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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is the largest movement to remove a president I have seen in my life time.
Conservative Republicans have organized to remove Trump. Military organizations, veterans, have organized to remove Trump. Women have organized to remove Trump. The list goes on and on. It continues to grow everyday.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)It will be enough
AZ8theist
(5,478 posts)There are MILLIONS of us WHO KNEW YEARS AGO THIS ASSHOLE WAS A TRAITOROUS INCOMPETENT PIG.
We saw this coming way,way before he ran. WE FUCKING KNEW WHAT AN IMBECILE FUCKING NAZI HE WAS.
I am SOOOOOOO fucking sick of the assholes who are late to the party.
I worked in NYC in the 80's. This shit was OBVIOUS back then. Fuck all of you late comers. You. DIDN'T. LISTEN.
cynical_idealist
(360 posts)even if we don't like them
Hekate
(90,744 posts)...were swamped with Americans offering support and legal advice to Muslims when Trump denied them entry.
When the bastards tore infants and children from their mothers arms, people tried to find them, they sent what money they could to the ACLU and RAICES.
Every godsdamned DAY the fascists find some new atrocity to commit, and it is exhausting, and The People have stood up. By the time George Floyd was murdered in cold blood, the country went ballistic and it has not stopped.
So I ask you, do you want more people to wake up and join us? Do you want this to be a movement that builds and builds and builds?
Or do you really want to tell them to fck off?
TomSlick
(11,102 posts)I am a life-long, yellow-dog Democrat. Do you also curse me?
Do not suppose that all these groups are "late comers." For example, Vets Vote has always been an anti-Trump organization.
Squidly
(783 posts)Regardless if they have been anti-orangeface from the start or if they have a reckoning the day of the election. We shouldnt be blasting ANYONE if they are all seeking the same goal.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)AZ8theist
(5,478 posts)I will, OF COURSE welcome all comers to our movement to remove the BENEDICT ARNOLD of our time from the WH.
I merely wanted to express my frustration at the people who, in 2016, said "Let's see what Trump has to offer" while denigrating one of the most accomplished woman in Americas history.
And now are late to the party. When some of us were screaming at the tops of our heads this ASSHOLE will DESTROY AMERICA.
And now, here we are.
betsuni
(25,562 posts)They listened to ridiculous conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton instead.
An animal or small child can watch Trump speak for a few minutes and know he's dangerously insane.
This is not normal. It's sick.
AZ8theist
(5,478 posts)Sometimes I wonder why I post on this site...
blakstoneranger
(333 posts)It seems that the only people who didn't know trump was an idiot were people OUTSIDE OF NEW YORK. Most new yorkers and all of trumps family knew what kind of fool he was. It was everybody out side of new york and the family who didn't know. Those who watched the apprentice, those who read the art of the deal. I know, I was one of them. When I was in college in Illinois business school everybody thought trump was a genius. The art of the deal was required reading. BOY WERE WE WRONG, WELL I'M WOKE NOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER 42 PERCENT (THOSE THAT THINK HE DOING A GOOD JOB AND THOSE SCREWED UP CHRISTIANS).
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)I grew up in Greenwich, CT, considered to be a bedroom community of NYC. Hearing and learning about the tRumps was a window into their sliminess from the very beginning, but the tRumps weren't really known outside the tri-state area, until...THE APPRENTICE. He played the part, and the country believed. Fake news, indeed!
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Who got The Apprentice on the air and edited it so Donnie looked intelligent. Mark Burnett, I believe, is his name. He also pitched a series to NBC called Mission to Mir where they would have sent an American astronaut to the Mir Russian space Station. More Russian connections!!
I learned all this from here: twitter.com/LincolnsBible
Details multigenerational sleaze. All these crooks know each other. From the days of Al Capone and Bugsy Siegel and even before then.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)this menace to the rest of the country.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Time magazine had him on the cover as early as 1989.
PNW-Dem
(244 posts)The Never Trumpers are only pissed because Trump says the shit they are thinking out loud. They had their chance during the 2016 primary. Fuck them. Also, always good to see a fellow atheist online!
AZ8theist
(5,478 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)Politics is part about being firm in what you believe is right, and trying to convince enough people why you believe such
So the art of persuasion I reckon. Telling those who join your side to fuck off is less than persuasive. They are listening now, see?
As another DUer pointed out, its a good thing we have a democracy as we would fail a parliamentary method because of purity tests
AZ8theist
(5,478 posts)I am happy that more and more Trumpanzees are catching on NOW....
But that DOES NOT..
release my anger of the misogyny and unadulterated VENOM spewed forth by Reich wing assholes in 2016.
"Fuck that bitch!" was something I heard over and over again at work....
These Anti-American SCUM are irredeemable. Hence, my disgust at those who are late to the party. If you voted for the most VILE, RACIST, IGNORANT ASSHOLE in American history, I couldn't care less what you do 2020. You are not intelligent enough to cast a rational vote ever again.
YOU GOD DAMN FUCKING WELL KNEW WHAT DOTURD WAS.
And you supported him anyway. Fuck off.
AZ8theist
(5,478 posts)I was only speaking in general to the morons who voted for Doturd and are only NOW changing their minds...
Nothing personal.
EVER.
I reserve my vitriol for the Reich Wing.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)I understand your anger but I reckon at this point its a bit misdirected. Anger at Trump is the thing
To me shouting and hating has taken over from listening, thinking and understanding. So now some folks are changing their minds, I welcome them
Also remember some of these guys have been against Trump from the beginning
Never Trumpers
Conway et al
those who ran against him; Kasich, the Bushes
those who stood up to him: McCain, Romney , Ahnold S
some other folks stood up to him: that guy from TN (?Corker=he stood up a long time ago) another from AZ (I think), but they quit rather then fight
there are others too, Collin Powell comes to mind
As the Lincoln Project Ad "remember their names" points out : Its the sycophants that need to be scorned: Graham, Rubio, Cruz, and the enablers like Collins
AZ8theist
(5,478 posts)Yes, there were some never Trumpers who are fighting the good fight.
However, I do think some of the Trumpanzees are IRREDEEMABLE. The basket of deplorables actually exists, and while your desire for listening, thinking, and understanding is quite noble, I believe it is in vain for a lot of his supporters. The level of racism, misogyny, and xenophobia unleashed by these fucking Nazis will never be reduced or eliminated. Some Americans are too stupid, too unevolved to change now, or ever. The hatred is a feature of Doturds America, not a bug.
pandr32
(11,595 posts)Freethinker65
(10,028 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Every time a Trump or Lindsey speak they make more enemies..
The last one by Lindsey is a doozy. Threatening to put in a Supreme Court Judge in a lame duck session.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Yeah, I know you meant something different.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Personally working to prove him wrong! We all need to help prove him wrong!
Lonestarblue
(10,030 posts)Theres no other way Trump wins. Is it Republican plans, Russian plans, or both?
lastlib
(23,257 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)what happens when, in heavily democratic districts, there are irregularities like voting machines (conveniently) breaking down, and we are lined up, waiting, and 7 pm comes around and they decide to close the voting booths, with HUGE lines left to vote?
We need to preemptively get the courts to rule that WHOEVER IS IN LINE AT CLOSING gets to vote. They will try to challenge every vote they can, and we better have someone there to take on those challenges.
IF we are allowed to vote, and IF the votes are counted accurately (mail-in or electronic) he will lose in possibly the biggest landslide ever. So they HAVE to stop it, some way.
We better be wearing our comfortable sneakers, because at the slightest sign of invalidating our right to vote, the shit is going to hit the fan.
Of course they are PLANNING on that happening, so they can try to invalidate the whole election. We better be ready to prove to them that THAT is a price that they are not willing to pay.
Or we can sit on our asses and do nothing...
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Basically he inferred that enough Dems won't get off their couches to vote, and Idiot will win. After all, Mitt IS a Repuke.
AZ8theist
(5,478 posts)pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)I believe there will be tomfuckery of some kind. We need to have a turnout of gargantuan size in favor of Joe Biden.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,076 posts)... to congresscritters to prime their phoney, gaslighting, ratphuking and hysterical, "investigations", of Biden, any prospective VP candidates, Democratic Party members of Congress...
diva77
(7,648 posts)Oct. 23, 2012 / 7:52 PM
COLUMBUS, Ohio, Oct. 23 (UPI) -- The company whose voting machines will be tabulating votes in the swing states of Ohio and Colorado has links to Mitt Romney, a company spokesman said.
Salon magazine reported Tuesday Hart Intercivic's ties to the Republican presidential nominee first popped up last month on the Ohio website Free Press, which reported a key investor in Hart was HIG Capital.
Seven HIG Capital directors are former employees of Bain & Co., where Romney was chief executive officer before leaving in 1984 to found Bain Capital. HIG Capital, which has contributed $338,000 to the Romney campaign this year, announced its investment in Hart a month after Romney formally entered the presidential race, Salon said.
The Nation reported HIG Capital has ties to the Romney family through private equity firm Solamere, which has invested in HIG and is run by Romney's son, Tagg.
Hart Intercivic spokesman Peter Lichtenheld told Salon while HIG is a major investor, "it has nothing to do with management at Hart."
"We don't want the perception that we have some political agenda," Lichtenheld said. "We are in the election business and integrity is paramount."
Salon also noted a 2007 study commissioned by the state of Ohio found Hart Intercivic's voting system does a poor job when it comes to protecting the integrity of elections. The study found the Hart system allowed unauthorized individuals to gain access to memory cards and "easily tamper" with core voting data.
"The vulnerabilities and features of the system work in concert to provide 'numerous opportunities to manipulate election outcomes or cast doubt on legitimate election activities ... virtually every ballot, vote, election result and audit log is forge-able or otherwise manipulatable by an attacker with even brief access to the voting systems,'" the study concluded.
Lichtenheld said Hart's system has not been upgraded to address the concerns. He downplayed the concerns, saying the evaluators "were given unfettered access" so "they had all the time in the world and didn't have to worry about security breaches."
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I don't know what the status is as of 2020, however, Kentucky is rigged with Hart Intercivic machines. Not sure about where else.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436
A team of election security experts used a Google for servers to challenge claims that voting machines do not connect to the internet and found some did.
New warnings of hacking risks for voting systems connected to the internet
Jan. 10, 2020, 3:36 PM PST
By Kevin Monahan, Cynthia McFadden and Didi Martinez
It was an assurance designed to bolster public confidence in the way America votes: Voting machines are not connected to the internet.
Then Acting Undersecretary for Cybersecurity and Communications at the Department of Homeland Security Jeanette Manfra said those words in 2017, testifying before Congress while she was responsible for the security of the nations voting system.
So many government officials like Manfra have said the same thing over the last few years that it is commonly accepted as gospel by most Americans. Behind it is the notion that if voting systems are not online, hackers will have a harder time compromising them.
But that is an overstatement, according to a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections. While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk.
That team of election security experts say that last summer, they discovered some systems are, in fact, online.
We found over 35 [voting systems] had been left online and were still continuing to find more, Kevin Skoglund, a senior technical advisor at the election security advocacy group National Election Defense Coalition, told NBC News.
Image: Kevin Skoglund
Kevin Skoglund, senior technical advisor at the National Election Defense Coalition.NBC News
We kept hearing from election officials that voting machines were never on the internet, he said. And we knew that wasn't true. And so we set out to try and find the voting machines to see if we could find them on the internet, and especially the back-end systems that voting machines in the precinct were connecting to to report their results.
Skoglund and his team developed a tool that scoured the internet to see if the central computers that program voting machines and run the entire election process at the precinct level were online. Once they had identified such systems, they contacted the relevant election officials and also provided the information to reporter Kim Zetter, who published the findings in Vices Motherboard in August.
The three largest voting manufacturing companies Election Systems &Software, Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic have acknowledged they all put modems in some of their tabulators and scanners. The reason? So that unofficial election results can more quickly be relayed to the public. Those modems connect to cell phone networks, which, in turn, are connected to the internet.
The largest manufacturer of voting machines, ES&S, told NBC News their systems are protected by firewalls and are not on the public internet. But both Skoglund and Andrew Appel, a Princeton computer science professor and expert on elections, said such firewalls can and have been breached.
SNIP
bdamomma
(63,905 posts)when those traitors didn't vote for impeachment.
Freethinker65
(10,028 posts)Would already be gone if the Senate had done its job.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)And the money seems to be flowing in.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... appropriately, we're not just trying to remove a bad movement but a dark force and culture within then reThuglican party.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Nixon was a huge toad, but he wasn't ignorant. He was paranoid, but he was not nearly as nuts as this guy. Truthfully, in today's world, with Fox news and the internet nuts, Nixon may have survived to stay in office.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... how in the hell does one remove credibility from a pandemic doctor during a pandemic without having a huge media infrastructure to do so.
FAUX News needs to be addressed with the Biden admin, they're most likely working with the Russians
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)She told him once he was "one of those guys like Fauci". He said thank you maam but I'm not nearly as smart as Dr. Fauci. She threw down her rake and stomped into the house. Scientists are the enemy of these mindless twits.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... are so gullible.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Science only wants to be their friend.
The bright side is, they are culling the weakest minds from the herd.
kimbutgar
(21,172 posts)Concept of facts . I call them the goners too far gone to see the truth right in front of them.
mgardener
(1,817 posts)But also not as stupid as Trump.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)He wanted to get out while he could, and he procured a pardon for himself. Trump might still do that, but I don't think he actually has much common sense or ability to listen to advice. He's very perverse too-- If McConnell and other GOPers came to him and said soberly, "For your own good, you need to get out while you can- try to get the best deal you can," he'd probably say, "Stick it up your nose, you traitors!"
It's hard to admit this-- I spent my childhood loathing Nixon, for good reason-- but he's really far nastier than even Nixon. This year especially he's become a copy of rabid segregationist George Wallace, only without the charm.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... were people as animated against Nixon or was it same level?
Dems won senate and house after Nixon if I'm not mistaken
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Do not be confused, he was like Trump a very dim bulb intellectually.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:08 AM - Edit history (1)
And 18 months later was down to about 25% approval rating and forced to resign-- and the crimes were much less, in retrospect, than Trump's (however, Nixon's war was much more horrendous). The disapproval for him in the left was very much amplified by the anti-war attitudes. As with LBJ (a Democrat who was probably even more loathed on the left-- this wasn't "partisan" ), the war created the base of opposition to him.
I think with Nixon, it wasn't that the group of people who hated him grew, but the people who liked him in 1972 grew to dislike him-- not to hate him (my mother-in-law even now will say moderately good things about him) but to actually disapprove of him as a "crook".
Those of us who despised him weren't surprised, but we weren't anywhere near a majority.
With Trump, all along, a majority thought he was terrible-- obviously, 3 million more.
Thing is, Nixon for all his many faults and crookednesses had a real idea of what could be good for the country (also did bad, of course). He went to China-- so amazing then that someone made an opera about it!-- and started the EPA. He tried to install wage/price controls to stop rampant inflation. While I seldom agreed with him, I think he had a few areas where he wanted to help the country. He did care.
Trump doesn't care at all about the country. Not one jot. (Or about his family either-- it's like inhuman, well, not even "inhuman," as probably even goldfish care about their families.) So he's worse in an order of magnitude, and I think the monumental and unshifting majority that has been against him since day one is evidence of this. We know he's WRONG and we knew it all along. That's already a majority.
What Trump has that Nixon didn't is a hard cadre of lunatic cult followers who will never leave him. I don't know how many that is-- 35%? 30%? Nixon never had those worshippers, so once the "establishment" quit him, the bottom dropped out quickly. He didn't have a lot of "to the death" loyalists.
I was remembering both Bushes had terrible approval ratings-- below 30% -- near the end of their terms. Trump's base is higher than that, which is truly scary.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)put more lunatics in Congress.
This is going to be a tough mess to extract the country from.
FakeNoose
(32,679 posts)I guess that's what we'd call the people who supported the Vietnam War in the face of every known fact about how terrible and destructive that war was. Nixon still had all those people voting for him because they believed it was "unpatriotic" and "disloyal" not to support your President during a war - any war.
I never admired or supported Nixon - ever - but in retrospect of 50 years I can grudgingly see a few things now that I couldn't see then. He had a law degree, experience in the Senate (also friends in the Senate) and those are things Chump never had. Nixon had intelligence and street smarts, and he did his homework - as all Presidents have done, until Chump.
Nixon did have the support of crazy lunatics - the people who believed "my country, right or wrong." They were around then, and they've multiplied now because of Faux News. Nixon knew how to play to those RWNJs and he was cadgy about it, just as Chump is now. Even AFTER Nixon resigned and got the hell out of Washington, some people were still saying he was "framed" or "railroaded" or whatever. That was insane!
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)As a kid, I just didn't realize any American could be as bad as Trump.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)But he opened a dialogue with China, signed the EPA. He was a conflicted, tragic man.
But I think the evidence is he loved his country and never would have conspired with our enemies.
The most unforgivable thing he did, worse than watergate and far more long lasting, was opening up the Republican Party to Wallace supporters. Until then republicans supported Civil Rights legislation reaching back to their Lincoln founding. But I dont believe he thought they would be allowed to take over the party. Thats on Reagan.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)But yes, unlike Trump he actually did some positive things.
Raven
(13,897 posts)Johnson had the good sense to step aside but he had strong opposition within his own party. I suppose that if the Republicans get desperate enough they could do something before the convention but they won't because their last hope is a stolen election.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Support among normal people? I do not think so!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Huge difference.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Raven
(13,897 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,235 posts)buh-bye Trumpie!
groundloop
(11,520 posts)Wednesdays
(17,389 posts)It almost worked.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot
calimary
(81,365 posts)They only start talking "2nd Amendment solutions" when Democrats are in power.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)uncle ray
(3,157 posts)musclecar6
(1,690 posts)Hard core base Will always stick with him cause hes conned them and/or they are a bunch of deplorables, just like him. No one with any integrity or intelligence would have anything to do with this ridiculous excuse for a president. Fortunately enough people are wise to this clown so that hopefully he gets voted out in November and we can wash our hands of this inept fool.
Nitram
(22,840 posts)H2O Man
(73,577 posts)I've never seen anything like this in my long lifetime.
DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)Of course Trump will try to pull stuff but the act is wearing thin and that dog just wont hunt anymore. Just more crimes to charge him for when he loses which he will bigly. The smart thing to do for the GOP would be to run away from him but they cant. Too late. LOL. These never trumpers dont even consider themselves Republican anymore. Democrats, are you ready to be a big tent majority party again?
procon
(15,805 posts)Where is the organized movement of which you speak? Have all these disparate groups combined and joined forces to become a legitimate national organization with a common goal? Surely they have a mission statement, and who is in officially charge, is there a governing board,
. where are their offices, how are they raising funds, are members of Congress supporting them?
What are they organized to do, what is their purpose exactly? Are they sponsoring local chapters, organizing protests and rallies, putting out ads and press releases? Are they militaristic in scope and will they go so far are to stage a forceful coup, assassination, or just sign a petition and write strongly worded letters to their Congress critters?
I don't see anything of the sort.
shockey80
(4,379 posts)Haven't you seen the political ads? A lot of those ads are not from Democrats. The best ones so far are from Republicans.
procon
(15,805 posts)These folks all shared a common cause, like cheering fans in a sports stadium, but they are still just separate individuals who are protesting spontaneously, but not as any organized effort to oust Trump.
A movement must have leaders with some plan for organization, setting goals and getting out their cohesive message. While I wish it would develop, sorry, but there's just nothing like that so far.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Each Anti-Trump movement has it's own organization.
All that matters is that the attacks keep coming.
Mr.Bill
(24,310 posts)I think there will be gunfire at some polling places on November 3rd. If your state allows it, vote by mail.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)His gestapo goons are going to prevent swing state Dems from voting by force and tear gas.
Watch.
bdamomma
(63,905 posts)of really saying what should be done.......sigh
Joinfortmill
(14,443 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,933 posts)Viral.
A meme.