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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 01:58 PM Aug 2020

Turns out, Liberty Univ. is same as Trump Univ.

I'd read some time back about the questionable finances of Liberty. Now it is revealed that WE are
paying for the courses.
It's a diploma mill, pure and simple.

while the college boasts an in-person enrollment of 15,500, it enrolls as many as 95,000 remote students in a given year. It’s the nation’s second-largest online college after the for-profit behemoth University of Phoenix.

Snip..........By 2017, Liberty students were receiving more than $772 million in total aid from the Department of Education — nearly $100 million of it in the form of Pell grants and the rest in federal student loans.
Among universities nationwide, it ranked sixth in federal aid.
Liberty students also received Department of Veterans Affairs benefits, some $42 million in 2016, the most recent year for which figures are available.
Although some of that money went to textbooks and nontuition expenses, a vast majority of Liberty’s total revenue that year, which was just above $1 billion, came from taxpayer-funded sources.

Snip........Two recruiters told me they were instructed to quote L.U.O.’s cost on a per-credit basis,
rather than per-course, which makes it sound more affordable.
Undergraduate courses for part-time students are $455 per credit, or $1,365 for a typical course; master’s courses are typically about $600 per credit.
They are instructed not to press prospective applicants too hard on their academic qualifications.
Applicants have to submit past transcripts, but any grade point average above 0.5 — equivalent to a D-minus — would suffice, said the former employee in the nonmilitary division. Recruiters, he told me, “would say, ‘Congratulations, you’ve been accepted.’ They’d make it seem competitive.”


And here's the money shot:
a 2013 audit of Liberty found that, while it raked in $749 million in tuition and fees,
it spent just $260 million on instruction, student support, and financial services.

Much much more at link:
https://newrepublic.com/article/159062/jerry-falwell-jr-resigns-liberty-university-trumpian-finances
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Turns out, Liberty Univ. is same as Trump Univ. (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Aug 2020 OP
But are the credits transferable? brooklynite Aug 2020 #1
The info I read says some were not. n/t dixiegrrrrl Aug 2020 #15
How does LU keep its accreditation? no_hypocrisy Aug 2020 #2
It is accredited by Supply Side Jesus Lithos Aug 2020 #4
Accreditation is a joke. CanonRay Aug 2020 #9
Oh the HORROR.... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2020 #3
Their "science" courses are not accepted in transfer by a lot of institutions. redstatebluegirl Aug 2020 #5
All the same: Observation, Hypothesis God performs Miracle, God Performs Miracle, Poof! End result. TheBlackAdder Aug 2020 #19
Understand they operate under the same Wellstone ruled Aug 2020 #6
40% graduation rate dalton99a Aug 2020 #7
NotbTerribly Bad, Though ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #12
Certainly empedocles Aug 2020 #8
I knew their standards were low dsc Aug 2020 #10
The article says they will take a D average. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2020 #16
D students can go to a community college a lot of cheaper pstokely Aug 2020 #17
Surprise, surprise, surprise! 2naSalit Aug 2020 #11
$750M in aid, $260M in expenses. Where is the rest of the money? JDC Aug 2020 #13
As Is Usually The Case, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2020 #14
I chuckled to see a Liberty student on a Jeopardy! College Tournament Totally Tunsie Aug 2020 #18

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,468 posts)
3. Oh the HORROR....
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 02:01 PM
Aug 2020

That the University that Jerry Falwell Sr., of the Moral Majority started, was a FRAUD all along?
Who knew?

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
5. Their "science" courses are not accepted in transfer by a lot of institutions.
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 02:03 PM
Aug 2020

At best they are required to take another course once they are tested.

TheBlackAdder

(28,070 posts)
19. All the same: Observation, Hypothesis God performs Miracle, God Performs Miracle, Poof! End result.
Thu Aug 27, 2020, 03:32 AM
Aug 2020

.

I forgot the, Mere mortals cannot question God's motives part. It's in there, somewhere.

.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Understand they operate under the same
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 02:04 PM
Aug 2020

Educational Structure as U of Pheniox. As mentioned,just a Diploma Mill. You only get what you pay for.

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
12. NotbTerribly Bad, Though
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 02:24 PM
Aug 2020

The average among private universities is around 53% in 4 years, 65%+ in 6 years.
State & public universities are at 33.3 in 4 years & 57.6 in 6 years.
So, 40% (which might be the average for all year intervals) appears a bit below average. Not terrible.
Now, given the dubious nature of their degrees, it might be way worse than the numbers suggest. But, that's subjective. Nothing we can prove.

dsc

(52,129 posts)
10. I knew their standards were low
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 02:18 PM
Aug 2020

I live not ridiculously far from there and in a place with many evangelicals and teach a good number of seniors. A non trivial number of those who wind up going to Liberty have very low GPAs.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
16. The article says they will take a D average.
Thu Aug 27, 2020, 01:05 AM
Aug 2020


It's all about the $$$$ and getting student's who can get the loans from the Gov.

pstokely

(10,508 posts)
17. D students can go to a community college a lot of cheaper
Thu Aug 27, 2020, 03:12 AM
Aug 2020

and they have real classes there and far less rules

JDC

(10,081 posts)
13. $750M in aid, $260M in expenses. Where is the rest of the money?
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 02:31 PM
Aug 2020

This kind of fraud is beyond belief.

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
14. As Is Usually The Case, Ma'am
Tue Aug 25, 2020, 03:04 PM
Aug 2020

People who complain about waste and abuse of 'government giveaways' do so because they are sure everyone else has the same warped moral compass they do.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
18. I chuckled to see a Liberty student on a Jeopardy! College Tournament
Thu Aug 27, 2020, 03:28 AM
Aug 2020

re-run not long ago. She didn't do very well, but she did get there.

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