed. That's where it all started to go wrong. I was drawn to a party that espoused a core set of values ... a big-tent party invited all. Legislation would come and go, compromises would be necessary, but these principle were assumed to be shared and defined what it meant to be a Republican for the last fifty years. What a fool I was. All of these immutable truths turned out to be mere marketing slogans. None of it meant anything. ... I saw the warning signs but ignored them and chose to believe what I wanted to believe: the party wasn't just a white grievance party; there was still a big tent; the other guys were worse. Mostly, though, I just didn't think about it. I loved to win and I won a lot."

Similar to the "lesser of two evils" people who fell for the anti-Democratic propaganda about Democrats being neoliberal corporatist shills of Wall Street, the "donor class" and billionaires, that there was no difference between the two parties, both were corrupt and racist and liars. They fell for slogans and buzzwords. They believed what they wanted to believe. It was all a lie. People are naive.

[George II]

49. "You can lead a horse to water, but.............."

[betsuni]

53. lol

Guess it's the same for kittycats and doggies.

[melman]

50. .

[George II]

51. um.......

[betsuni]

57. This forum is for people who want to elect Democrats.

Biden/Harris this year.

[Eliot Rosewater]

83. That is always what I thought too...

[LanternWaste]

78. Ten bucks says you fail to see the irony in your having expressed that...

[melman]

79. 20 says you can't explain this alleged irony

[AmericanCanuck]

87. The TLP are proving to be honest and reliable partners to the Democrats

and are holding all their cards face up on the table. They want to turn the senate blue as well as several swing states blue.

They have left the republican party and perhaps Democrats can forge a left-of-center allegiance with them permanently.

We are a big tent remember? TLP are fiscally conservative but socially liberal and are not beholden to the ultra-religious crowd.

They are also willing to negotiate away some of the things they want instead of being obstreperous.

Together, we will be able to build a better progressive America.

[George II]

26. "They want to be responsible Republicans, like those in the 1950's" - precisely! And even if some...

....people don't want to recognize or accept it, they HAVE, through their actions, "expressed any desire to atone" - actions speak louder than words, and their actions have been deafening.

[betsuni]

30. K&R

[dalton99a]

33. I welcome ammunition from all quarters in this important election

The monster must be evicted

[betsuni]

34. +1

[highplainsdem]

35. Agree completely.

[pecosbob]

42. In six months they'll be on your TV talking about Joe the socialist ruling by edict

The can't help themselves. Schmidt - "I was naive." You bloody gave us Sarah Palin you carbuncle.

[George II]

45. Watch the 60 Minutes segment again. They said they'd never work in republican politics again.

[Statistical]

59. Working in Republican politics doesn't mean they won't attack Joe "the socialist" Biden.

Look I am thankful for TLP to defeat Trump but these are Republicans. They have zero issue with the substance of GOP policies. Tax cuts for billionaires and scrapping the social safety net. Privatizing social security. Union busting. Gutting welfare and increasing defense spending. No money for universal healthcare but plenty to give insane tax breaks to corporations.

These guys want Trump and Trump enablers gone so they can return the GOP to what existed in the 1980s. Guess what the GOP in the 1980s was HORRIBLY REGRESSIVE! It just was a little more polished and nice about it.

[OnDoutside]

65. If things go as we expect, the Republican Party will be in the middle of a shitstorm where all the

snakes, sycophants and enablers, in 6 months time, as they vie to take over the GOP. Look ahead, they can't put the white nationalist scum back in the bottle just like that. Trump will still have a grip on 20% of the Republican Party. Throw on to all that, TLP mission statement is to take down Trumpism and that won't end on Nov 4th. There is a level of Dem changes that they will support, like Joe's healthcare plans, commonsense gun control, the long overdue infrastructure investment, and so much more. The big area I can see where they might have issues is the restructure of the SC, but if it's done without being nakedly partisan (especially if Barrett gets appointed), I can see them buying into that too. Their next target will be the likes of Rubio in 2022, so their work won't end in November.

[Eliot Rosewater]

84. God I PRAY you are right...You do see what you said, that Joe would be prez

and they would be part of the reason why.

If Joe is not prez, AMerica is done, forever, for good, period.

I hope folks get it now, finally!

If they want to help us throw out the NAZI MASS MURDERER so they can then complain about Joe, show me where to sign up.

Oh, I despise their past as much as the next guy, I am more liberal than anyone I know in real life or on this board, but right now NONE of that matters.

[JonLP24]

46. I hated Republicans before Trump

These Lincoln Project assholes hated Obama for 8 years. Where were they in 2016? They're grifters.

[George II]

52. Grifters who are doing a GREAT job of ridding us from the worst president ever. I'll take it.

[11 Bravo]

60. My dear California Peggy, I wholeheartedly agree!

At this point, NOTHING is more important than the defeat and removal from office of the malignant thing currently infecting the White House; and anyone working to that end has my support.

[LAS14]

62. Yup. I agree. We don't want a single party system. nt

[Silver1]

85. I wish them luck too ...

I wish them luck too because of what you said AND because I don't want them infiltrating the democratic party and pushing it to the right.

If they fail with their own party they will try to change ours.

[Gothmog]

86. Good interivew of the Lincoln Project

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