One of two things is going to happen next

[EarlG]

Either Trump is going to succumb to COVID, or he's going to recover.

If he recovers, he's going to try and play it off like it was a walk in the park -- he got through it fine so nobody else should worry about it. It is inevitable that he will do this, because he wants people to think that COVID is no big deal.

Except by that time, almost a QUARTER MILLION Americans will be dead of COVID.

This current president is so irresponsible and negligent that at worst, he might have killed himself.

AT BEST he's personally crippled his own re-election campaign, a month before the election, entirely through his own reckless behavior -- the same reckless behavior he's been encouraging others to engage in, that has resulted in the rapid spread of COVID through our society, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

And he wants another four years?

[Hugin]

1. Thank you, Mr G.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. He wants another four years so he can stay out of prison.

I think that's what it boils down to. Catching the virus makes everything more crazy.

[Escurumbele]

37. Can we believe that he caught the virus, or is this a ploy?

"Coming back stronger than ever", "Defeating the virus", I can see it now...

[C Moon]

51. I wonder when he's going to ask for the election to be delayed.

[SammyWinstonJack]

113. He can't do that.

[Ponietz]

75. I saw this Jeff Tiedrich tweet 2 days ago:

[link:http://

Link to tweet

?s=21|

I put nothing past them but, upon reflection, think the shoe is on the other foot in this instance. Can anyone imagine Goebbels announcing, in late 1944, that Hitler has Parkinson’s disease?

[OMGWTF]

78. Jeff Tiedrich is a national treasure.

[Blue_playwright]

96. If i was his marketing wonk...

... I would totally use those and ramp up some sympathy and empathy.

[ailsagirl]

110. The situation reminds me of the moral to one of Aesop's fables

A bored Boy tending Sheep cried “Wolf!” to get attention. He did it again and people came. A third time and the Boy was ignored. Goodbye flock.

A liar will not be believed, even when telling the truth.

[drmeow]

60. Or to not be wearing Russian cement shoes

Between Putin and the Russian mob I suspect non-president Trump's life isn't worth a wooden nickel.

[flibbitygiblets]

102. or even a polonium ruble!

[Javaman]

3. even if the orange asshole survives and tries to "play it off as nothing"

he's going to drop a bunch of weight and that will be very hard to hide and play off as nothing.

[tblue37]

56. He weighs 289, according to what I read last night. Chris Cuomo lost 13 pounds.

That wouldn't make a dent in how a 289 pound man looks.

[AZ8theist]

107. That's nonsense. He's 315 if he's a pound.

I know because I'm 6'2" and weigh over 300 and I look way better than him. And not because of great muscles, either!!!

[tclambert]

100. I hope he suffers lung and other organ damage to the point where he can't go golfing.

[Binkie The Clown]

4. Or it will drag on for months, like it sometimes does. nt

[soothsayer]

7. Right! There's a bit of real estate between die and recover

Acres and acres

[Hortensis]

99. Yes, my favorite possibility -- demonstrating debility and

damaged health to all who believed his lies about it, along with the rest of the electorate, while not giving preter-patient VP Pence, and cabal, a chance to take over.

[Skraxx]

5. Yup, It's an UNMITIGATED Disaster for Trump, His Campaign and the Whole GOP, No Matter the Outcome

A total fucking disaster of his own making that highlights how reckless, stupid and irresponsible he is and there are NO good options for him on this AT ALL.

[Thekaspervote]

28. Agree totally!!

Even if he recovers he will not be able to campaign. If he tries even his base will be served a weak tea, a shell of the former blustering big mouth bully. They won’t like that!

The gop is going to suffer losses over this as well..absolutely

[johnnyfins]

65. Nah

They have their stacked Supreme Court. That's all they give a fuck about at this point.

[mjvpi]

71. Correct. For the GOP it's all about corporate power.

Any fool who can fog a mirror and yell socialism

[MarcA]

84. Yes, that Is their bottom line. n/t

[getagrip_already]

74. they care about the senate! that's what it will take to keep that lovely court if biden wins.....

Because they just know that if we have 3 houses under control, the 9 justice court will be a dusty memory.

But the real question is, would the current court find packing the court unconstitutional and refuse to allow it.....

[central scrutinizer]

6. The irony is

If he had acted responsibly starting back in February instead of lying and minimizing, the country would be in a much better place and he would probably be cruising to a second term.

[Caliman73]

38. You are correct but one has to assume a non-Trump world for that scenario.

Trump is at the whim of world events. He reacts, and his reactions are based solely on what he thinks is best for his image.

Logically, one would infer that being a leader, making the tough decisions, and doing a competent job like President Obama did for 8 years, would lead to success. President Obama will be remembered in the top 10 Presidents of all time in my opinion for his handling of the economic recovery, his handling of 3 potential pandemics, and for the ACA.

Trump, could have spared the economy and saved tens of thousands, if not more, people if he would have just levelled with us, told us about the seriousness, and allowed the experts to do their jobs. We would likely be like New Zealand, South Korea, Canada, etc... right now and Biden would have NO chance of winning.

Thing is, Trump has never had that kind of make up. He is wired to do the very minimum that he thinks will help him escape responsibility and avoid humiliation. He's a runner. He has spent his entire life avoiding prison and financial ruin. He leave a wake of disaster behind him.

There was never a chance that he would do the right thing because he doesn't have the capacity to see the "right thing" in terms of what other people need.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

73. Or even what he needs.

He only knows what he wants.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

8. One please.

[Laelth]

9. I suspect that he will survive. Most do.

But I doubt that he will recover quickly. Recall that Boris Johnson spent weeks in the hospital after coming down with COVID-19. It depends upon the severity of Trump’s infection, but it’s entirely possible that he will be down-and-out through election day. It’s possible that Trump’s election campaign is effectively over. That’s my suspicion, in any event.



-Laelth

[peacebuzzard]

15. Especially with priority access to designer medical care

Anything is possible to cure this s.o.b. Personally I wish the devil would take him now.

[Laelth]

20. I have every reason to believe that the Devil DOESN'T WANT HIM.

If I were the Devil, I would be afraid of the competition if I allowed Trump into hell.



-Laelth

[peacebuzzard]

29. You're right.

No one wants his ass.

[Larissa]

68. Satan has no time for Trump's hairdo issues

Trump's going to the Inferno to work. Period.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/575757133607624862/

[yellowdogintexas]

87. The Hairdresser From Hell will shave his head

that would be a yuge punishment

[jcgoldie]

39. Right but the mortality rate for septuagenarians is 10% and higher for men than women

Add to that the fact that he's obese and may have other preexisting conditions and its no slam dunk he recovers his chances may be 75%.

[LymphocyteLover]

40. the death rate for 70+ men is significant though -- over 15%

[napi21]

104. There's another thing too. He lives a very sedentary life style. He even rides from green to green

in a golf cart. That will make a difference in his body's ability to deal with this illness.

[LymphocyteLover]

112. Yeah-- he's not healthy

Noel Casler has talked about this a lot

[grantcart]

44. Agree even if he had a fatal case he will get the "keep him alive" treatment

He could have severe long term effects.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

82. And most of those who die are older and obese.

Many have diabetes and high blood pressure as well. He almost undoubtedly has the high bp, I'm less certain about the diabetes, but his crappy diet makes one suspicious.

[backroadblast]

10. Lacks the courage

i said the same in a different thread, but i think it's more fake BS from the dumb carrot to get out of more debates...'

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. What, a hoax illness? Who could have thought of such a Republicon scheme?

[BComplex]

11. Plus, he might be one of the people that didn't get a big dose of the virus, and he might be

fine in a couple of weeks. Some people don't get as sick as others, due to the amount of virus they were exposed to, according to Fauci.

[malaise]

12. It's over EarlG

Vote him Out! A fitting implosion by Covid- ByeDon!

[Skraxx]

31. Yup. Trump has COVID. And...Scene.

Stick a fork in his campaign.

[Newest Reality]

13. He'll be fine?

Just apply light and heat and it will go away like a miracle.

[edhopper]

14. You forgot

bleach

[Newest Reality]

16. Oh, thanks!

[smb]

108. The Formula

[peacebuzzard]

17. Yup. Drink your Clorox now dump.n/t

[hlthe2b]

19. Or he has serious lingering and incapacitating symptoms--that occurs in 15% or more patients

including my ER Nurse sister, who has developed hypertension and chronic intractable migraine, fairly nonresponsive to standard drug therapy. She's not been back to work since her initial illness May 4.

An enormous prospective study is now underway in UK:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

So, it is not merely mild/asymptomatic versus near death/death. The middle ground can be devastating as well.

[Ligyron]

47. Even now, how can he be trusted to safely make the important decisions necessary?

This guy can't hold that office and do that job anymore whether it's just temporarily or permanently. It was just announced that he had to cancel a conference call with a group of senior citizens today. How easy a task would that be to engage in? Knowing his ego, one would think he'd never back out of something that easy and low profile to do unless his symptoms were quite noticeable.

I'm not going with more complex explanations and they ain't quite that clever, the dude is ill 4 real.

[LudwigPastorius]

54. Ordinarily, I would think that the 25th amendment would need to be invoked.

For, how can a president truly engage in informed governance if he is in quarantine, unable to interact face to face with a roomful of advisors and deputies?

But, Trump's version of the job has been little more than watching TV and chuffing down buckets of KFC while whining over the phone to Hannity. So, not much will change.

[Quixote1818]

21. Better chance he just gets really sick for a while then him actually dying

He could end up in the hospital for a span, maybe through the election.

[FakeNoose]

77. If it gets into his lungs, he's probably a goner

... and he's already coughing with a mild temperature.

I think they plan on giving him the plasma transfusion though, the secret "cure" they're saving for the truly worthy rich-guys. They've been collecting plasma donations from Covid survivors for the last 6 months or so, just so they'll be ready for when Chump comes down with it.

[Boogiemack]

22. Actually, I believe this is his second time around with the virus.

He's been sick for a while. A few months ago, he looked terrible and then there was that secret trip to Walter Reed. He may have recovered from it them, somewhat, but a new exposure has kicked his butt. The virus can be cumulative and the extent of the viral load is determinative.

[BlueStater]

32. The trip to Walter Reed was in November of last year.

That was probably before the virus even existed at all.

He’s never been confirmed to have gotten it any other time besides now.

[Ligyron]

48. My time does fly.

Got me too.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

101. Got news for you.. I live in NorCal, near the Capital & I got sick on DECEMBER 28TH with what I

thought, initially, was the worst flu I had EVER undergone. Couldn't figure out why I was so sick, (Boo was sick too).. We both had gotten our flu shots etc & yes, I know that vaccination does NOT guarantee no flu but this dragged out for the better part of 5 months, (anosmia, barely able to taste anything, myalgia beyond belief, tummy issues..) but for me, not being able to even speak without extended jags of coughing that often ended in vomitting. I couldn't get a test because, well, of course I couldn't and now, I'm considered to be "presumptive positive". I cannot tell you just how many people who travelled to the West coast for business, pleasure or the holidays, only to return to their states to come down with "the worst f&%*$#g flu" they've EVER had. Alot of them ended up in hospital, with pneumonias, pericarditis, ad horridum. Some were able to get tested for CoV19, aka SARS2 by clinicians who had dealt with patients who got sick with that version of coronavirus & because they'd been informed about the outbreak in Wuhan, they got tested these patients for influenza, (ALL the strains circulating at the time) & they were, to a person, NEGATIVE. For those clinicians that were able to get tests for SARS2, the VAST majority tested positive...That virus was {{HERE}}on the West Coast IN late OCTOBER/early NOVEMBER 2019! ETA: I was tested for INFLUENZA & guess what? It came back more negative than a healthy man 's result on a pregnancy test! So, there's that...

[True Blue American]

50. Excuse to resign?

[William Seger]

23. I just hope he's scared shitless

[AnotherMother4Peace]

30. Donald is about as big a coward that ever was. He's scared shitless.

[LudwigPastorius]

58. Trump's a total germaphobe.

If he recovers, this will probably tip him over into full Howard Hughes psychosis, living off of nothing but canned peaches and wearing Kleenex boxes on his feet.

[thucythucy]

24. My greatest fear is for Vice President Biden.

The future of humanity rests on his shoulders.

If I had my way I'd want him to refrain from campaigning except under the absolutely safest of circumstances.

Presidential candidates never campaigned in the modern sense until Theodore Roosevelt. Until he started his railway tours, candidates ran from their "front porch." It was considered demeaning to the office to run around begging for votes.

That said, I love a good campaign rally as much as anyone. But under the current state of affairs I want the Vice President to take every conceivable precaution.

[True Blue American]

55. It was heartwarming

To see all those people at the tiny towns in Ohio and Pa. show up with their signs and excitement.

Really reminded you of our good days. People will be talking about seeing Biden for years! Good, old fashioned whistle stop!

[Evolve Dammit]

94. yes. Agreed. Lay low Joe. Do photo ops and press briefings/statements from a safe location.

[brooklynite]

25. Even if he comes out fine and says it was no problem, by then millions of more votes will be banked

[Scalded Nun]

26. Look for a push to delay the election

I am not saying it will happen, but I suspect it will. He will risk his own life to, at the very least, delay the inevitable by 4 years. Possibly with a complete takeover he could escape a judgment day all-together. I see him as rating this as a worthwhile gamble.

[Thekaspervote]

33. Nope...the gop congress critters would lose as well. Their terms end if not re-elected, just like

Him. The country can’t stop for him. Pelosi would become President. He..they have no good options

[Turin_C3PO]

111. He can't do that.

People will vote him out and then in January he‘ll be out of office, willingly or unwillingly.

[Cracklin Charlie]

27. He could lose 50 pounds.

He may look really bad if/when he recovers.

[world wide wally]

34. I hope he gets sicker than a dog for a couple of weeks and then recovers for his trial

[machoneman]

114. NO! No full recovery. Left sick a a dog, on a ventilator, unable to use Twitter. Then, lets see...

...the bedisde manenrs of Malaria, the kids, Kellyskank Spinway, Bill Fatass Barr, Ron Johnson his Russian tag team partner, Mitch McTurtle, Bill Lee, Bill Stepien and more.

I can't wait for them to start blaming Hicks, Trump or another for being the #1 super-spreader.

Let the games begin!

[asiliveandbreathe]

35. Anytime EarlG speaks up I listen..the voice of reason..and even more common sense,

I am having all I can do to maintain a non-conspiratorial mindset..(harkening back to VN, or Iraq) so, thank you EarlG for peeling me off the ceiling..

[Nitram]

36. In Trumps' case, who will enforce rules requiring people who have contracted the Covid-19 virus

to isolate themselves from the public?

[MissB]

41. I expect this will be another nail in his re-election coffin

He’s done.

[BlueStater]

57. May be one in his *literal* coffin too.

I’m just saying.

[pandr32]

42. He may recover, but since he is already experiencing symptoms it won't be quick

He was already in weakened condition after mysterious trips to Walter Reed and showed what appeared to be mild symptoms of a stroke. Not to mention he obviously has pre-existing conditions, one being obesity, and another old-age.
People who have contracted the virus repeatedly claim it started off with mild symptoms, but instead of getting better it got worse--unlike the flu, and lasted for weeks.
I would bet he will make it all about him. Because he has been working so hard, etc.
Just my two cents.

[Happy Hoosier]

43. He'll probably survive...

But I see no positive political outcome from this.

[In_The_Wind]

45. He's already shown his best isn't good enough for America. It's time for him to go.

[Traildogbob]

46. If

He survives he will claim he took meds He and Jarod are heavily invested in and make billions from fools.
Very soon he will blame Obama for leaving it in the White Man’s House.

[LudwigPastorius]

49. Well, Jefe.

There is a middle possibility.

He worsens to the point of being on a ventilator for weeks, nearly to the brink of death before recovering. So, the danger of a virus that almost kills him can't be denied.

Bonus points for this scenario, because the first thing he'll hear after being sedated and out of it for a month is "You lost".

[NoMoreRepugs]

52. A morbidly obese, (I prefer FATFUCK) , out of shape 70+ year old is NOT going to be back

in "campaign shape" prior to the election no matter how much adderall he snorts. This should be an interesting 4+ weeks to say the least.

[tblue37]

53. Of he could "recover" but become a long-hauler.

[Larissa]

59. I bet dollars to donuts (with extra crispy fried KFC chicken)

. . . that Trump is eventually hospitalized. The White House wants to make it sound like sweetness and light, but Trump's physicians won't take any chances if his condition starts heading south. And that can happen rather suddenly with Covid-19 patients.

[drmeow]

61. Recovery could be Chris Cuomo

Style recovery or it could be 10 days on a ventilator and months of rehab recovery. The latter he can't play off.

[Illumination]

62. He has a lot going against him to survive C-19 (& already having symptoms). He's an "elevated

risk for a bad outcome" because of his age, weight & other health problems. Let's not forget
also about what's called the "long haulers". These are people that have C-19 reoccurring debilitating symptoms. To the point of being classified as disabled! Some people have NEVER gotten over C-19 needing lung transplants, etc.!!!

[IronLionZion]

63. It's laughable seeing how Freepers are trying to spin this

as Trump was out there in the heartland meeting with real Americans while Joe Biden sheltered in place like a liberal elitist.

[Auggie]

64. There's a third thing too ...

he uses this illness as a face-saving exit strategy. Win or lose the election, he resigns in time for a "blanket pardon" from Pence.

Of course a "blanket pardon" (or whatever they may call it) is total bullshit, but that's not the point. The main goal is to take such a concept to the highest court -- SCOTUS.

[Demsrule86]

66. He should be tried at the Hague for crimes against humanity. Trump is a monster.

And now we see a real life example of Karma.

[ismnotwasm]

67. I hope he suffers

I’ve taken care of covid patients. My hospital tries to limit the number we have because we do a LOT of surgery.

Anyway, one in particular was hospitalized twice, and is currently depended on oxygen. In and out of ICU. They are young parent with a family, the recovery is taking a long time. The pain was horrible, the shortness of breath, the general miserableness, the inability to see the kids, or family, the loss of their job, the stress of all of it.

I mean Fuck Trump. He needs to feel what so many Americans have felt. So many around the world.

[BarbD]

69. My crystal ball is pretty cloudy.........still "mild" symptoms

will slow him down. COVID being an equal opportunity spreader will have a devastating effect on the WH staff.

[Nasruddin]

70. There's a 3rd alternative

Probably others have mentioned it.

He could slowly recover, but be essentially incapacitated for a long time (perhaps permanently). This is a moment of very great danger for the country.

[PatrickforO]

72. Yes, indeed. It looks like people are turning on him in anger

because of that reckless behavior, and his whole party is in disarray.

I had another thought. If Trump has to be put on a ventilator, the constitution requires the 25th Amendment to be invoked and the Vice President sworn in, either temporarily or permanently. Now, the right-wing has created a monster crazy-paranoia machine with QAnon and all that. What if these people start treating this like a coup perpetrated by Pence and McConnell against the Beloved Leader?

They've been doing the same kind of thing to us for decades. It will be interesting to see if their noise machine turns against the GOP. It will be interesting to watch this play out.

One thing is sure, though. We need to vote, vote, vote so that Trump and his minions are completely overcome by such a margin it will be impossible to say the election was rigged.

And then, Earl, we will begin the long slog back to restoring the republic. As Biden (who tested negative, along with Harris, thank God) says, we will restore the soul of America and build back better!

Talk about karmic justice or cosmic irony or whatever you want to call it...

[marieo1]

76. Wake up DJT

It's the same reckless behavior he's lived by his whole life. I wonder in his lifetime, how many people he has damaged!! Maybe this is a wake-up call!!

[apnu]

79. Yeah Trump wants another 4 years. He's that kind of nimrod. (nt)

[marble falls]

80. Fine OP.

[BigmanPigman]

81. So ironic...the thing that he blew off as a hoax

so there would still be a good economy for his reelection. Now, at the last few weeks he gets the hoax and it may ruin the election for him.

[H2O Man]

83. "at worst"????

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The worst case is that the good and decent people at the debate on Tuesday were exposed to the virus by Trump's family and friends who refused towear masks.

[Maeve]

85. He could end up on a ventilator or develop long-haul problems

Either would prevent the "it wasn't so bad" line.

I would like to see him learn something from this, but I don't expect him to do so.

[Lucinda]

86. I doubt he wants another 4 years - he does NEED them though - to stay out of the pokey

[cilla4progress]

88. But, but...door No. 3

He recovers somewhat but has a terrible, terrible time of / with it! Maybe use it as basis to resign and have Pence pardon him from federal crimes / liability?

[lettucebe]

89. I will be shocked to my core if he has an easy time of it

He's old, male, obese, obviously has health issues, maybe breathing issues (anyone remember the crap coming out of his nose incident?), and who knows what else. I'll be really surprised if he doesn't have a terrible time, and who is voting for someone in ICU? Not terribly sure but that's a vote for the VP, not the president and at last count no one likes Pence much, including mother.

[TygrBright]

90. It's not that he 'wants' another 4 (8? 12?) years... heavens no. He thinks he is OWED it. n/t

[niyad]

91. Actually, he wants another twelve. . .or his lifetime.

[Martin Eden]

92. Trump could survive but have chronic health issues

For example, he could develop mental pathologies like malignant narcissism and an inability to distinguish fact from fiction.

[LiberalLovinLug]

93. At least his super spreader rallies are nixed

He dares not hold another one, even if he recovers okay.


uh...I guess I shouldn't be so sure about that. But politically it would now be even more damaging you'd think. Plus he's probably chicken shit now to do another one.

[Solomon]

95. We need a piling on smilie so I can pile on

appropriately.

K and R

[Cha]

97. Exactly! And, the Puppet "won't commit to a Peaceful

transfer of power" And, he is Blatantly trying to Rig the fucking election.

But he wants 4 more years of this INSANE Night of the Living Dead Nightmare?!!!

Not on our Watch.

[live love laugh]

98. At BEST he may have killed himself. nt

[wryter2000]

103. Or he could be sick for a really long time

And emerge damaged from his ordeal.

[ecstatic]

105. Perfectly stated. nt

[panfluteman]

106. Trump Craves Holding onto Power Like a Crackhead Craves Crack.

He can't help himself. And don't forget the orange jumpsuit they have waiting for him the day he leaves the White House.

[Beartracks]

109. If he dies and Pence is sworn in before Nov 3rd... who is on the Republican ticket?

Is it automatically Pence heading the ticket, who then chooses a running mate? Or is the ticket still Trump/Pence, with Pence in the VP slot?

Genuinely don't know what happens in such a circumstance.

==========

[dameatball]

115. Only way I see him benefiting significantly is if he is treated with a "miracle vaccine" that will

save us all. Not likely.

[Nitram]

116. At his age, I highly doubt Trump is going to rapidly recover with no after effects.

At the very least, his ass will be severely dragging.