Speaker Pelosi needs to unleash the Kraken of the Oversight Committee on this USPS sabotage. NOW!

[TeamPooka]

They need to haul everyone's ass up to the Hill to testify in open committee on TV in front of everyone.
I know we are close to an election but it needs to be done.

This corruption can't be allowed to continue and Democrats need to FIGHT like a fucking cornered wolverine over this issue for the citizens of this nation.

That's how we win in Nov., By standing for something and getting to bottom of this corruption.

Lastly, let me say this, if it was us doing it the GOP wouldn't even bat an eyelash before 87 committees were investigating and holding meeting live on TV.

[Blue Owl]

1. I like the sound of that!

[AllaN01Bear]

2. i want to see them brought up on riico charges now..

[ehrnst]

57. Who specifically, and on what specific charges? I assume you are a lawyer, since

you speak with such confidence about something that they can do, but clearly either refuse to do, or don't know about.

Go on. I'm interested to know what a legal expert has to say.

[Gothmog]

103. So long as Barr is AG, we cannot force federal charges and trump could pardon the criminals

There is no way to force Barr to bring charges or to do the right thing. If federal charges were brought, trump could pardon the criminals and make the case go away

State charges are being pursued

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

102. How will federal charges happen when Barr is the AG?

State charges are going to happen

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

134. Well, Speaker Pelosi needs to replace him! Why isn't she in DC doing that instead of

"being on vacation????"

[SheltieLover]

3. RICO!

I'm sure she is all over this. 👍

[TeamPooka]

7. They need to say it publicly loudly, everywhere or everyone will think they are doing nothing

[ehrnst]

51. You think they're doing nothing?

Seriously?

[TeamPooka]

62. Public perceptions define reality. Forget your straw man accusations. My point stands

The PR battle is just as important as the policy battle.

[ehrnst]

66. Just because you have little to no faith in Democratic leaders doesn't mean that

everyone else feels the same.

And their constituents expect to see them at home at some point. That PR battle is neccessary to keeping their seat.

Also, as someone else has pointed out: For clarification the Committee can meet. At this time last year there was another mass shooting. Mr Nadler called the House Judiciary Committee back to DC to hold hearings and come up with some legislation. Also, there is no vacation in Washington. The House is not in recess. The house came in at 2pm today and will be in session next Tuesday and Friday. They come in to ensure the President can not recess appoint people.

[Gothmog]

104. This is happening now outside of the Postmaster General's condo.

Link to tweet

[LiberalLovinLug]

128. ANTIFA TERRORISTS!!!!

[ehrnst]

138. Are you aware that the Convention is next week? Would you like them to cancel it?

[50 Shades Of Blue]

4. Subpoenas would be ignored so literally haul...

[Gothmog]

105. It has taken a year and half to get a ruling on McGhan

[alittlelark]

5. Love your post - lighting a blue candle for the KRACKEN.

Blue is for your VOICE !!!

[oasis]

6. Get it done!

[ehrnst]

44. So tell me about this Kraken, and how Pelosi's been slacking off up til now.

[oasis]

60. Howzabout you direct me to where you read about Pelosi "slacking off".

[ehrnst]

67. You implied that she is not "getting it done."

Or did I misunderstand, and you believe Speaker Pelosi is indeed "getting it done."

[oasis]

77. I "implied" no such thing. My reply to "release the Kracken"

was "get it done".

I guess my reply could have been "hell yes" or "right on" or "bring it on".

I have never posted a negative word about Nancy or the way she has handles our Democratic caucus. Ever.

[ehrnst]

79. My apologies.

[oasis]

82. Okay. We're good.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

8. Vacation is cancelled.

This is not the time for a month-long vacation, the country is on the brink of becoming a fascist dictatorship.

[WyattKansas]

25. And force Moscow Mitch to come waddling back to Washington in shame...

By going on TV everyday and asking where the Senate Republicans are to help resolve the immediate danger.

[ehrnst]

27. It's not a vacation.....Democrats need to get home at some point to meet

with constituents and campaign If they don't show up for town halls and events, they may lose their seats.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

92. Nobody is campaigning in person, not even Biden.

Try again. No excuse for not being on TV every day telling the American people the election is being stolen. And what good is campaigning if the votes don't count?

[ehrnst]

96. There are other things they do in their district.

So, you think that Pelosi being on TV every day will stop Trump from doing whatever the hell he wants?

How does that work? What effect does that have on "votes being counted?" You say if she's in DC, then votes will be counted, and that she can only have any effect if she is in DC and on TV?

I don't watch much TV news, and I hear that more people get their news from news sources that post online.

And even so, what prevents Pelosi from being on TV in San Francisco. I hear they have TV cameras and media there. And her constituents get to see her in on TV being in San Francisco.

It sounds like you are irritated with her and congress to begin with, and this is a rationalization for that irritation.

If she can campaign online, and meet online then why can't she 'release the kraken" online?

[ForgoTheConsequence]

119. Nothing as important as stopping fascism.

I'm not the only one calling for this. They need to get their asses back in DC.

[ehrnst]

123. You still haven't revealed exactly what it is that Pelosi and the Oversight Committee

are refusing to do that could stop Trump.

https://oversight.house.gov/investigations/postal-service

You are angry... so obviously means that things aren't being done to 'stop facism' that could be.

It appears that you want to speak to a manager, and that manager is Nancy Pelosi, because you think she is "sitting on her ass in SF" for some reason when she could be stopping it.

BTW - Pelosi is in Congress, not the Senate. And no, she's not hiding a magic wand that functions only in DC that "end fascism" right this minute. If she did, she would have. If there was something that could be done in DC, she would be doing it. FYI, She has more experience, deep knowledge of procedure and what isn't and isn't possible than you or I. And no, there is not a general outcry for her to "get everyone's ass back to DC" among those not on this thread, or who have a clue about what is and isn't possible to do in DC in the next month.

Rationalizing one's stress by blaming someone else for it is easy. We're all stressed, but there are those of us directing our energy in more productive ways.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

125. Pelosi is in the House, the House and Senate together make up Congress.

If you can't nail down basic civics you're not worth the effort.

[ehrnst]

126. You quoted someone who said the Senate should not go on recess.

If you can't remember what you posted, or who the OP is about (hint: Pelosi and the House Oversight Commitee), then perhaps trying to debate someone who does is not worth the effort.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13911754

Hold meeting, shame Mitch into opening back up...

Again...I'm not the only one asking for this and this isn't the time for politics as usual. The future of our democracy hangs in the balance

Senate Democrat calls for end of recess amid warning about mail-in ballot delays

Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.), the chair of Senate Democrats' campaign arm, called for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to cut the August recess short over warnings that mail-in ballots this November may not arrive in time for the election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-democrat-calls-for-end-of-recess-amid-warning-about-mail-in-ballot-delays/ar-BB17ZYuB?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=DELLDHP

Take it up with the good Senator.

Or was that a failed "moving the goalposts" fallacy?



Also - you may have missed this post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13911340

You're welcome.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

140. You better call Nancy!

You obviously know better than Pelosi. She needs to know an anonymous message board poster says she can't do that!

Pelosi weighs bringing House back early to address Postal Service crisis

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/15/pelosi-bringing-house-back-early-postal-service-395791

[ehrnst]

146. See my response to your dupe post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13914881

[ehrnst]

137. Yeah, they're all just on "vacation," and can't do anything productive outside DC to fight facism

Link to tweet

You should write him and tell him to stop this and "get his ass back to DC."

Let us know what you hear back.

And these "vacationing" slackers..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Maybe you heard... there's this little thing called the Democratic Convention going on next week. One might say that this timing is the best time to have a recess, for Democrats anyway. But hey, this election isn't really that important - Reps should get there asses all back to DC and sit them in chairs at a hearing before vital information can be gathered on what happened in the last two weeks. Especially the VP candidate, right?

The platform doesn't need the input of any reps, right?



BTW - Having one's ass in DC doesn't guarantee they will show up for work if there aren't cameras.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

141. Call Nancy and tell her!

Pelosi weighs bringing House back early to address Postal Service crisis


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/15/pelosi-bringing-house-back-early-postal-service-395791


I can tell this is eating away at you.

[ehrnst]

142. It sounds like you are the one who has the problem with Speaker Pelosi

and now all your fretting concerning her has been for naught.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

143. Nope, I knew she would do the right thing.

You're the one who said it was pointless.

[ehrnst]

144. I said that bashing her for doing this was pointless, and your numerous posts

about congress "vacationing" were ill-informed, as I demonstrated in several posts.

And that turned out to be right, didn't it?



I know that it smarts to be schooled.

[ehrnst]

149. Maybe you missed this post...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13911415

[triron]

34. You're right but for some reason too many democrats are not awake to this.

[ehrnst]

124. Maybe others are more informed than about what is and isn't going on

with the House Oversight Committee, and what actually needs to happen prior to a hearing. It's called research and information gathering.

FYI - https://oversight.house.gov/investigations/postal-service

Perhaps "too many Democrats" on this thread don't understand what Pelosi and the other Democratic Congressional reps do. And this isn't a 'vacation.' It's a recess. That doesn't mean that they are taking vacations - do you have information that we don't?

Perhaps you could offer to advise Madame Speaker since you think she clearly doesn't know what she's doing?

[ehrnst]

43. Um... there is an election in November. Do you think that they are getting manicures and tans?

If they don't meet with constituents, how do you propose they will get elected?

Do you think they don't have access to a phone or email?

[Kamala4TheWin]

72. In the middle of the pandemic?

Aren’t they doing everything virtually these days? What’s the point of meeting with voters if ballots don’t get counted?

[ehrnst]

80. So you think that if they to back to talk to their constituents, that prevents them from

doing something that they could otherwise have done to stop Trump?

What exactly is that thing that they are neglecting to do by going to their districts for the last time before the election that will fix the problem with the post office and Trump?

[ForgoTheConsequence]

93. Campaigning is all for nil if the votes do not count.

Campaigning is all virtual these days.

[ehrnst]

95. Again... So if they go back to their districts, votes will not count?

Again...Please specify what they could do by staying in DC that would avoid the scenario you present?



Well, if the Oversight Committee has been doing all this in the last month, and votes still "won't count," what do you think they could do that would? That is, after all, the "Kraken" that the OP claims hasn't "been released" on the USPS.

https://oversight.house.gov/investigations/postal-service

[ForgoTheConsequence]

120. Hold meeting, shame Mitch into opening back up...

Again...I'm not the only one asking for this and this isn't the time for politics as usual. The future of our democracy hangs in the balance


Senate Democrat calls for end of recess amid warning about mail-in ballot delays


Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.), the chair of Senate Democrats' campaign arm, called for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to cut the August recess short over warnings that mail-in ballots this November may not arrive in time for the election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senate-democrat-calls-for-end-of-recess-amid-warning-about-mail-in-ballot-delays/ar-BB17ZYuB?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=DELLDHP


Take it up with the good Senator.

[ehrnst]

121. What does Pelosi have to do with decisions about the Senate recess?

Are you confusing this with another thread? Another discussion?

"Shame Mitch" into doing the right thing?



Since when has that been possible, let alone by Pelosi?

[lapucelle]

129. I work with someone who wanted Kamala Harris as Speaker of the House

back in January 2019 when the Republicans were amplifying the Pelosi hate.

[ehrnst]

135. Details....

[ehrnst]

150. ......

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13911415

[ehrnst]

139. Yeah, who needs the Democratic National Convention. We don't need to work on a platform or anything.

[ananda]

9. !!! Yes she does!

NOW !!!!!!!

[ehrnst]

45. Can you specify what that involves, that she hasn't already done?

[Gothmog]

106. I am curious about this also

I would really want to know that these posters think can be done which has not been done

Speaker Pelosi is an amazing leader and she has been doing a great job

[ehrnst]

113. A lot of armchair quarterbacks who may or may not know

the actual rules or plays.

[Gothmog]

115. I really want to know where in the Constitution, it discusses Krakens

I missed this discussion and could not find this in my old copy of Tribe

[MontanaMama]

10. I must admit

I don't know what they're waiting for and I acknowledge that there might be lots going on behind the scenes that I don't know about.

[ehrnst]

46. Yes there is very likely lots going on that we don't know about.

Showing one's hand, especially just before the POTUS election, on top of everything else doesn't seem like a good idea, does it?

[Laelth]

11. Every single House member is up for re-election in November.

They’re currently in their home districts, campaigning, and they won’t be back until mid-September.

We’re sorry. The Kraken is unable to come to the phone at this time. Please leave a message. Beep.

-Laelth

[TeamPooka]

19. If our folks really want to get re-elected they better get back to DC.

[Laelth]

20. Send Nancy an e-mail.

She’s the only person who can bring them back to DC.

-Laelth

[ehrnst]

53. Yes, just at the time that they are meeting with their home district constituents in an election

year.

[ehrnst]

47. What if their constituents want a town hall? Or to meet with them? Or ask them questions?

Or let them know what they think in person?

What if that's what they need to do to get re-elected?

[StarfishSaver]

130. They're not just campaigning

They're meeting with constituents, visiting post offices, talking with postal employees, meeting with local election officials, talking with health and pandemic experts, dealing with teachers, parents and school districts, doing lots of local media to educate their constituents, etc. They're also spending a lot of time caucusing and strategizing with their fellow Dems by phone and Zoom - just as they'd be doing if they were in Washington

It fascinates me that people criticize Congress for being stuck in the Beltway bubble and being out of touch with their constituents, but when they leave the bubble and go back to their districts to work with their constituents, they get trashed for having the nerve to set foot out of DC.

It's a shame that so many people think that the sum total of a congressperson's job is giving speeches on the floor, asking questions in committee hearings, and giving interviews on MSNBC from the Capitol hallway

[Laelth]

131. Agreed. n/t

-Laelth

[abqtommy]

12. It'd help if we unleashed The Kraken on tRUMP, Barr and McConnel too!

[ehrnst]

31. What Kracken does Congress have that can defeat the Senate, the AG and POTUS?

If you know of such a magical beast, please tell us and congress where it is.

[Gothmog]

107. What actions do you think that Speaker Pelosi has the power to undertake that she has not?

I am curious. You do know that it has taken over a year to get a ruling on the McGhan subpoena. How do you propose to speed up the process?

[abqtommy]

117. I'm thinking of The Kraken as a mythical monster not necessarily under the control of Nancy.

I know that Nancy is doing all she can within the law...

[Gothmog]

127. None of the other lawyers on this board covered krakens in law school

I feel better. I still have my copy of Tribe on Con Law in the library and was going to see if I missed this part of the course.

[DavidDvorkin]

13. The guilty parties would ignore subpoenas

Oversight has become toothless. I don't know if we can solve this problem in the future with legislation, but we don't seem able to do anything about it while the GOP controls the White House and Senate.

[ehrnst]

50. Seems that taking care of business in their home districts for at least a few days

might be the wise course of action.

[sop]

14. How is it even possible for some corrupt, mobbed-up thug like Trump to install one of his top

campaign donors as Postmaster General, fire the USPS' top leadership and replace them with more sleazy Trump henchmen, then openly admit to sabotaging our federal mail service just to fuck with the presidential election, and still no crimes have been committed?

Reviewing 18 U.S. Code Chapter 63, Mail Fraud and other Fraud Offenses, it's obvious a number of these laws have been violated by Trump and his henchmen. Are our laws so toothless and poorly written that a cheap con man like Trump can subvert the USPS with impunity? Are we already living in a god damned dictatorship?

[bluecollar2]

16. The problem is that the justice department

Would be the department to investigate.

That department is a Tea-party subsidiary...

[LisaL]

38. Well, clearly the answer to this is yes.

Trump flat out admitted why he doesn't want USPS to have funding-he doesn't want mail in vote. Is there anything being done about it?

[ehrnst]

71. Can you specify what you think can be done about it that isn't?

You seem to think that there isn't anything being done - and I assume that you expect Speaker Pelosi to reveal publicly everything they plan on doing? I mean other than trying to stop evictions, getting funding measures to Trump for the PO and the unemployed....

But FYI -

The judge's order, in a high-profile case about vote-by-mail in the battleground state, essentially forces the Trump campaign to try to back up President Donald Trump's false claims about massive voter fraud in postal voting.
"The Court finds that instances of voter fraud are relevant to the claims and defenses in this case," District Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan wrote on Thursday, telling Republicans that they need to provide evidence of fraud to the Democratic Party and the Sierra Club, which are part of the lawsuit.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-lawsuit-pennsylvania/index.html

Warren and other top Democrats ask USPS watchdog to investigate practices.

And Pelosi isn't the only one capable of doing something or completely responsible for action:

Postal Unions Turn Up Heat On GOP to Rescue USPS

How to help the post office: Things you can do to support the USPS right now

How far do you expect her to compromise to get funding? If she says no, will you fault her for inaction as well?

Trump says he'll sign USPS funding if Democrats make concessions

[ehrnst]

64. I don't believe that anyone predicted that the POTUS would use their authority to

destroy the Post Office.

And I think that his advisors knew this and took advantage of it.

Elections have consequences, and we are seeing those consequences now.

Women, LGBTQs and POC have been dealing with legislators destroying lives and fucking with their rights with impunity for decades, and have been told by self-described 'progressives' that those are just "identity politics."

So some have been living in something close a god damned dictatorship of sorts for a while. Those mass protests didn't come from nowhere.

Now, get over the shock as quickly as you can and get to work getting out the vote, because there is no manager that you can demand to talk to who can make all this comfortable and familiar again.

Voting him out is the only way to stop him at this point. We know that there is no way to remove him otherwise, no way he will resign, no way that Pence will invoke the 25th, and even if SCOTUS and Barr weren't in his pocket, there would be nothing Congress can do to take away his power over the Post Office - yes there are lawsuits pending, and the Union is on it, but there is nothing that will stop him prior to January.

Welcome to what it feels like to be powerless in the face of oppression.

[zentrum]

15. Move on it Nancy!

[ehrnst]

54. Can you specify how she has not been "moving on it?"

And why people running for re-election should not be in their districts meeting with those who will be voting for them?

[AmyStrange]

17. RELEASE THE KRAKEN!

-

Woohoo, I want one too!!
=========

[Gothmog]

109. I missed the discussion of the Kraeken in Con Law in law school

Can you point where this is covered in the US Constitution? I am curious

I also want a kraken if they are available. However, since these are not available in the real world, we need to work as hard as pssible to fight trump

[AmyStrange]

118. It's at the top...

-

We the People...
=============

[ehrnst]

147. You didn't read the OP, did you?

The kraken, according to the OP, is the House Oversight committee, and they have been on this for two weeks, unbeknownst to the author of the OP. I corrected them here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13910699

Is that clearer?

And no, "we the people" are not the ones who are on the House Oversight Committee, representatives are. We are also not tasked with legislative tasks, as we electe representatives to do that.

Perhaps you need to read more about civics, as well as the OP, as you seem to be confusing the responsibilities of various entities.

[AmyStrange]

151. Kick and thank you

[ehrnst]

152. So....

Why are you back to using your old profile, instead of the new one?

[yaesu]

18. yep, fight them fascists like the terrorists they are. nt

[ehrnst]

61. What should they be doing that they have not already done, or are not doing?

[StarfishSaver]

132. You've asked that question several times

But for some reason, you never seem to get an answer.

[ehrnst]

133. It appears to be a case of people not really knowing exactly what Democrats are doing

But IT'S JUST WRONG BECAUSE I'M UPSET. Someone is clearly NOT DOING SOMETHING THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING TO EASE MY ANXIETY, and YELL BOO YAH!

[BigOleDummy]

21. Agreed

Agree with everything you say TeamPooka and well said.

[warmfeet]

22. I hope we can do it.

[ElementaryPenguin]

23. You're absolutely right!

[pnwmom]

24. How does she do that when Congress is in recess?

[ehrnst]

30. She has a phone and a computer, yes?

And no, it's not a vacation during an election year for Congress.

Reps need to have town halls, meetings and events in their districts if they expect people to turn out and vote for them in November.

[pnwmom]

36. She and the Oversight Committee are in recess. I've never heard of committee hearings taking place

during a recess, have you?

[LisaL]

37. It's not like there is an emergency or anything...

[pnwmom]

48. So what is the procedure? Have you heard of one? n/t

[ehrnst]

39. I have never heard that a recess before an election year for Congress is a 'vacation.'

And she certainly got shit done and talked to people during the government shutdown, so there's that.

[bucolic_frolic]

26. On the bright side, this is so transparently corrupt it's BLOWING UP on the GOP

Everyone is outraged!! They know corruption, cheating, weaseling, stealing when they see it. They did not count on the difference between 2016 and 2020. This time around we know what to look for. 2016 no one knew how they were cheating. This time they're more brazen about it and think we won't fight back.

[Gothmog]

108. Agreed

Link to tweet

[safeinOhio]

28. The Pooka Plan.

I’m in.

[ehrnst]

29. Hello... Liz Warren is demanding an investigation... If it can be done, Pelosi is doing it.

If the last two years haven't covinced you that she's on top of things, nothing will.

[bdamomma]

32. Our Senators and Reps

need to be holding meeting to stop the dismantling of our USPS. Fucking tRump needs to feel our wrath.

[ehrnst]

41. So, what exactly can they do this week to "stop the dismantling of the USPS" other than

what they have been doing?

Do you have a procedural workaround that they are not using?

And since when has Trump given two shits about the "wrath" of Democrats? Can you specify?

[bdamomma]

69. well different

organizations have been warning all of us plus our Congress to keep funding the post offices, but here we are blatant in your face, we are taking away your right to vote and taking our method of counting ours votes away. Not only mailing our votes, but all functions of our postal service, from getting medications to receiving social security checks. This is an assault on our rights.

Organizations have been pleading with citizens and effing Mitch McConnell to fund the postal service, but no, he has not brought it up for additional funding and Democrats have been voicing their concerns. He has shown us he does not care about the American people.

Regarding the "wrath" that I refer to, that it will be up to ALL of us to VOTE, no matter what, and to have our vote counted.

[ehrnst]

75. OK, so that clarifies some things.

But what is it that you think Congress has power over in the Post Office - other than to submit a bill with funding for it, which they have?

POTUS appoints the head of the service, and most of the board of governors. You might as well complain that Congress didn't present an alternate SCOTUS nominee for all the good that will do.

Congress did submit funding, but POTUS is free to veto any bill that comes across his desk, no matter how much of an asshole reason he has.

Other than voting Trump and the GOP out of the Senate, and keep the House, what do you propose will stop Trump from vetoing any funding he doesn't like?

[Hotler]

33. Too late, they're on break. Come back in a month. nt

[ehrnst]

42. Oh right, they're not up for re-election in November and certainly don't need to hold town halls

or events or listening sessions at this point.

They're TOTALLY going to the beach... and have no access whatsoever to a phone or computer...

[bottomofthehill]

58. For clarification the Committee can meet

At this time last year there was another mass shooting. Mr Nadler called the House Judiciary Committee back to DC to hold hearings and come up with some legislation. Also, there is no vacation in Washington. The House is not in recess. The house came in at 2pm today and will be in session next Tuesday and Friday. They come in to ensure the President can not recess appoint people.

[ehrnst]

59. OMG - you mean all the ranting about Democratic "inaction" is based on nothing?

[Illumination]

35. That's correct!!! Democrats need to get more aggressive!

[ehrnst]

40. Can you specify what that entails?

What is it that you think they should be doing that they have not already?

[Illumination]

76. Hi ehrnst! To answer you question: Take as much action against Trump as is humanly possible.

Be more vocal & outraged about the destruction of our institutions, democracy, etc. For example, the bounties on our troops, the genocide he's committing, etc. It's just incredible what he's getting away with! Also feel that Democrats are too nice & too kind. Not saying that Democrats should stoop to his level. But have more of the Lincoln Project attitude to them. Last time I checked, ACLU had 400 cases against Trump. This is incredible for a sitting so called "pres" & there's many more cases. Enjoying Joe & Kamala! It's very refreshing to listen to them speak with such class & intelligence! Americans have been deprived & have had no coherent conversation from a Presidential Leader since Obama!

[ehrnst]

78. "Be more vocal and outraged"

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How does that do anything other than make you feel more validated?

Congress is not the ACLU, who has one purpose - legal action against those who violate civil rights. Congress does not do that - they investigate (which they have called for) they make recommendations, hold hearings. The are not the criminal justice system. Barr runs the DOJ, so he's not going to indict or find Trump or his cronies guilty of anything, if he even bothers to investigate.

I think your vision of "what is humanly possible" isn't really informed about what Congress can and can't do.

But perhaps you haven't seen these very vocal, and not "too nice" actions on the part of Pelosi and other Democrats

Pelosi: Trump not funding Postal Service is 'undermining the health of our democracy'

Pelosi unveils new nickname for Trump 'Mr. Make Matters Worse'

Warren and other top Democrats ask USPS watchdog to investigate practices

Pelosi Compares Trump's Decision Making To 'A Man Who Refuses To Ask For Directions'

Pelosi Slams Trump on Russia Bounty Reports After Congressional Classified Briefing

Schiff says Trump is making a 'direct attack' on rule of law: 'It's all out in the open'

Pelosi Slams Trump’s Suggestion He Won’t Accept Election Results: ‘He Will Be Leaving’

Democrats call Trump’s coronavirus relief orders “paltry” and “absurdly unconstitutional”

Nancy Pelosi calls Trump's executive actions unconstitutional

Democrats call out Trump for 'fanning' racism

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NV Dems Call Out Trump’s Attack on Social Security

It's also important that other groups than Democrats be the ones to make the charges, so it doesn't all look like partisan politics:

Watchdog group files Hatch Act complaint against Meadows

Why 27 Distinguished DC Lawyers Filed a Complaint with Bar Association Against Attorney General Barr

[Illumination]

83. Well you certainly set me straight ehrnst! Might take awhile, but I'll look @ all the links!

Thanks!

[ehrnst]

85. I do keep up. I get frustrated when others say that Dems have not said or done anything.

Sorry if I was brusque.

[Illumination]

86. Keep up? Wow ehrnst! You're extremely knowledgeable & DU is fortunate to have you on their

site! Very impressive my dear!

[ehrnst]

145. Thank you.

I pride myself on being a generalist, who can do effective research to go deep into a topic quickly.

One thing I have learned is that learning who has the stuff of expertise and judgement is vital.

I trust Pelosi's judgement on Congressional procedure, and predicting what Republicans will do more than anyone alive. No human is perfect, but she's a damn sight more qualified to make a call in situations like this country is now than anyone else.

That's not worship, or a cult of personality, it's just called letting those who are most qualified do the job and stay out of their way.

Just as I would trust my pediatrician about my son's health and the safety of vaccines than I would anyone on DU who contradicted their recommendations.

[Gothmog]

110. Marc Elias and the Democratic party have over 30 lawsuits pending

Progress is being made but I do not understand what else can be done

Link to tweet

Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats are doing everything that they can

[ehrnst]

49. Well, I guess you told Speaker Pelosi. how could she ever cope with the job without

such stern warnings about how to go about it?

Good thing she has you to keep her on her toes!

[ehrnst]

65. You're welcome.

[helpisontheway]

52. They are acting like there is nothing they can do.Talking

about it isnot helping. We need action.

[ehrnst]

55. Can you specify what they can do that they say they cannot do?

And how is talking to their consituents in their home districts not helping them get re-elected?

[sheshe2]

68. You have the patience of a saint.

[ehrnst]

73. Just a dogged pursual of critical thought, and a resistance to pointless circular firing squads.

Thank you, tho.

[Gothmog]

111. I agree

[Gothmog]

112. I miss the discussion of the Kraken in Constitutional Law-where is this in the constitution?

I would love to see what can be done in the real world that is not being done now.

[spanone]

56. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[Kamala4TheWin]

70. Immediately! What the hell are they doing on break?

[ehrnst]

74. Um... that's when they go back to their districts and connect with their constituents

for the last time before they face re-election on NOVEMBER 4.

If you think they're at the beach, you are misinformed.

[Kamala4TheWin]

156. I've never seen my congresswoman

in person and I’m still going to vote for her again. People want to see them doing something like fighting Trump and his crooks to get help for the suffering citizens. It’s not like they can hold big townhalls anyway

[ehrnst]

157. Some people have different experiences with their rep.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13911415

[Crunchy Frog]

81. Just used the ignore button and it's really cleaned up the thread for me.

[ehrnst]

84. Did it work for the OP?

[betsuni]

87. Another "Why don't Democrats stop blah blah blah" post.

[crickets]

88. And you clicked on it, bless your heart.

[betsuni]

89. What's that supposed to mean?

A person isn't allowed to click on something stupid and comment? This is the Internet. There's lots and lots of clicking on stupid things and commenting.

[betsuni]

90. And ... crickets.

[ehrnst]

100. ....

[ehrnst]

98. Yep... despite the fact that yes, the Kracken was released in July...

[Squidly]

91. We can scream and shout from the mountaintops all we want

But the simple fact if the matter is, is the house can pass everything under the sun, call committee meetings till the cows come home, but as long as Moscow Mitch controls the senate and "I'm the baby!!" Barr runs the DOJ theres not a damn thing we can do about any of this. If there were, dont you think something would have been done by now? Some of you act as if the house is doing nothing.. I think they know a little bit more than a bunch of people on a website...me included.

[bigtree]

94. Pelosi and Schumer met face to face w/Dejoy

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., had a closed-door meeting with DeJoy this past week to discuss the agency’s worsening performance and need for emergency funding. Schumer later described it as “a heated discussion.”

Pelosi and Schumer followed up with a letter to DeJoy that said the operational changes “threaten the timely delivery of mail — including medicines for seniors, paychecks for workers, and absentee ballots for voters — that is essential to millions of Americans.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/postmaster-general-attracts-congressional-scrutiny-for-cost-cutting-moves-months-before-election

[ehrnst]

97. I guess you missed all this?

https://oversight.house.gov/investigations/postal-service

From the House Oversight Committe website:

Pelosi, Schumer, Top Committee Democrats Press Postmaster General for Answers on Partisan Campaign to Slow the Mail Before the Election
Aug 14, 2020 Press Release
Pelosi, Maloney Joined by 173 House Democrats in Calling on Postmaster General to Reverse Assault on Postal Service
Aug 12, 2020 Press Release
Chairwoman Maloney Introduces “Delivering for America Act” to Protect Delivery Standards for U.S. Postal Service
Aug 12, 2020 Press Release
Chairwoman Maloney Issues Statement on Trump Administration Postmaster General’s Continued Efforts to Degrade Postal Operations
Aug 8, 2020 Press Release
Chairwoman Maloney Issues Statement on Postmaster General’s Memo Outlining Major Reorganization
Aug 7, 2020 Press Release
Warren, Maloney, Carper, Peters & Colleagues Call for Inspector General to Investigate Postal Service Policy Changes and Delivery Delays Under New Trump-Appointed Postmaster General
Aug 7, 2020 Press Release
Chair Maloney and Rep. King Lead Lawmakers on Letter to Postmaster General on Delivery Operations
Aug 6, 2020 Press Release
Adams, DeFazio, Maloney, and Connolly Lead Effort to Save the Postal Service
Aug 5, 2020 Press Release
Chairwoman Maloney Announces Hearing with Postmaster General
Aug 3, 2020 Press Release

[NurseJackie]

99. Thank you. It's always annoying...

... whenever I read on the Internet the typical anti-Democrat and anti-Pelosi knee-jerk responses that suggest the Democrats are "do-nothing" or that we don't care or that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are afraid and indecisive (blah-blah-blah) ... so many insults, and so many ill-informed/under-informed smears of Democrats and our party's leadership.

All I'm saying is this: I wish people were better informed about what the Democrats ARE doing, and what we're actually capable of doing BEFORE heading-off on these types of posts that really serve no good purpose other than to spread ill-will about the party and to create distrust and resentment. I'm sick of it.

By the way, Ehrnst... on the Internet, I've seen people demanding that the Supreme Court must DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW!!! While I am sympathetic for their level of alarm, and their desire to see this problem solved, it really and truly amazes me that some individuals on the Internet think that the USSC can just step-in and "DO SOMETHING" whenever they feel like it.

[Gothmog]

101. It has taken over a year to get a ruling on McGhan

Speaker Pelosi is an amazing leader but there are limits to her power

[JustAnotherGen]

114. This morning

My Congressman was working the Census booth at the Farmers Market.

Rest assured - Malinowski is pissed and ready to get it done . . .

But his presence got people down to the Borough Center to complete the Census.

[Gothmog]

116. Where are krakens discussed in the US Constitution?

I missed this discussion in law school. How does one get a kraken? I would love my own kraken.

[ehrnst]

122. Apparently Pelosi has one, and is refusing to release it

and isn't telling anyone about it.

[NurseJackie]

136. WHY NOT??!!! WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW!!!

I'm going to start a petition.

[ehrnst]

148. ....

What do we want?

We don't know!!!

When do we want it?

NOW!

[Gothmog]

153. From Speaker Pelosi and Senator Schumer

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

154. From the Oversight Committee

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

155. @SpeakerPelosi is calling the House back into session to vote on @USPS legislation --

Link to tweet