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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat are your feelings on the green party?
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They are a malevolant, useless third party who clearly exist for no other purpose than to subvert democracy and help elect horrible presidents. | |
24 (89%) |
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They are an honest, good third party with good intentions and a just platform who simply want to expand our democracy. | |
3 (11%) |
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I vote Green Party for president in every election. I plan to vote Green party this year over Joe Biden. | |
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jorgevlorgan
(8,232 posts)Fuck the green party and anybody throwing their vote away on them when our very democracy is at stake.
msongs
(67,199 posts)they want to run for president but not dogcatcher
jorgevlorgan
(8,232 posts)Also the part where Republicans are their main benefactor, Jill Stein had lunch with Putin, etc, etc... Their insidious intentions are as clear as day.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)...knew just how cynical the leadership would reveal itself to be, nor how willing to be manipulated by bad actors.
Over time I grew utterly appalled at what the US Green Party became. I hope the youngster figured it out as well.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I always voted D, but maintained my Green Party status for many years just because. After a while I switched because third parties are just a waste of time and effort.
Note that this was decades ago and is entirely unrelated to Jill Stein and all that bullshit.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)because the original idea was good. Too bad ranked choice voting got off the ground so late.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Most of their money comes from right-wingers and conservative activists. Their sole purpose is to peel votes away from the Democratic Party and to sow division among Democrats.
That said, I agree with much of their platform, but politics is a team sport, and, in the end, the Greens hurt my team.
-Laelth
jorgevlorgan
(8,232 posts)lastlib
(22,981 posts)With pitchforks. Old, rusty, manure-encrusted, virus- and tetanus-infected pitchforks. Sideways.
Aside from that, I'm pretty much neutral on 'em..................
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Part of a coalition
In a binary system like we have it equates to a Republican vote
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)They are a party of clueless Che Guevara cosplayers who haven't got any concept of what a revolution really is but think it consists of plastering social media with memes that sound like something they found in some campus Socialist Workers Party leaflets from the '60s, and are inclined to retreat back to their dorm lounges for a little weed and whining when a politician fails to achieve complete political perfection.
Docreed2003
(16,817 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,232 posts)roamer65
(36,739 posts)Fuck her.
DFW
(54,055 posts)Here in Germany, "the Greens (die Grünen)" have evolved from a splintered, strictly environmental party, infiltrated by the Soviet-backed East Germans in the 1980s, to a mature, sensible left-of-center party who have refined their economic goals to something approaching reality, and have yet kept their environmental emphasis alive. They have since been part of nationally governing coalitions, and have held the equivalent of the governorship of one of the major states in the Federal Republic (Baden-Württemberg). They are about as similar to Ralph Nader as an aardvark is to a blue whale.
On the other hand, back in the Reagan years, a former SS officer wanted to start up a neo-Nazi party, but due to the fact that that is outlawed here in Germany, he had to search around for another name. He found it with his soulmates in the good old USA, and called his party "die Republikaner." I used to taunt Republicans with this, because I knew exactly how they would react. "Are you calling us Nazis?" they would angrily demand. I would answer, "not at all. I'm just saying I find it unfortunate that a bunch of Nazis needing another name would find you so inspiring as to want to adopt yours." By the way, "die Republikaner" got a few percent (never over 5%) for the first few election in which they participated, and then fizzled back into the nothingness from whence the sprang.
demmiblue
(36,751 posts)LakeArenal
(28,729 posts)mcar
(42,210 posts)If they want to be a viable 3rd party, they need to start running in down ballot elections rather than showing up, and screwing things up, every 4 years.
They need to earn it. Enlist candidates to run for school board, city council, county commission, state office, etc.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)the spoiler party, just there to tip the scale
we can do it
(12,118 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)meadowlander
(4,358 posts)The problem in the US is the two-party system that makes real progress impossible, not people who don't get that excited about election after election where their choices are a right-leaning centrist and a fascist.
And for the record, yes I voted for Hillary and yes I'm going to vote for Biden. But I don't think the Green party is the enemy and I don't think it's constructive to paint them all as political naifs or uncompromising unicorn chasers or people in bed with Putin.
There is an actual by God existential climate emergency going on right now. In a rational society how to respond to it would be the only thing politicians would be talking about. To the extent that they can keep focus on that reality and for the need for serious electoral reform in the US, I support them.
The two most successful democracies today (Germany and New Zealand) both use mixed-member proportional voting and have a large number of political parties. It would be healthy for US democracy if there was a need for coalition building across the progressive left to centre right instead of the current see-sawing between governance by the middle hamstrung by obstruction from the right and governance by the right-wing lunatic fringe tearing down our institutions.
At some point there will be a critical mass of Republicans sick of voting for Tea Party crypto-fascists and Progressives sick of voting for Centre-Right consensus candidates. A move to multiple parties would be good for America. We just need one side to blink first.
Ani Yun Wiya
(797 posts)Your first sentence speaks to a problem this nation has had for a long time...
jorgevlorgan
(8,232 posts)And their party won the margin of victory that put the fascist in power, that leaves me to believe they were at best terribly misguided and at worst had the worst interests in mind for us. But when that happens, and they decide to still run again instead of backing the "right leaning centrist" when a fascist is the alternative, there is no longer room to grant them the benefit of the doubt. They become as complicit with the fascists as those voting for them.
The Magistrate
(95,237 posts)Not an exaggeration, cold fact.
mvd
(65,148 posts)they arent serious about winning and can not hurt our chances against the Repukes.
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)dilettantes who are political idiots.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)Willto
(292 posts)Whatever their original goal or intent was they have long since merely become a tool to try and rat f#*k the Democratic Party.
JI7
(89,182 posts)issues.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)They're well-intentioned albeit stupid people who don't understand a winner-takes-all electoral system will not permit the existence of a viable third party, and instead of stealing votes away from potential allies and handing elections to a party that in no way represents their interests, they should work on building support for amending our electoral system.
dawg
(10,610 posts)Until we get ranked-choice voting in every state, the Green Party is a (mostly) unwitting enemy of progressivism.