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By Jenny Marder
Dickie Sanders was not naturally prone to depression. The 21-year-old BMX rider was known for being sweet spirited and warm -- a hugger not a hand-shaker. The kind of guy who called on holidays. Who helped his father on the family farm. Who spent countless hours perfecting complicated tricks on his bike.
Yet on Nov. 12, 2010, Sanders was found dead on the floor of his childhood bedroom. He had shot himself in the head with a .22 caliber rifle.
The suicide was the culmination of five days of strange behavior that began shortly after Sanders snorted a powdery substance he bought from a friend. Instead of the brief high he was seeking, he experienced days of insomnia, along with waves of terror and frightening delusions, including an incident where he saw 25 police cars outside his parents' kitchen window and then slit his own throat with a butcher knife. That incident landed Sanders in the hospital with stitches. For a few hours, the hallucinations subsided.
I don't like the way this is making me feel," Sanders told his stepmother, Julie, as the two awaited his release from the hospital. "I promise I won't do anything again. I'm done.
But the paranoia flared up with a vengeance that night, and back home, Dickie's father lay in bed with his son, arms wrapped around him, until he finally nodded off. It's unclear when Dickie woke up, made his way downstairs to his bedroom and found the rifle he had won in a shooting contest years before. No one heard the gunshot.
more (very good explanation of the biochemical effects of bath salts)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/multimedia/bath-salts/
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)fewer side effects...
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Thanks for posting.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)WHY didn't the hospital go over that with them on release?
Maybe they did. It's just so hard to think of anything clearly when someone you love is hurting so bad.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)your body, you don't stay in the hospital any more. And even then, once they have it all stuffed and stitched, they shove you out the door with a prescription lor-tabs or some other equally ineffective, yet highly profitable, Pharmaceutical.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)My sister attempted suicide several years ago. The Dr said if she fit the "criteria" for a psych eval, they would keep her. She had no insurance and I had told her before they untied her that she would be coming home because she didn't fit their "criteria".
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)I've been around people with manic symptoms and they can be convincing about being "ok" and talk very coherently and pass all sorts of "tests" to get "out" of the locked ward but if they aren't fully well, it can fall apart pretty fast.
Besides it sounds like the drug he was dealing with had an intermittent quality to it. Could have been "ok" when released, but it hit him again later. Maybe the drug targets a part of the brain that triggers PTSD like symptoms.
how awful for the family - who did everything they could.
I hope since this tragedy they have found some peace and that Dickie is resting in peace.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)A terrible drug
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)I've known about these "bath salts" but never knew how they worked. After reading that, it sure is scary. They describe it as being like taking amphetamine and cocaine at the same time, dopamine is released and reuptake is inhibited. Bad shit.
dkf
(37,305 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)There's no consistency to what's in the package, Ryan continued. We tested packages for how much MDPV was in them. One of them only contained 17 milligrams. One contained 2,000 milligrams.
Inside the 'Bath Salts' Lab
It explained why one person might have a mild reaction to the drug, while another would end up in the psych ward or counting imaginary police cars outside their window. It became extremely confusing to the clinicians and to us because there was no standard, Ryan said.
It's the inconsistency of synthetic drugs that worries experts the most. Tiny mistakes in drugmakers' laboratories can make huge differences in how the drug reacts when it enters the human body. Simple highs can become debilitating illnesses. In 1982, in Northern California, for example, a synthetic heroin made in an underground lab caused a group of users to permanently develop symptoms nearly identical to advanced Parkinson's Disease.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/multimedia/bath-salts/
Rex
(65,616 posts)They released him too soon imo. He [obviously] was still a danger to himself and others around him.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Thanks for posting it. I have been hearing about bath salts for a while now but knew nothing about them. This article was very informative.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)There was so much at the link about the effects of this drug, and the who and why and how of its production. I can't imagine what it must be like to be in law enforcement or the the medical and have to investigate things like this.
Many refuse to listen to anyone telling them to not use things like this as if they are interfering with their pleasure. There is desperation and lack of purpose to give people the strength to manage the stress of life.
My generation mocked 'Reefer Madness' and made jokes about 'better living through chemistry' with LSD, etc. But this is nothing from nature and made of poisons. We are careless with the gift we have been given in this life, our body is a one time present. This is so sad.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)There are many stories like this one, where the kid is being forced to stay away from pot and so turn to these kinds of drugs instead.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)and I know from personal experience that you are spewing bullshit.
Having pot legal or decriminalized is not the panacea to all drug problems. Its beyond ignorant to say that kids won't ever experiment with other drugs including alcohol, coke, mushrooms, speed and worse.
Some people just have addictive personalities and they're going to be in trouble from the start.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)most other drugs, INCLUDING alcohol, and relatively non addictive compared to most other drugs, ESPECIALLY nicotine.
And two, many of these people going after these "cheap/legal highs" are what the "drug war" would consider success stories; i.e. people who for one reason or another have been programmed to think pot is evil or don't have access to it.
One mode of thinking is that if we just made enough things- EVERYTHING!!!- illegal or threw enough people in jail, people would stop doing what they've always done, i.e. seeking to alter their consciousness through chemicals.
The other mode of thinking is that people are going to do drugs, some people are going to have problems with drugs, we should offer treatment on demand for the people who have problems, treat drug abuse (not use) as a public health issue instead of Law Enforcement one, and educate kids HONESTLY about drugs, including the fact that they are all different, and meth is not pot is not alcohol is not bath salts, etc.
Yes, and legalize tax and regulate marijuana because by ANY fucking yardstick marijuana prohibition makes zero fucking sense.
I say this as someone with plenty of experience around people with substance abuse problems. Filling our prisons with pot smokers isn't helping.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)Thanks for the info about why.
The product that Sanders snorted was called Cloud 9. At the time of his death, he was in a drug program for marijuana abuse, actively attending group meetings and undergoing frequent drug tests. He was told that the drug was legal, a great high and wouldn't show up on a drug test.
I think that this is the reason so many kids are trying this stuff. What is harmless is illegal, so they think that everything is a lie.
bluedigger
(17,091 posts)Kids will find something else to do under those conditions. And so you end up with (legal) bath salts. Our drug policy is fucked up.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)Sometimes I think I should run for office just so I can help change this mess.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Why do I put the word "if" into it? Because these are same sort of things claimed about GHB and MDMA and I know those are both ginned up stories.
I actually hope this is a lie because if it isn't, so many more will die.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)...of the permanent effects- and why it was so scary to her, personally. I can't remember all of it, but aside from the chemical reactions the body can produce very high core temperatures, leading people to sort of cook themselves as though they had a major fever. It's why a large number of people who are hitting the bad spot with this drug will strip off their clothing. I was under the impression that there was a good chance the lasting damage occurred at least in part due to that.
I had also read that police, for instance, are dissuaded from using tasers (if possible) becuase with the extreme elevated heart rate and body temperature make tasering an almost de facto fatal experience for the subject. Some of the behavior (like cannibalism or murder) under the influence seems to be linked to the extreme hallucinations and, IMO, in combination with the physiological stresses of high core temperature and delerium, some of the more notorious cases could be users dropping down to a quasi-reptile state.
I encourage you to do your own research, of course. This was something I only looked into a few weeks/month ago, after reading a string of extremely grisly articles which all happened to involve use of the drugs. Kids being killed by their parents, a mother who tried to kill her child but who was twarted by a neighbor, tasered and died. A guy who randomly broke into a house and slit two children's throats (one survived) while under the influence of the drug.
Like, really arresting shit to start seeing in your daily news reading lineup.
PB
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)is that the chemical kills the cells from the back of the chain forward. The brain will eventually reroute around the damaged chain, but to continue to use the drug will eventually kill all the cells until only the first cell will fire and the result is that it can only recognize "Drug-more". If the front cell is killed the whole chain dies and can continue on until there are no firing cells left...at that point I guess it's brain death.
I sat in on a class in drug education and this is what we were told. It's a terrible drug in all respects because of course damage is happening all through the body.
And I understand the "if" because so many lies have been told about the danger of drugs; but this one is really truly nasty...think PCP not MDMA.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)PCP is a good comparison drug, although it wears off, this seems to be the drug that keeps on giving.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)As I understand it, when you take the first whatever, it blows out the seratonin receptors and that person can not feel happiness. It does seem to change after time, my friend who has been clean for about five years now seems to be able to have some happiness,but still has deep bouts of depression.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)(Know your dealers, kids)
It messed me up for a long time...30 years later, I cannot smoke pot. It just freaks me the hell out.
Not that I'm dying to smoke pot any more, but I just know I can't.
And, for the record, it's the advice I gave my teenage daughter: pot's not the worst thing in the world, but for chrissake don't be stupid. Know your dealer. Smoke at home with friends. Don't overdo it, and don't ever drive.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)I support strongly the legalization of pot. That said, I don't personally smoke it because it freaks me the hell out. It took me many years to understand that my job when the bong got passed to me was only to pass it along.
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)Both non-pot-smoking sluts.
It amazes me when people tell me that pot relaxes them. It turns me into a paranoid squirrel-head. Seriously.
Now, a nice glass of merlot on the other hand...
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Yet another gift from IBS. I love your term - paranoid squirrel-head. It defines my experience perfectly.