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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:04 PM Aug 2020

I sold Americans a lie about Canadian medicine. Now we're paying the price.

In my prior life as an insurance executive, it was my job to deceive Americans about their health care. I misled people to protect profits. In fact, one of my major objectives, as a corporate propagandist, was to do my part to “enhance shareholder value.” That work contributed directly to a climate in which fewer people are insured, which has shaped our nation’s struggle against the coronavirus, a condition that we can fight only if everyone is willing and able to get medical treatment.

Had spokesmen like me not been paid to obscure important truths about the differences between the U.S. and Canadian health-care systems, tens of thousands of Americans who have died during the pandemic might still be alive.

In 2007, I was working as vice president of corporate communications for Cigna. That summer, Michael Moore was preparing to release his latest documentary, “Sicko,” contrasting American health care with that in other rich countries. (Naturally, we looked terrible.) I spent months meeting secretly with my counterparts at other big insurers to plot our assault on the film, which contained many anecdotes about patients who had been denied coverage for important treatments. One example was 3-year-old Annette Noe. When her parents asked Cigna to pay for two cochlear implants that would allow her to hear, we agreed to cover only one.

Clearly my colleagues and I would need a robust defense. On a task force for the industry’s biggest trade association, America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), we talked about how we might make health-care systems in Canada, France, Britain and even Cuba look just as bad as ours. We enlisted APCO Worldwide, a giant PR firm. Agents there worked with AHIP to put together a binder of laminated talking points for company flacks like me to use in news releases and statements to reporters.
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Most important, no one in Canada is turned away from doctors because of a lack of funds, and Canadians can get tested and treated for the coronavirus without fear of receiving a budget-busting medical bill. That undoubtedly is one of the reasons Canada’s covid-19 death rate is so much lower than ours. In America, exorbitant bills are a defining feature of our health-care system. Despite the assurances from President Trump and members of Congress that covid-19 patients will not be charged for testing or treatment, they are on the hook for big bills, according to numerous reports.

That is not the case in Canada, where there are no co-pays, deductibles or coinsurance for covered benefits. Care is free at the point of service. And those laid off in Canada don’t face the worry of losing their health insurance. In the United States, by contrast, more than 40 million have lost their jobs during this pandemic, and millions of them — along with their families — also lost their coverage.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/08/06/health-insurance-canada-lie/?arc404=true


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I sold Americans a lie about Canadian medicine. Now we're paying the price. (Original Post) bluewater Aug 2020 OP
I have family in Canada...and they pay for prescriptions out of pocket...not included in health Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #1
There is a provincial run drug insurance plan in Ontario. roamer65 Aug 2020 #2
Drugs prescribed while in hospital care are covered. Swede Aug 2020 #3
Each province has it's own pharmacare system and a national system is being advocated bluewater Aug 2020 #4
My family member pays out of pocket...so at this moment...there is no coverage Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #11
At this moment, a family member of mine is out of work with no insurance at all. bluewater Aug 2020 #13
Out of pocket, but is the cost comparable? rwsanders Aug 2020 #19
The UK system is GREAT. Scarsdale Aug 2020 #26
Did you see this video? rwsanders Aug 2020 #35
Yes, I saw that. Scarsdale Aug 2020 #37
I guess that's why they call it Freedumb! rwsanders Aug 2020 #38
there are a lot of seniors who fall thru the cracks as do those considered to be the working poor dawn5651 Aug 2020 #24
i have family here too below a certain income you can get the provincial health care plans dawn5651 Aug 2020 #20
I live in BC - most employers provide extended benefit plans covering most meds Fiendish Thingy Aug 2020 #30
But in cost comparisons..... Xolodno Aug 2020 #36
My wife is from Canada BlueJac Aug 2020 #5
"NOW" we're paying the price? How dare this fuck?! gratuitous Aug 2020 #6
That article was by Wendell Potter, who left the health insurance industry to advocate against it. GoCubsGo Aug 2020 #12
He's certainly working hard to absolve himself of any responsibility gratuitous Aug 2020 #16
Nope. Just telling how things work in the insurance industry. GoCubsGo Aug 2020 #18
Wendell Potter has a great website/newsletter MontanaMama Aug 2020 #28
Yes, and his interviews are always very informative. GoCubsGo Aug 2020 #31
You can rework that first paragraph... Newest Reality Aug 2020 #7
+1000 bluewater Aug 2020 #8
So sorry . . . Richard D Aug 2020 #9
K&R nt PoliWrangler Aug 2020 #10
So relevant, so true, and so ignored. mountain grammy Aug 2020 #14
I knew you were lying the whole time... world wide wally Aug 2020 #15
KnR Hekate Aug 2020 #17
wow, this is important llashram Aug 2020 #21
i sat and listened to a lady from ontario who had a brain tumor that wasn't life threatening dawn5651 Aug 2020 #22
k&r n/t area51 Aug 2020 #23
This is a good article. Thank you very much for posting. PatrickforO Aug 2020 #25
I can't afford Medicare . I go to the socialist run VA . Excellent care . No paper work . All my geretogo Aug 2020 #27
Wendell Potter has been a valuable voice for universal coverage since he regained his soul. nt SunSeeker Aug 2020 #29
Agreed. More of us sholuld listen/have listened to him. soldierant Aug 2020 #34
Biden will have 12-18 mos to ram through universal healthcare Fiendish Thingy Aug 2020 #32
+1000 bluewater Aug 2020 #33

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
1. I have family in Canada...and they pay for prescriptions out of pocket...not included in health
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:08 PM
Aug 2020

care. It is not a covered expense.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
2. There is a provincial run drug insurance plan in Ontario.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:12 PM
Aug 2020

It is called Trillium. It helps people who have lower incomes along with high drug costs.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
4. Each province has it's own pharmacare system and a national system is being advocated
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:23 PM
Aug 2020
Right now, each of Canada’s provinces has its own pharmacare system. But across the country, there are similarities: people on social assistance receive coverage either for free or for a minimal co-payment, and low-income seniors tend to be covered. Many provinces also provide catastrophic coverage for drug costs above a set amount, such as 4% of household income. Private plans, often employer-sponsored, also cover some costs.

Canada’s lack of a national pharmacare plan has been subject to rising scrutiny. Our patchwork system means many people aren’t covered, and we also have higher costs: Canada pays more for prescription drugs than other OECD countries, something the Pan-Canadian Pharmaceutical Alliance is trying to lower by negotiating as a nation. An article published in this week’s Canadian Medical Association Journal reported that the total cost of a national pharmacare program would actually be less than what is currently spent by the combination of public and private drug plans and patients’ payments.


https://healthydebate.ca/2015/03/topic/pharmacare-2

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
11. My family member pays out of pocket...so at this moment...there is no coverage
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:16 PM
Aug 2020

nationally. This was my point.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
13. At this moment, a family member of mine is out of work with no insurance at all.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:23 PM
Aug 2020

Also, right now several family members and friends are paying out of pocket for their health insurance where formerly they were coverd by their employers.

I think I understand your point, no system is perfect.

But I think the OP article is making that point about the system here in the US even more so.




rwsanders

(2,596 posts)
19. Out of pocket, but is the cost comparable?
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:50 PM
Aug 2020

In the movie "Sicko", folks in Cuba paid out of pocket for a drug he profiled. In Cuba they paid about $10. Here in the US the cost was $110.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
26. The UK system is GREAT.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:28 PM
Aug 2020

My family lives there. They are horrified when they read about the costs here in the US. Drug costs are minimal. "Sicko" was a good expose. It was scheduled to show in our town, but was canceled at the last minute. We got to the theatre and it was posted on the door that it would not be showing. We bought the video and watched it. Anyone's guess as to who brought the pressure to cancel the showing. Americans should be marching in the streets demanding a health plan resembling other countries. We are being screwed over, so the pharma companies can donate large sums to their reps. the gop. They keep saying it is too expensive. Well, where are the BILLIONS coming from now, to cover tRump's disasterous pandemic? The gop will leave this country bankrupt before his reign is over. All covering his flabby, large orange arse.

rwsanders

(2,596 posts)
35. Did you see this video?
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 06:06 PM
Aug 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017560781
I watched it a few times just for the "shut the fridge" reaction.
It amazes me that so many in our country are so EAGER to be duped by paid mouthpieces like Limbaugh.
If it wasn't for the tribalism encouraged by the GOP and if they'd listen. But even here there are folks who will defend the billionaires and millionaires who benefit from this mess.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
37. Yes, I saw that.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 10:16 PM
Aug 2020

One lady said "So in America if you are not rich, you die?" Americans are SO gullible. Why shouldn't there be an affordable healthcare plan here? Every other western country takes care of their citizens. We have greedy politicians, and pharma execs who are protecting their bank accounts.

rwsanders

(2,596 posts)
38. I guess that's why they call it Freedumb!
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:01 PM
Aug 2020

They think that until it affects them.
I worked with a lady that bragged about having 2 framed photos of St. Ronnie in her house. She had to divorce her alcoholic husband, but still watched over him and took him to doctor's appointment among other things. She once came to work and said "I don't understand why there aren't government programs to help people like my husband".

dawn5651

(603 posts)
24. there are a lot of seniors who fall thru the cracks as do those considered to be the working poor
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:59 PM
Aug 2020

we really need to have drug coverage under medicare

dawn5651

(603 posts)
20. i have family here too below a certain income you can get the provincial health care plans
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:50 PM
Aug 2020

and those family members who have that pay nothing to get their prescriptions filled.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,570 posts)
30. I live in BC - most employers provide extended benefit plans covering most meds
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:52 PM
Aug 2020

Are your family members self employed?

Most of my prescriptions are covered by my retirement extended benefits, after an annual co pay of $100. The few uncovered meds I’ve had to pay for were inexpensive, under $20, definitely cheaper than the out of pocket cost in the US.

Canada also has Pharmacare, to cover prescriptions for low income folks.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
36. But in cost comparisons.....
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 06:37 PM
Aug 2020

For example, my wife has a rare condition and has to have her blood thinned on any flight longer than four hours and we were going to Europe. The hematologist was going to prescribe two shots of Levenox, one for on the way and one for coming home. I asked if we could just get the pill form like Xarelto. He said sure, but the insurance company will probably push back. She'll get four pills, two for the day before and day of the trip. And two for the day before and day of return.

Went to the pharmacy and sure enough, insurance wouldn't cover it. Asked them how much out of pocket? $80 for four fucking pills. Just so we didn't have to deal with the hassle of needles, I said, sure, I'll pay it.

When we got to Rome after being in Paris for a bit...she couldn't find the pills and though she left them in Paris. So we went to a pharmacy, explained the situation and he said, sure, but with one caveat. He was going to have to sell a months worth. With little options, I said ok...it was 80 Euros for a whole month. Which was about 100 in US.

Something is seriously wrong on our side of the border.

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
5. My wife is from Canada
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:26 PM
Aug 2020

People with jobs usually have insurance that helps pay or covers it all, trillium is for low income or unemployed

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. "NOW" we're paying the price? How dare this fuck?!
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:41 PM
Aug 2020

People have died penniless for decades because of a late age illness. Work hard, save your money, manage your finances, and at the end of your life, hand it all over to insurance companies while your grieving survivors scramble to pay for the disposal of your remains.

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
12. That article was by Wendell Potter, who left the health insurance industry to advocate against it.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:21 PM
Aug 2020

He has been pushing for "Medicare for All" for more than a decade. Hardly a "fuck."

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. He's certainly working hard to absolve himself of any responsibility
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:40 PM
Aug 2020

He freely confesses that he made a very good living as an insurance executive, but that only NOW is it a problem that thousands of people are dying because of his earlier personally lucrative work. I see the bodies piling up, but I don't see Medicare for All. He wrote an op-ed column for the Post, so everything's good now with Wendell.

Can't say I'm seeing it.

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
18. Nope. Just telling how things work in the insurance industry.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:50 PM
Aug 2020

But, if you want to keep hating on the guy, that is your prerogative.

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
31. Yes, and his interviews are always very informative.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:54 PM
Aug 2020

I first heard about him from Randi Rhodes, who had him on not long after she came out of "retirement."

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
7. You can rework that first paragraph...
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:53 PM
Aug 2020

You can rework that first paragraph as a befitting outline of how every corporation essentially operates. Altruism is not even a meaningful word in that environment.

We have to address issues with the structure of the corporate charters and how it works. In many a sense, they are outdated if you want to include the impact on the environment, the commons, infrastructure, etc. We have incredibly huge, mega-corps utilizing all of that without any kind of requirement for dividends or obligation, so to speak. We pay the tab.

dawn5651

(603 posts)
22. i sat and listened to a lady from ontario who had a brain tumor that wasn't life threatening
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:56 PM
Aug 2020

she went i believe to arizona and had the operation to have the tumor removed, because it wasn't life threatening she had to wait in ontario for those who had life threatening tumors to be operated on first, after the operation she went to a republican campaign rally and got up and said how rotten medicare was and how she couldn't get a operation for a brain tumor ....leaving out the part the tumor wasn't life threatening.....and then lo and behold she went back to ontario and proceeded to sue the provincial government for the expenses she incurred in arizona...at about the same time my aunt was diagnosed with breast cancer...she had a mastectomy a few days later.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
25. This is a good article. Thank you very much for posting.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:04 PM
Aug 2020

Healthcare is definitely a major issue for me, and there is nothing that can ever convince me we can't afford to extend Medicare to all Americans. Nothing.

That said, it is good to see someone, just one guy, having a moral crisis about what the insurance 'industry' has been doing to us all along for the sake of shareholder profits. That is good.

The author reminds me, to an extent, of Oskar Schindler. Basically a soulless corporate profiteer who ended up being so bothered by what was going on around him that he became an advocate against the very industry that employed him. Not saying he is noble, because Schindler wasn't in the sense that we understand the word, but Schindler and this guy both have one thing in common - they could not ignore their conscience in the face of what they were seeing.

And...Oskar Schindler, as mediocre as he was as a human being, is memorialized by a tree, planted on the Avenue of the Righteous.

Kudos to the WaPo for printing this guy's opinion piece.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
27. I can't afford Medicare . I go to the socialist run VA . Excellent care . No paper work . All my
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:30 PM
Aug 2020

drugs and doctor visits are 100% paid for . This is what most of the rest of the world has for their
health care . America needs to wake up .

Fiendish Thingy

(15,570 posts)
32. Biden will have 12-18 mos to ram through universal healthcare
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:56 PM
Aug 2020

It’s a once in a century opportunity, let’s hope he doesn’t squander it.

With so many folks out of work and losing their employer sponsored coverage, there is an openness and momentum for substantive change which we must push Dems to implement.

Recent polls show a majority of Americans, including a majority of Republicans, support some for of universal healthcare not linked to employment status.

We can’t go back to business as usual, or simply seek a “return to normalcy”.

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