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BlueWavePsych

(2,634 posts)
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 10:14 PM Sep 2020

Signs of bottom falling out of Drumpf campaign

Early signs the bottom might be falling out on Trump in 2020, just as it did for McCain this same week in 2008

Since 2000, presidential elections have been won in the margins. Some wins were bigger than others. But compared to the previous century, this two-decade period of competitive elections is a testament to how polarized the country has become.

But there is one exception to the recent rule: Barack Obama’s landslide victory in 2008. In November, Obama stomped all over Republican John McCain. Obama took 68 percent of Electoral College votes by winning states like Indiana and Virginia that no Democrat had won since 1964.

For most of that year, the 2008 presidential campaign didn’t feel like a landslide at all. Indeed, in early September national polling from reputable outlets like the Associated Press, CBS News, and ABC News all had McCain ahead of Obama. A USA Today/Gallup poll had McCain up 10 points on Labor Day weekend.

But shortly after, the bottom fell out on McCain.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/09/17/nation/early-signs-bottom-might-be-falling-out-trump-2020-just-it-did-mccain-this-same-week-2008/



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Signs of bottom falling out of Drumpf campaign (Original Post) BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 OP
subscription required at link nt msongs Sep 2020 #1
Firefox shows full article. BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #3
The financial crisis caused voters to turn on the GOP...they hadn't shown competence. But now Karadeniz Sep 2020 #2
A lot of the "Old Guard" GOP sure seems to have turned hard on Trump Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2020 #7
Republican big-money has decided to come back to Donald. Election will be close. NCjack Sep 2020 #4
Nah BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #5
Nope. There is actually a YUGE spike for Dems today. BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #6
Wow, Biden's leads have grown! ananda Sep 2020 #8
That's not how I remember 2008 DFW Sep 2020 #9
Also remember the incumbent usually has a YUGE advantage Withywindle Sep 2020 #10
He's skimming donors money from it duforsure Sep 2020 #11
One hopes that to be the case Sherman A1 Sep 2020 #12

Karadeniz

(22,281 posts)
2. The financial crisis caused voters to turn on the GOP...they hadn't shown competence. But now
Thu Sep 17, 2020, 10:24 PM
Sep 2020

The GOP base doesn't care about true competence. They just want to hear Trump say he's competent, that's all they need to be happy and support him.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,355 posts)
7. A lot of the "Old Guard" GOP sure seems to have turned hard on Trump
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 05:59 PM
Sep 2020

with a sizable number of them defecting to Biden, a Democrat, which seems unthinkable for a sitting President any other year in recent history. A lot of Republicans weren't crazy about Trump in 2016 either and some left him after the Acess Hollywood Tape- but then some came back towards the end because (I guess) they just couldn't bring themselves to vote for HRC.

DFW

(54,056 posts)
9. That's not how I remember 2008
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:22 AM
Sep 2020

As I recall it, the primary battle between Clinton and Obama was so bitterly fought precisely because everyone knew that the winner of the Democratic primaries was going to be the next president.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
10. Also remember the incumbent usually has a YUGE advantage
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:59 AM
Sep 2020

In 2008 there was no incumbent.

For an incumbent to be flailing this badly in the polls is a VERY bad sign for him.

This does NOT mean we don't need to work hard to GOTV and fight voter suppression, of course. I just think there's reason for hope and optimism, and we really do need some of that right now.

duforsure

(11,882 posts)
11. He's skimming donors money from it
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 08:28 AM
Sep 2020

Like he's done to his other businesses to pay his debts and extreme lifestyle with, which has always been a part of his con job claiming his wealth with it. .

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