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jsr

(7,712 posts)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:39 AM Sep 2012

Data Centers Waste Vast Amounts of Energy, Belying Industry Image - NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/technology/data-centers-waste-vast-amounts-of-energy-belying-industry-image.html

September 22, 2012
Power, Pollution and the Internet
By JAMES GLANZ

...Most data centers, by design, consume vast amounts of energy in an incongruously wasteful manner, interviews and documents show. Online companies typically run their facilities at maximum capacity around the clock, whatever the demand. As a result, data centers can waste 90 percent or more of the electricity they pull off the grid, The Times found.

To guard against a power failure, they further rely on banks of generators that emit diesel exhaust. The pollution from data centers has increasingly been cited by the authorities for violating clean air regulations, documents show. In Silicon Valley, many data centers appear on the state government’s Toxic Air Contaminant Inventory, a roster of the area’s top stationary diesel polluters.

Worldwide, the digital warehouses use about 30 billion watts of electricity, roughly equivalent to the output of 30 nuclear power plants, according to estimates industry experts compiled for The Times. Data centers in the United States account for one-quarter to one-third of that load, the estimates show.

“It’s staggering for most people, even people in the industry, to understand the numbers, the sheer size of these systems,” said Peter Gross, who helped design hundreds of data centers. “A single data center can take more power than a medium-size town.” ...
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Data Centers Waste Vast Amounts of Energy, Belying Industry Image - NYT (Original Post) jsr Sep 2012 OP
hmmm... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #1
Good idea. They could also use wind and solar generators rather than diesel or as supplementals. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #5
Wind and solar are good as incidentals a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #6
That's an awesome plan. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #7
thakns, porphyrian a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #8
If you work in a green roof, you can minimize or eliminate water run off as well. porphyrian Sep 2012 #9
hmmm... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #10
There you go. This kind of roof cuts down on heating and cooling, too. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #11
Also... we could use the roof space for growing citrus a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #12
Ha! Most IT people I know only get vitamins from Mountain Dew, but why not? porphyrian Sep 2012 #13
gotta be better than mountain dew... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #14
I find this article to be funny LOL snooper2 Sep 2012 #2
Hmm the cloud is actually made of diesel fuel smoke? hootinholler Sep 2012 #3
Just when it is becoming the "norm", the cloud has now been deemed obsolete BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #4
 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
1. hmmm...
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:45 AM
Sep 2012

how about routing the diesel fumes through "water filters" and collecting the CO2 to run greenhouses?
The Greenhouses then create bio-diesel, which helps run the generators.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
6. Wind and solar are good as incidentals
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:56 PM
Sep 2012

but you need a power storage system to make for continuous power.

Personally, I'd go for something like this:
1.) grow pond scum in greenhouses
2.) create bio-diesel from the pond scum
3.) use the bio-diesel for generators
4.) run the exhaust through "water filters" to clean the exhaust
4a.) the CO2 from the exhaust gets sent to the greenhouses (which helps the pond scum)
4b.) the remaining non-CO2 materials from the exhaust, now trapped in the water, gets polymerized into plastics
5.) the plastics get used to create filters for the generators, membranes for batteries, and maybe parts piles for the servers

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
8. thakns, porphyrian
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:01 PM
Sep 2012

It's the first thing I could come up with...

give me some time, and I can probably figure out a better, and more robust system.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
12. Also... we could use the roof space for growing citrus
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:21 PM
Sep 2012

I know far too many IT folks that need vitamin C (also, they need B-complex, but that usually needs a LOT of room for grains)

 

porphyrian

(18,530 posts)
13. Ha! Most IT people I know only get vitamins from Mountain Dew, but why not?
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:27 PM
Sep 2012

The waste could be composted and reused for fertilizer.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
2. I find this article to be funny LOL
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:00 AM
Sep 2012

The generators only run if their is an issue with line current coming in. We also have these cool things called batteries for backup power. What do they want, servers to be shut down and brought back upon multiple times a day based on load. I'm sure any operations org. would love the prospect of that

I guess we should power down redundant routers as well and only bring them up if their is an outage. We'll have to take the five nines and make it one nine. processing power about doubles every 18 months so at least they did mention that in the article. It took a 4U server for 60K voip subscribers on one of our platforms six years ago. Now I can run a 1RU server with half a million.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
3. Hmm the cloud is actually made of diesel fuel smoke?
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:39 PM
Sep 2012


They do know that the diesels run when line power is inadequate, right? Well, they do run in a test mode now and then to ensure they will start when needed.

I do agree that many unnecessary servers are kept online when they might be better virturalized, but people who pay for servers (like me) want them available 24/7, which is what I am paying for in the case of my domain.
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