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jorgevlorgan

(8,232 posts)
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 06:34 PM Sep 2020

What are your feelings on the green party?


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They are a malevolant, useless third party who clearly exist for no other purpose than to subvert democracy and help elect horrible presidents.
24 (89%)
They are an honest, good third party with good intentions and a just platform who simply want to expand our democracy.
3 (11%)
I vote Green Party for president in every election. I plan to vote Green party this year over Joe Biden.
0 (0%)
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What are your feelings on the green party? (Original Post) jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 OP
PS jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #1
they should start at the local level and gradually expand their base instead of starting at the top msongs Sep 2020 #2
The fact they fail so horribly at being able to do that makes me question their motivations jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #3
That's what I said 20 years ago to some earnest youngster. At that time I think neither of us... Hekate Sep 2020 #32
I used to be a Green Party member. Codeine Sep 2020 #4
Same here. Don't like what they've been doing. It's too bad, GreenPartyVoter Sep 2020 #16
Follow the money. Laelth Sep 2020 #5
Agreed a hundred percent. jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #6
F*CK 'EM. lastlib Sep 2020 #7
.... jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #8
Green Party is great in a parliamentary system where 3rd parties can be grantcart Sep 2020 #9
Another description: The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2020 #10
Spot on assessment ! Docreed2003 Sep 2020 #11
+10,000 jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #15
Jill Stein is a Putin lover. roamer65 Sep 2020 #12
To quote the Bard, "What's in a name?" DFW Sep 2020 #13
Honestly, I just ignore them. demmiblue Sep 2020 #14
Spoilers. LakeArenal Sep 2020 #17
Not voting, but here's my choice mcar Sep 2020 #18
Nice in theory..but in practice they're stillcool Sep 2020 #19
🖕🏼 we can do it Sep 2020 #20
GREEN Party: Getting Republicans Elected Every November DinahMoeHum Sep 2020 #21
GREEN Party: Getting Republicans Elected Every November DinahMoeHum Sep 2020 #22
A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump Gothmog Sep 2020 #23
People are entitled to their views. meadowlander Sep 2020 #24
Thank you for this response Ani Yun Wiya Sep 2020 #30
When the choice is a "right leaning centrist" and a fascist jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #33
The Left Auxiliary Of The Republican Party, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2020 #25
I agree with their views a lot of the time, but.. mvd Sep 2020 #26
They are a bunch of elite, entitled WhiteTara Sep 2020 #27
Euro, Canadian Greens are fine. The American Greens have been subverted Tarc Sep 2020 #28
That Photo With Putin Says It All Willto Sep 2020 #29
They exist in the US to help Republicans win. They don't care score the environment or any other li JI7 Sep 2020 #31
You've neglected a more appropriate answer: Act_of_Reparation Sep 2020 #34
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. dawg Sep 2020 #35

msongs

(67,199 posts)
2. they should start at the local level and gradually expand their base instead of starting at the top
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 06:37 PM
Sep 2020

they want to run for president but not dogcatcher

jorgevlorgan

(8,232 posts)
3. The fact they fail so horribly at being able to do that makes me question their motivations
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 06:40 PM
Sep 2020

Also the part where Republicans are their main benefactor, Jill Stein had lunch with Putin, etc, etc... Their insidious intentions are as clear as day.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
32. That's what I said 20 years ago to some earnest youngster. At that time I think neither of us...
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 04:47 AM
Sep 2020

...knew just how cynical the leadership would reveal itself to be, nor how willing to be manipulated by bad actors.

Over time I grew utterly appalled at what the US Green Party became. I hope the youngster figured it out as well.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
4. I used to be a Green Party member.
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 06:41 PM
Sep 2020

I always voted D, but maintained my Green Party status for many years just because. After a while I switched because third parties are just a waste of time and effort.

Note that this was decades ago and is entirely unrelated to Jill Stein and all that bullshit.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
16. Same here. Don't like what they've been doing. It's too bad,
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 06:59 PM
Sep 2020

because the original idea was good. Too bad ranked choice voting got off the ground so late.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
5. Follow the money.
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 06:41 PM
Sep 2020

Most of their money comes from right-wingers and conservative activists. Their sole purpose is to peel votes away from the Democratic Party and to sow division among Democrats.

That said, I agree with much of their platform, but politics is a team sport, and, in the end, the Greens hurt my team.

-Laelth

lastlib

(22,981 posts)
7. F*CK 'EM.
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 06:43 PM
Sep 2020

With pitchforks. Old, rusty, manure-encrusted, virus- and tetanus-infected pitchforks. Sideways.

Aside from that, I'm pretty much neutral on 'em..................

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. Green Party is great in a parliamentary system where 3rd parties can be
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 06:45 PM
Sep 2020

Part of a coalition

In a binary system like we have it equates to a Republican vote

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
10. Another description:
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 06:46 PM
Sep 2020

They are a party of clueless Che Guevara cosplayers who haven't got any concept of what a revolution really is but think it consists of plastering social media with memes that sound like something they found in some campus Socialist Workers Party leaflets from the '60s, and are inclined to retreat back to their dorm lounges for a little weed and whining when a politician fails to achieve complete political perfection.

DFW

(54,055 posts)
13. To quote the Bard, "What's in a name?"
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 06:51 PM
Sep 2020

Here in Germany, "the Greens (die Grünen)" have evolved from a splintered, strictly environmental party, infiltrated by the Soviet-backed East Germans in the 1980s, to a mature, sensible left-of-center party who have refined their economic goals to something approaching reality, and have yet kept their environmental emphasis alive. They have since been part of nationally governing coalitions, and have held the equivalent of the governorship of one of the major states in the Federal Republic (Baden-Württemberg). They are about as similar to Ralph Nader as an aardvark is to a blue whale.

On the other hand, back in the Reagan years, a former SS officer wanted to start up a neo-Nazi party, but due to the fact that that is outlawed here in Germany, he had to search around for another name. He found it with his soulmates in the good old USA, and called his party "die Republikaner." I used to taunt Republicans with this, because I knew exactly how they would react. "Are you calling us Nazis?" they would angrily demand. I would answer, "not at all. I'm just saying I find it unfortunate that a bunch of Nazis needing another name would find you so inspiring as to want to adopt yours." By the way, "die Republikaner" got a few percent (never over 5%) for the first few election in which they participated, and then fizzled back into the nothingness from whence the sprang.

mcar

(42,210 posts)
18. Not voting, but here's my choice
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 07:03 PM
Sep 2020

If they want to be a viable 3rd party, they need to start running in down ballot elections rather than showing up, and screwing things up, every 4 years.

They need to earn it. Enlist candidates to run for school board, city council, county commission, state office, etc.

meadowlander

(4,358 posts)
24. People are entitled to their views.
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 07:29 PM
Sep 2020

The problem in the US is the two-party system that makes real progress impossible, not people who don't get that excited about election after election where their choices are a right-leaning centrist and a fascist.

And for the record, yes I voted for Hillary and yes I'm going to vote for Biden. But I don't think the Green party is the enemy and I don't think it's constructive to paint them all as political naifs or uncompromising unicorn chasers or people in bed with Putin.

There is an actual by God existential climate emergency going on right now. In a rational society how to respond to it would be the only thing politicians would be talking about. To the extent that they can keep focus on that reality and for the need for serious electoral reform in the US, I support them.

The two most successful democracies today (Germany and New Zealand) both use mixed-member proportional voting and have a large number of political parties. It would be healthy for US democracy if there was a need for coalition building across the progressive left to centre right instead of the current see-sawing between governance by the middle hamstrung by obstruction from the right and governance by the right-wing lunatic fringe tearing down our institutions.

At some point there will be a critical mass of Republicans sick of voting for Tea Party crypto-fascists and Progressives sick of voting for Centre-Right consensus candidates. A move to multiple parties would be good for America. We just need one side to blink first.

Ani Yun Wiya

(797 posts)
30. Thank you for this response
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 04:06 AM
Sep 2020

Your first sentence speaks to a problem this nation has had for a long time...

jorgevlorgan

(8,232 posts)
33. When the choice is a "right leaning centrist" and a fascist
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 01:43 PM
Sep 2020

And their party won the margin of victory that put the fascist in power, that leaves me to believe they were at best terribly misguided and at worst had the worst interests in mind for us. But when that happens, and they decide to still run again instead of backing the "right leaning centrist" when a fascist is the alternative, there is no longer room to grant them the benefit of the doubt. They become as complicit with the fascists as those voting for them.

mvd

(65,148 posts)
26. I agree with their views a lot of the time, but..
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 07:54 PM
Sep 2020

they aren’t serious about winning and can not hurt our chances against the Repukes.

Willto

(292 posts)
29. That Photo With Putin Says It All
Mon Sep 14, 2020, 09:10 PM
Sep 2020

Whatever their original goal or intent was they have long since merely become a tool to try and rat f#*k the Democratic Party.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
31. They exist in the US to help Republicans win. They don't care score the environment or any other li
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 04:10 AM
Sep 2020

issues.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
34. You've neglected a more appropriate answer:
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:11 PM
Sep 2020

They're well-intentioned albeit stupid people who don't understand a winner-takes-all electoral system will not permit the existence of a viable third party, and instead of stealing votes away from potential allies and handing elections to a party that in no way represents their interests, they should work on building support for amending our electoral system.

dawg

(10,610 posts)
35. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Tue Sep 15, 2020, 02:13 PM
Sep 2020

Until we get ranked-choice voting in every state, the Green Party is a (mostly) unwitting enemy of progressivism.

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