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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:07 AM Jul 2020

This is the largest movement to remove a president I have seen in my life time.

Conservative Republicans have organized to remove Trump. Military organizations, veterans, have organized to remove Trump. Women have organized to remove Trump. The list goes on and on. It continues to grow everyday.

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This is the largest movement to remove a president I have seen in my life time. (Original Post) shockey80 Jul 2020 OP
Hopefully Sherman A1 Jul 2020 #1
+++ still_one Jul 2020 #6
FUCK ALL OF THESE "GROUPS" AZ8theist Jul 2020 #44
every one that can help to get him gone is important cynical_idealist Jul 2020 #49
Thank you so much. Over a million women marched the day after he was sworn in. Airports... Hekate Jul 2020 #55
I contribute to a couple of those veterans groups you curse. TomSlick Jul 2020 #58
We need all hands on deck Squidly Jul 2020 #61
Kickity Kick This zentrum Jul 2020 #64
You all missed my point completely AZ8theist Jul 2020 #65
Agree they DIDN'T LISTEN. betsuni Jul 2020 #68
THANK YOU for comprehending my original post. AZ8theist Jul 2020 #72
MARY TRUMP SAID THE SAME THING blakstoneranger Jul 2020 #66
Everything in your post is spot on. Totally Tunsie Jul 2020 #71
You can blame it on a guy at NBC. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #76
I've cursed Mark Burnett on many an occasion for introducing Totally Tunsie Jul 2020 #79
I dunno. Trump was making national news long before the TV show fescuerescue Jul 2020 #81
Amen brother! PNW-Dem Jul 2020 #67
YeeHaw!! Yes, fellow atheists are always welcome in my space...(on line, that is!) AZ8theist Jul 2020 #74
If you can't get folks to change their minds and see things your way, why bother? GusBob Jul 2020 #69
As I have said before.. AZ8theist Jul 2020 #73
Sorry, GusBob, I was not referring to you.... AZ8theist Jul 2020 #75
I knew who you were referring to no problem, not me,them GusBob Jul 2020 #78
I agree with you.. AZ8theist Jul 2020 #80
May we be successful pandr32 Jul 2020 #2
Let me know when the US Senate gets added to the list Freethinker65 Jul 2020 #3
It is! True Blue American Jul 2020 #10
The US Senate is on our list. We will remove many Trump enablers. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #13
Read this morning that Romney believes that tRump will be reelected. pazzyanne Jul 2020 #26
What does Romney know that we don't about plans to cheat? Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #28
Russian, republikan--dime's worth..... lastlib Jul 2020 #32
He thinks we won't show up to vote, lol! MoonRiver Jul 2020 #34
We ARE going to show up to vote in numbers that are going to set records, but not_the_one Jul 2020 #45
Agreed, and this is our challenge. But it's not what Romney was implying. MoonRiver Jul 2020 #47
and 75000 SS Stormtroopers "guarding" the election? AZ8theist Jul 2020 #77
I don't trust tRump and his minion, at all. pazzyanne Jul 2020 #46
Perhaps Romney has seen those Russian packets sent out... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 2020 #48
Article from 2012 reported Hart Intercivic voting machine co. has ties to Romney diva77 Jul 2020 #63
especially bdamomma Jul 2020 #54
My point was the Senate currently chooses NOT to remove Trump. Trump would already be gone... Freethinker65 Jul 2020 #82
It is impressive. This is a huge team. Mike 03 Jul 2020 #4
Is sentiment against Trump worse than Nixon? Also, Trump and his cult leaders need to be demonized uponit7771 Jul 2020 #5
I was around during Nixon, this is different. redstatebluegirl Jul 2020 #7
+1, I looked at Fauci's approval ratings with MAGA Cultist and its 39% !! WTF!? He's a doctor !! uponit7771 Jul 2020 #9
We have a neighbor who glares at my husband when he walks the dogs. redstatebluegirl Jul 2020 #12
That's alarming the amount of empty headed one source of information idiots living in it who ... uponit7771 Jul 2020 #15
These mindless twits are their own enemies. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #16
These people are so brainwashed they are brain damaged and can no longer understand the kimbutgar Jul 2020 #20
Yes not as smart as Dr Fauci mgardener Jul 2020 #30
Nixon, to his sort-of credit, had a smidgeon of patriotism and a big helping of self-preservation- dawg day Jul 2020 #11
+1, my understanding is Wallace would've reacted against Russia bounty hunters but I'm thinking uponit7771 Jul 2020 #17
Wallace didn't care about anything except getting rid of Black and Brown people. redstatebluegirl Jul 2020 #21
Nixon won in landslide in 1972... dawg day Jul 2020 #22
Life before rampant conspiracy theories and redistricting that moonscape Jul 2020 #35
Nixon had the loyal support of the military and the "super patriot" RWNJs FakeNoose Jul 2020 #41
I said last week to someone Trump makes Nixon look like a choirboy. redstatebluegirl Jul 2020 #43
I hated Nixon like I hate Trump now. But in retrospect, Nixon was not nearly as bad. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #18
Yep. Too young to remember much. Was 8 when he resigned. GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #57
He did conspire with North Viet Nam to extend the war until his election. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #83
I'm remembering the "Dump Johnson" movement. At least Raven Jul 2020 #8
You are saying Trump has True Blue American Jul 2020 #14
Not among normal people. Among Republicans. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #19
I was joking.:) True Blue American Jul 2020 #29
How on earth did you get that from my post??? Raven Jul 2020 #25
Man. Woman. TV. Elephant. Gonzo. bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #23
I'm a bit surprised nobody has been discussing "2nd Amendment solutions", but we're not them groundloop Jul 2020 #24
With Hitler, they tried a bomb Wednesdays Jul 2020 #38
Nope. They'll never aim that at a fellow republi-CON. calimary Jul 2020 #42
with all this, because of corruption, we can't be sure he's going to lose samsingh Jul 2020 #27
Every American wants him removed. uncle ray Jul 2020 #31
Trump's musclecar6 Jul 2020 #33
Yes, I suppose it is larger than the effort to remove Obama, but not by much. Nitram Jul 2020 #36
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2020 #37
This is looking like a landslide DIVINEprividence Jul 2020 #39
What does that even mean? procon Jul 2020 #40
It means what I said. People, groups , organizations are coming together to remove Trump. shockey80 Jul 2020 #50
There's no planned "coming together". procon Jul 2020 #51
He's being attacked from all flanks. That's "organized" enough. Progressive Jones Jul 2020 #70
As sad as it makes me to say this, Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #52
Gunfire? More like teargas. SoonerPride Jul 2020 #59
I'm getting to the point bdamomma Jul 2020 #53
Vote Joinfortmill Jul 2020 #56
It really is a good idea. Kid Berwyn Jul 2020 #60
And it is gonna take all of us to get his evil @ss out! Nt helpisontheway Jul 2020 #62

AZ8theist

(5,478 posts)
44. FUCK ALL OF THESE "GROUPS"
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:46 AM
Jul 2020

There are MILLIONS of us WHO KNEW YEARS AGO THIS ASSHOLE WAS A TRAITOROUS INCOMPETENT PIG.

We saw this coming way,way before he ran. WE FUCKING KNEW WHAT AN IMBECILE FUCKING NAZI HE WAS.

I am SOOOOOOO fucking sick of the assholes who are late to the party.

I worked in NYC in the 80's. This shit was OBVIOUS back then. Fuck all of you late comers. You. DIDN'T. LISTEN.

Hekate

(90,744 posts)
55. Thank you so much. Over a million women marched the day after he was sworn in. Airports...
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:22 PM
Jul 2020

...were swamped with Americans offering support and legal advice to Muslims when Trump denied them entry.

When the bastards tore infants and children from their mothers’ arms, people tried to find them, they sent what money they could to the ACLU and RAICES.

Every godsdamned DAY the fascists find some new atrocity to commit, and it is exhausting, and The People have stood up. By the time George Floyd was murdered in cold blood, the country went ballistic and it has not stopped.

So I ask you, do you want more people to wake up and join us? Do you want this to be a movement that builds and builds and builds?

Or do you really want to tell them to fck off?

TomSlick

(11,102 posts)
58. I contribute to a couple of those veterans groups you curse.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:05 PM
Jul 2020

I am a life-long, yellow-dog Democrat. Do you also curse me?

Do not suppose that all these groups are "late comers." For example, Vets Vote has always been an anti-Trump organization.

Squidly

(783 posts)
61. We need all hands on deck
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:22 PM
Jul 2020

Regardless if they have been anti-orangeface from the start or if they have a reckoning the day of the election. We shouldnt be blasting ANYONE if they are all seeking the same goal.

AZ8theist

(5,478 posts)
65. You all missed my point completely
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:26 AM
Jul 2020

I will, OF COURSE welcome all comers to our movement to remove the BENEDICT ARNOLD of our time from the WH.

I merely wanted to express my frustration at the people who, in 2016, said "Let's see what Trump has to offer" while denigrating one of the most accomplished woman in Americas history.

And now are late to the party. When some of us were screaming at the tops of our heads this ASSHOLE will DESTROY AMERICA.

And now, here we are.

betsuni

(25,562 posts)
68. Agree they DIDN'T LISTEN.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 01:15 AM
Jul 2020

They listened to ridiculous conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton instead.

An animal or small child can watch Trump speak for a few minutes and know he's dangerously insane.

This is not normal. It's sick.

 

blakstoneranger

(333 posts)
66. MARY TRUMP SAID THE SAME THING
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:49 AM
Jul 2020

It seems that the only people who didn't know trump was an idiot were people OUTSIDE OF NEW YORK. Most new yorkers and all of trumps family knew what kind of fool he was. It was everybody out side of new york and the family who didn't know. Those who watched the apprentice, those who read the art of the deal. I know, I was one of them. When I was in college in Illinois business school everybody thought trump was a genius. The art of the deal was required reading. BOY WERE WE WRONG, WELL I'M WOKE NOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER 42 PERCENT (THOSE THAT THINK HE DOING A GOOD JOB AND THOSE SCREWED UP CHRISTIANS).

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
71. Everything in your post is spot on.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 04:26 AM
Jul 2020

I grew up in Greenwich, CT, considered to be a bedroom community of NYC. Hearing and learning about the tRumps was a window into their sliminess from the very beginning, but the tRumps weren't really known outside the tri-state area, until...THE APPRENTICE. He played the part, and the country believed. Fake news, indeed!

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
76. You can blame it on a guy at NBC.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 05:38 AM
Jul 2020

Who got The Apprentice on the air and edited it so Donnie looked intelligent. Mark Burnett, I believe, is his name. He also pitched a series to NBC called Mission to Mir where they would have sent an American astronaut to the Mir Russian space Station. More Russian connections!!

I learned all this from here: twitter.com/LincolnsBible

Details multigenerational sleaze. All these crooks know each other. From the days of Al Capone and Bugsy Siegel and even before then.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
81. I dunno. Trump was making national news long before the TV show
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 01:02 AM
Jul 2020

Time magazine had him on the cover as early as 1989.

PNW-Dem

(244 posts)
67. Amen brother!
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 12:51 AM
Jul 2020

The Never Trumpers are only pissed because Trump says the shit they are thinking out loud. They had their chance during the 2016 primary. Fuck them. Also, always good to see a fellow atheist online!

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
69. If you can't get folks to change their minds and see things your way, why bother?
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 02:57 AM
Jul 2020

Politics is part about being firm in what you believe is right, and trying to convince enough people why you believe such

So the art of persuasion I reckon. Telling those who join your side to fuck off is less than persuasive. They are listening now, see?

As another DUer pointed out, its a good thing we have a democracy as we would fail a parliamentary method because of purity tests

AZ8theist

(5,478 posts)
73. As I have said before..
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 05:24 AM
Jul 2020

I am happy that more and more Trumpanzees are catching on NOW....

But that DOES NOT..

release my anger of the misogyny and unadulterated VENOM spewed forth by Reich wing assholes in 2016.

"Fuck that bitch!" was something I heard over and over again at work....

These Anti-American SCUM are irredeemable. Hence, my disgust at those who are late to the party. If you voted for the most VILE, RACIST, IGNORANT ASSHOLE in American history, I couldn't care less what you do 2020. You are not intelligent enough to cast a rational vote ever again.
YOU GOD DAMN FUCKING WELL KNEW WHAT DOTURD WAS.
And you supported him anyway. Fuck off.

AZ8theist

(5,478 posts)
75. Sorry, GusBob, I was not referring to you....
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 05:30 AM
Jul 2020

I was only speaking in general to the morons who voted for Doturd and are only NOW changing their minds...

Nothing personal.

EVER.

I reserve my vitriol for the Reich Wing.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
78. I knew who you were referring to no problem, not me,them
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 10:05 AM
Jul 2020

I understand your anger but I reckon at this point its a bit misdirected. Anger at Trump is the thing

To me shouting and hating has taken over from listening, thinking and understanding. So now some folks are changing their minds, I welcome them

Also remember some of these guys have been against Trump from the beginning
Never Trumpers
Conway et al
those who ran against him; Kasich, the Bushes
those who stood up to him: McCain, Romney , Ahnold S
some other folks stood up to him: that guy from TN (?Corker=he stood up a long time ago) another from AZ (I think), but they quit rather then fight
there are others too, Collin Powell comes to mind

As the Lincoln Project Ad "remember their names" points out : Its the sycophants that need to be scorned: Graham, Rubio, Cruz, and the enablers like Collins

AZ8theist

(5,478 posts)
80. I agree with you..
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 09:35 PM
Jul 2020

Yes, there were some never Trumpers who are fighting the good fight.
However, I do think some of the Trumpanzees are IRREDEEMABLE. The basket of deplorables actually exists, and while your desire for listening, thinking, and understanding is quite noble, I believe it is in vain for a lot of his supporters. The level of racism, misogyny, and xenophobia unleashed by these fucking Nazis will never be reduced or eliminated. Some Americans are too stupid, too unevolved to change now, or ever. The hatred is a feature of Doturds America, not a bug.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
10. It is!
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:23 AM
Jul 2020

Every time a Trump or Lindsey speak they make more enemies..

The last one by Lindsey is a doozy. Threatening to put in a Supreme Court Judge in a lame duck session.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. The US Senate is on our list. We will remove many Trump enablers.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:25 AM
Jul 2020


Yeah, I know you meant something different.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
26. Read this morning that Romney believes that tRump will be reelected.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:57 AM
Jul 2020

Personally working to prove him wrong! We all need to help prove him wrong!

Lonestarblue

(10,030 posts)
28. What does Romney know that we don't about plans to cheat?
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:18 AM
Jul 2020

There’s no other way Trump wins. Is it Republican plans, Russian plans, or both?

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
45. We ARE going to show up to vote in numbers that are going to set records, but
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jul 2020

what happens when, in heavily democratic districts, there are irregularities like voting machines (conveniently) breaking down, and we are lined up, waiting, and 7 pm comes around and they decide to close the voting booths, with HUGE lines left to vote?

We need to preemptively get the courts to rule that WHOEVER IS IN LINE AT CLOSING gets to vote. They will try to challenge every vote they can, and we better have someone there to take on those challenges.

IF we are allowed to vote, and IF the votes are counted accurately (mail-in or electronic) he will lose in possibly the biggest landslide ever. So they HAVE to stop it, some way.

We better be wearing our comfortable sneakers, because at the slightest sign of invalidating our right to vote, the shit is going to hit the fan.

Of course they are PLANNING on that happening, so they can try to invalidate the whole election. We better be ready to prove to them that THAT is a price that they are not willing to pay.

Or we can sit on our asses and do nothing...

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
47. Agreed, and this is our challenge. But it's not what Romney was implying.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 12:20 PM
Jul 2020

Basically he inferred that enough Dems won't get off their couches to vote, and Idiot will win. After all, Mitt IS a Repuke.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
46. I don't trust tRump and his minion, at all.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 12:17 PM
Jul 2020

I believe there will be tomfuckery of some kind. We need to have a turnout of gargantuan size in favor of Joe Biden.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
48. Perhaps Romney has seen those Russian packets sent out...
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 01:21 PM
Jul 2020

... to congresscritters to prime their phoney, gaslighting, ratphuking and hysterical, "investigations", of Biden, any prospective VP candidates, Democratic Party members of Congress...

diva77

(7,648 posts)
63. Article from 2012 reported Hart Intercivic voting machine co. has ties to Romney
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:53 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/10/23/Voting-machine-company-has-ties-to-Romney/38451351036348/

Voting machine company has ties to Romney
Oct. 23, 2012 / 7:52 PM

COLUMBUS, Ohio, Oct. 23 (UPI) -- The company whose voting machines will be tabulating votes in the swing states of Ohio and Colorado has links to Mitt Romney, a company spokesman said.

Salon magazine reported Tuesday Hart Intercivic's ties to the Republican presidential nominee first popped up last month on the Ohio website Free Press, which reported a key investor in Hart was HIG Capital.

Seven HIG Capital directors are former employees of Bain & Co., where Romney was chief executive officer before leaving in 1984 to found Bain Capital. HIG Capital, which has contributed $338,000 to the Romney campaign this year, announced its investment in Hart a month after Romney formally entered the presidential race, Salon said.

The Nation reported HIG Capital has ties to the Romney family through private equity firm Solamere, which has invested in HIG and is run by Romney's son, Tagg.

Hart Intercivic spokesman Peter Lichtenheld told Salon while HIG is a major investor, "it has nothing to do with management at Hart."

"We don't want the perception that we have some political agenda," Lichtenheld said. "We are in the election business and integrity is paramount."

Salon also noted a 2007 study commissioned by the state of Ohio found Hart Intercivic's voting system does a poor job when it comes to protecting the integrity of elections. The study found the Hart system allowed unauthorized individuals to gain access to memory cards and "easily tamper" with core voting data.

"The vulnerabilities and features of the system work in concert to provide 'numerous opportunities to manipulate election outcomes or cast doubt on legitimate election activities ... virtually every ballot, vote, election result and audit log is forge-able or otherwise manipulatable by an attacker with even brief access to the voting systems,'" the study concluded.

Lichtenheld said Hart's system has not been upgraded to address the concerns. He downplayed the concerns, saying the evaluators "were given unfettered access" so "they had all the time in the world and didn't have to worry about security breaches."


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I don't know what the status is as of 2020, however, Kentucky is rigged with Hart Intercivic machines. Not sure about where else.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436

Online and vulnerable': Experts find nearly three dozen U.S. voting systems connected to internet
A team of election security experts used a “Google for servers” to challenge claims that voting machines do not connect to the internet and found some did.
New warnings of hacking risks for voting systems connected to the internet


Jan. 10, 2020, 3:36 PM PST
By Kevin Monahan, Cynthia McFadden and Didi Martinez

It was an assurance designed to bolster public confidence in the way America votes: Voting machines “are not connected to the internet.”

Then Acting Undersecretary for Cybersecurity and Communications at the Department of Homeland Security Jeanette Manfra said those words in 2017, testifying before Congress while she was responsible for the security of the nation’s voting system.

So many government officials like Manfra have said the same thing over the last few years that it is commonly accepted as gospel by most Americans. Behind it is the notion that if voting systems are not online, hackers will have a harder time compromising them.

But that is an overstatement, according to a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections. While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk.

That team of election security experts say that last summer, they discovered some systems are, in fact, online.

“We found over 35 [voting systems] had been left online and we’re still continuing to find more,” Kevin Skoglund, a senior technical advisor at the election security advocacy group National Election Defense Coalition, told NBC News.
Image: Kevin Skoglund
Kevin Skoglund, senior technical advisor at the National Election Defense Coalition.NBC News

“We kept hearing from election officials that voting machines were never on the internet,” he said. “And we knew that wasn't true. And so we set out to try and find the voting machines to see if we could find them on the internet, and especially the back-end systems that voting machines in the precinct were connecting to to report their results.”

Skoglund and his team developed a tool that scoured the internet to see if the central computers that program voting machines and run the entire election process at the precinct level were online. Once they had identified such systems, they contacted the relevant election officials and also provided the information to reporter Kim Zetter, who published the findings in Vice’s Motherboard in August.

The three largest voting manufacturing companies — Election Systems &Software, Dominion Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic — have acknowledged they all put modems in some of their tabulators and scanners. The reason? So that unofficial election results can more quickly be relayed to the public. Those modems connect to cell phone networks, which, in turn, are connected to the internet.

The largest manufacturer of voting machines, ES&S, told NBC News their systems are protected by firewalls and are not on the “public internet.” But both Skoglund and Andrew Appel, a Princeton computer science professor and expert on elections, said such firewalls can and have been breached.
SNIP

Freethinker65

(10,028 posts)
82. My point was the Senate currently chooses NOT to remove Trump. Trump would already be gone...
Sun Jul 26, 2020, 08:14 AM
Jul 2020

Would already be gone if the Senate had done its job.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
5. Is sentiment against Trump worse than Nixon? Also, Trump and his cult leaders need to be demonized
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:15 AM
Jul 2020

... appropriately, we're not just trying to remove a bad movement but a dark force and culture within then reThuglican party.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
7. I was around during Nixon, this is different.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:18 AM
Jul 2020

Nixon was a huge toad, but he wasn't ignorant. He was paranoid, but he was not nearly as nuts as this guy. Truthfully, in today's world, with Fox news and the internet nuts, Nixon may have survived to stay in office.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
9. +1, I looked at Fauci's approval ratings with MAGA Cultist and its 39% !! WTF!? He's a doctor !!
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:21 AM
Jul 2020

... how in the hell does one remove credibility from a pandemic doctor during a pandemic without having a huge media infrastructure to do so.

FAUX News needs to be addressed with the Biden admin, they're most likely working with the Russians

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
12. We have a neighbor who glares at my husband when he walks the dogs.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:24 AM
Jul 2020

She told him once he was "one of those guys like Fauci". He said thank you maam but I'm not nearly as smart as Dr. Fauci. She threw down her rake and stomped into the house. Scientists are the enemy of these mindless twits.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
15. That's alarming the amount of empty headed one source of information idiots living in it who ...
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:27 AM
Jul 2020

... are so gullible.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. These mindless twits are their own enemies.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jul 2020

Science only wants to be their friend.

The bright side is, they are culling the weakest minds from the herd.

kimbutgar

(21,172 posts)
20. These people are so brainwashed they are brain damaged and can no longer understand the
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:43 AM
Jul 2020

Concept of facts . I call them the goners too far gone to see the truth right in front of them.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
11. Nixon, to his sort-of credit, had a smidgeon of patriotism and a big helping of self-preservation-
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:23 AM
Jul 2020

He wanted to get out while he could, and he procured a pardon for himself. Trump might still do that, but I don't think he actually has much common sense or ability to listen to advice. He's very perverse too-- If McConnell and other GOPers came to him and said soberly, "For your own good, you need to get out while you can- try to get the best deal you can," he'd probably say, "Stick it up your nose, you traitors!"

It's hard to admit this-- I spent my childhood loathing Nixon, for good reason-- but he's really far nastier than even Nixon. This year especially he's become a copy of rabid segregationist George Wallace, only without the charm.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
17. +1, my understanding is Wallace would've reacted against Russia bounty hunters but I'm thinking
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:29 AM
Jul 2020

... were people as animated against Nixon or was it same level?

Dems won senate and house after Nixon if I'm not mistaken

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
21. Wallace didn't care about anything except getting rid of Black and Brown people.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:46 AM
Jul 2020

Do not be confused, he was like Trump a very dim bulb intellectually.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
22. Nixon won in landslide in 1972...
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jul 2020

Last edited Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:08 AM - Edit history (1)

And 18 months later was down to about 25% approval rating and forced to resign-- and the crimes were much less, in retrospect, than Trump's (however, Nixon's war was much more horrendous). The disapproval for him in the left was very much amplified by the anti-war attitudes. As with LBJ (a Democrat who was probably even more loathed on the left-- this wasn't "partisan" ), the war created the base of opposition to him.

I think with Nixon, it wasn't that the group of people who hated him grew, but the people who liked him in 1972 grew to dislike him-- not to hate him (my mother-in-law even now will say moderately good things about him) but to actually disapprove of him as a "crook".
Those of us who despised him weren't surprised, but we weren't anywhere near a majority.
With Trump, all along, a majority thought he was terrible-- obviously, 3 million more.

Thing is, Nixon for all his many faults and crookednesses had a real idea of what could be good for the country (also did bad, of course). He went to China-- so amazing then that someone made an opera about it!-- and started the EPA. He tried to install wage/price controls to stop rampant inflation. While I seldom agreed with him, I think he had a few areas where he wanted to help the country. He did care.

Trump doesn't care at all about the country. Not one jot. (Or about his family either-- it's like inhuman, well, not even "inhuman," as probably even goldfish care about their families.) So he's worse in an order of magnitude, and I think the monumental and unshifting majority that has been against him since day one is evidence of this. We know he's WRONG and we knew it all along. That's already a majority.

What Trump has that Nixon didn't is a hard cadre of lunatic cult followers who will never leave him. I don't know how many that is-- 35%? 30%? Nixon never had those worshippers, so once the "establishment" quit him, the bottom dropped out quickly. He didn't have a lot of "to the death" loyalists.

I was remembering both Bushes had terrible approval ratings-- below 30% -- near the end of their terms. Trump's base is higher than that, which is truly scary.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
35. Life before rampant conspiracy theories and redistricting that
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:51 AM
Jul 2020

put more lunatics in Congress.

This is going to be a tough mess to extract the country from.

FakeNoose

(32,679 posts)
41. Nixon had the loyal support of the military and the "super patriot" RWNJs
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:13 AM
Jul 2020

I guess that's what we'd call the people who supported the Vietnam War in the face of every known fact about how terrible and destructive that war was. Nixon still had all those people voting for him because they believed it was "unpatriotic" and "disloyal" not to support your President during a war - any war.

I never admired or supported Nixon - ever - but in retrospect of 50 years I can grudgingly see a few things now that I couldn't see then. He had a law degree, experience in the Senate (also friends in the Senate) and those are things Chump never had. Nixon had intelligence and street smarts, and he did his homework - as all Presidents have done, until Chump.

Nixon did have the support of crazy lunatics - the people who believed "my country, right or wrong." They were around then, and they've multiplied now because of Faux News. Nixon knew how to play to those RWNJs and he was cadgy about it, just as Chump is now. Even AFTER Nixon resigned and got the hell out of Washington, some people were still saying he was "framed" or "railroaded" or whatever. That was insane!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
18. I hated Nixon like I hate Trump now. But in retrospect, Nixon was not nearly as bad.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:30 AM
Jul 2020

As a kid, I just didn't realize any American could be as bad as Trump.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
57. Yep. Too young to remember much. Was 8 when he resigned.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:56 PM
Jul 2020

But he opened a dialogue with China, signed the EPA. He was a conflicted, tragic man.

But I think the evidence is he loved his country and never would have conspired with our enemies.

The most unforgivable thing he did, worse than watergate and far more long lasting, was opening up the Republican Party to Wallace supporters. Until then republicans supported Civil Rights legislation reaching back to their Lincoln founding. But I don’t believe he thought they would be allowed to take over the party. That’s on Reagan.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
83. He did conspire with North Viet Nam to extend the war until his election.
Mon Jul 27, 2020, 08:42 AM
Jul 2020

But yes, unlike Trump he actually did some positive things.

Raven

(13,897 posts)
8. I'm remembering the "Dump Johnson" movement. At least
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:19 AM
Jul 2020

Johnson had the good sense to step aside but he had strong opposition within his own party. I suppose that if the Republicans get desperate enough they could do something before the convention but they won't because their last hope is a stolen election.

calimary

(81,365 posts)
42. Nope. They'll never aim that at a fellow republi-CON.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:19 AM
Jul 2020

They only start talking "2nd Amendment solutions" when Democrats are in power.

musclecar6

(1,690 posts)
33. Trump's
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 10:41 AM
Jul 2020


Hard core base Will always stick with him cause he’s conned them and/or they are a bunch of deplorables, just like him. No one with any integrity or intelligence would have anything to do with this ridiculous excuse for a president. Fortunately enough people are wise to this clown so that hopefully he gets voted out in November and we can wash our hands of this inept fool.
 

DIVINEprividence

(443 posts)
39. This is looking like a landslide
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:02 AM
Jul 2020

Of course Trump will try to pull stuff but the act is wearing thin and that dog just won’t hunt anymore. Just more crimes to charge him for when he loses which he will bigly. The smart thing to do for the GOP would be to run away from him but they can’t. Too late. LOL. These never trumpers don’t even consider themselves Republican anymore. Democrats, are you ready to be a big tent majority party again?

procon

(15,805 posts)
40. What does that even mean?
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:12 AM
Jul 2020

Where is the organized movement of which you speak? Have all these disparate groups combined and joined forces to become a legitimate national organization with a common goal? Surely they have a mission statement, and who is in officially charge, is there a governing board,
. where are their offices, how are they raising funds, are members of Congress supporting them?

What are they organized to do, what is their purpose exactly? Are they sponsoring local chapters, organizing protests and rallies, putting out ads and press releases? Are they militaristic in scope and will they go so far are to stage a forceful coup, assassination, or just sign a petition and write strongly worded letters to their Congress critters?

I don't see anything of the sort.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
50. It means what I said. People, groups , organizations are coming together to remove Trump.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jul 2020

Haven't you seen the political ads? A lot of those ads are not from Democrats. The best ones so far are from Republicans.

procon

(15,805 posts)
51. There's no planned "coming together".
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 02:19 PM
Jul 2020

These folks all shared a common cause, like cheering fans in a sports stadium, but they are still just separate individuals who are protesting spontaneously, but not as any organized effort to oust Trump.

A movement must have leaders with some plan for organization, setting goals and getting out their cohesive message. While I wish it would develop, sorry, but there's just nothing like that so far.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
70. He's being attacked from all flanks. That's "organized" enough.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 03:05 AM
Jul 2020

Each Anti-Trump movement has it's own organization.

All that matters is that the attacks keep coming.

Mr.Bill

(24,310 posts)
52. As sad as it makes me to say this,
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:50 PM
Jul 2020

I think there will be gunfire at some polling places on November 3rd. If your state allows it, vote by mail.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
59. Gunfire? More like teargas.
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 11:10 PM
Jul 2020

His gestapo goons are going to prevent swing state Dems from voting by force and tear gas.

Watch.

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