Majority of Republicans Believe 2008 Election was Stolen

[theKed]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/poll-gop-base-thinks-obama-didnt-actually-win-2008-election----acorn-stole-it.php

"The new national poll from Public Policy Polling (D) has an astonishing number about paranoia among the GOP base: Republicans do not think President Obama actually won the 2008 election -- instead, ACORN stole it.

...

The poll asked this question: "Do you think that Barack Obama legitimately won the Presidential election last year, or do you think that ACORN stole it for him?" The overall top-line is legitimately won 62%, ACORN stole it 26%.

Among Republicans, however, only 27% say Obama actually won the race, with 52% -- an outright majority -- saying that ACORN stole it, and 21% are undecided. Among McCain voters, the breakdown is 31%-49%-20%. By comparison, independents weigh in at 72%-18%-10%, and Democrats are 86%-9%-4%.

...SNIP"

[B Calm]

1. Acorn stole it, damn they caught on. .

[JRLeft]

2. LFMAO!

[BadgerKid]

3. With both sides feeling the other side cheats,

you'd think there would be bipartisan support for verifiable, secure elections.

[msongs]

4. would be happy if at least dems supported it lol nt

[Cha]

5. They're so brainwashed...poor

things need a good deprogramming. Shame on them for letting themselves get bamboozled.

[Posteritatis]

6. That's going to be the new normal for the next several cycles. (nt)

[gateley]

7. "...or do you think Acorn stole it for him?" ?????? Wow. I bet

a lot of those people had never even heard about Acorn!

Who cares what they think, anyway?

[Hey Jude]

8. OMG! Can you imagine the ridicule that would ensue if the Democratic Party

would excuse every lost election with delusions of it being stolen?

It would make us look like complete Morons and losers.

[nobodyspecial]

31. Wow, you are soooo clever.

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Florida *WAS* stolen. An independent count of the votes -- you know, a full count that the GOP blocked -- DID show that Gore won the majority of the vote. And it was stolen in Ohio in 2004. http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm

While the GOP has boogeymen, the Democrats have actual FACTS on their side to back them up.

[Viva_Daddy]

9. "Even the gods stuggle in vain with ignorance." - ancient Greek saying

[nobodyspecial]

30. Sorry

wrong place

[Archae]

10. There was one election that was actually stolen...

Hayes-Tilden. 1876.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1876

I wouldn't call the 2000 or 2004 elections, stolen, although there were a LOT of shenanigans by the GOP.

[silvershadow]

11. Well, what will they say then in November since they don't have ACORN to kick around anymore? n/t

[Viva_Daddy]

12. DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt; it’s Republican Kool-aide.

[pkdu]

13. Here's the important number in that Poll....9% + 4% of people who claim to be democrats in Polls

Are NOT.

[truebluegreen]

14. the delusion is strong in them...

and the schadenfreude is strong in me!

[HiPointDem]

15. well, the majority of democrats think 2000 was stolen, so we're even.

[aquart]

16. They couldn't have said it better on Fox.

[HiPointDem]

17. what? you seem to have misunderstood me.

[NoPasaran]

21. Facts not in evidence

[brush]

26. And 2004

And 2004, don't forget all the repug shenanigans in Ohio with Ken Blackwell, the Secretary of State in charge of elections also being the head of the Bush campaign in Ohio. Talk about conflict of interests.

[Greybnk48]

40. AND 2004.

There's an asterisk next to Bush*/Cheney* in 2004 for a reason. Never forget.

[longship]

18. We see them here, too, all the hair on fire "they're gonna steal it" threads.

Hate them. Conspiracy theory central. No data but post hoc generalizations, mystery mongering, and ad hoc theories.

The They are going to steal it meme is utter rubbish.

[lunatica]

22. You're funny

Wide eyed, innocent as the driven snow, totally lacking in voter fraud history, but funny.

[longship]

36. Arrrrgh! They're stealing it!!!!!!

They're gonna steal the election!
They're gonna steal the election!
They're gonna steal the election!
They're gonna steal the election!
They're gonna steal the election!
They're gonna steal the election!
They're gonna steal the election!

Quick! Run around in panic!!

That meme died four years ago, my friend.

If you really believe that, step up as a poll watcher.

[lunatica]

38. You're the one with your hair on fire

And I'm not your friend Mitt.

[longship]

41. I am not worried at all about it.

You can only play the game if the election is close, like in 2000.

But, there are a bunch of DUers who now see 2000 in every election. If a Democrat loses they start screaming it was stolen. The WI recall is a classic example. It wasn't close. Therefore, it wasn't stolen. Period.

Democrats sometimes lose.

If you disagree, put your money where your mouth is and step up as a poll watcher. It is boring work, but necessary. I have done it more times than I care to relate. Contact your county party and become part of the solution instead of running around with your hair on fire about stolen elections which have not even happened yet.

I am done here.

[nobodyspecial]

32. Read this and tell me it's just a wild conspiracy

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm

[longship]

35. It's a wild conspiracy.

Voter fraud is minimum. Every step is overseen by bipartisan overseers. If you disagree, step up and volunteer to help out. Become a poll watcher. Or an overseer in your county's ballot count.

Then, and only then, can you claim election theft.

We all know about the ID scam. The AG's seem to be doing a credible job at roping them in. (Not everywhere, but wherever it's challenged, it is going down in flames in the courts.)

The result is a national effort to register voters and get people proper IDs. In other words, the voter ID laws just may get out more Dem votes. I have no data on this, but there is substantial activity in FL and PA in this area, as reported here on DU.

So, all calm down. Only a very close election is subject to fraud, like 2000 and 2004. This one isn't going to be close.

Stop setting your hair on fire and get to work. Then, there will be no stolen elections. Problem solved.

[modem77]

19. It appears they lack critical thinking and believe whatever Rush Limbaugh tells them.

Facts be damned.

[quaker bill]

20. since ACORN is gone,

who will they blame for "stealing it" this time?? Polls are now suggesting the margin of victory could be a good bit larger than 2008.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

33. Why, Planned Parenthood, silly....

Aren't you on distribution for the memo?

[quaker bill]

45. I have not seen the PP voter registration drives, so

perhaps I live in the wrong place (this could be true for a number of reasons). Perhaps they will blame the Leage of Women Voters, after all BHO is running quite well with women.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

46. That's true....

The Republican Party will never lack for scapegoats.

[lunatica]

23. You seem to be concerned about what they think

Stupid can't be fixed.

[davidpdx]

24. Let them believe what they want

They can cling to their guns and religion and plot to overthrow the government. We know that's where things are headed.

[renie408]

25. But, see, this makes me wonder if OUR paranoia about THEM is equally

crazy.

You can never see your own crazy. It's easy to spot everybody else's, but your own eludes you.

Are we crazy, too? Cause I really worry about the GOP stealing elections.

[brush]

29. It's good to worry

It's good to worry because they actually do steal elections (Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004). The idea of Acorn committing voter fraud is a figment of repug imagination spurred on by a phonied up video tape of repug dirty trickster James O'keefe masquerading as a pimp in an Acorn office. Time and again, even with all the voter ID campaigns being put forward by repug pols they haven't been able to cite anything but 1 or 2 cases of actual voter fraud to backup their claims that the IDs are necessary. It's been said that Octomom has more kids than there are voter fraud instances.

[xoom]

44. What if the repukes cited themselves for reasons to

Have the new ID laws. Haha

[Ganja Ninja]

27. There's a difference between actual belief and denial or willful ignorance.

They know the truth they just can't admit it. They wouldn't need to try and block the vote this time if they didn't already know what the likely outcome is going to be.

[gollygee]

28. There seem to be about 25% of Republicans who will believe anything so long as it's negative

about Obama.

25% give Romney credit over Obama for catching Osama bin Laden. 25% would agree to anything which discredits Obama no matter how stupid it is.

[GoCubsGo]

34. Not surprising.

They believe that Jesus rode a dinosaur, too. And, that Al Gore has a special air plane that he flies around changing the weather to prove that Global Warming is real. And, that a guy who eats pork, drinks beer, has a wife that regularly bears her arms and shoulders is a Muslim. And, that Sarah Palin is fit for high office. They truly are deluded crazy people.

[porphyrian]

37. Don't most cheaters suspect their partner is cheating and angrily accuse them of it? n/t

[Renew Deal]

39. Republicans have won the popular vote 1 time after 1988

I don't think they're facing reality as usual.

[spanone]

42. right. i seem to remember the supreme court installing him...no wait that was george w bu$h*

[LiberalFighter]

43. Why did Public Policy Polling decide to have a poll suggesting Acorn as a response?

If we got rid of the people that believe this nonsense the test results for school core classes would be much higher. It might help to first start by getting rid of the people that insert stupid fluff pieces in news programs at both the local and national level.

[Cass]

47. Acorn stole it? Really?

These people need to get a hobby, get out more. Faux News is rotting their brain.