Why Democrats will always lose, even when they win elections.

[rufus dog]

Earlier I posted that the Dems needed to shut down tRump. Sat back and watched the typical replies, 'what are you going to do,' 'we just need to sit back and let the election play out,'

Meanwhile the Repukes show how it is done. Protect a guy who is totally corrupt and incompetent, do absolutely nothing to rein him in. They do nothing to stop the catastrophe that the ShitStain had a huge part in escalating, their punishment? A bailout plan to fund their donors in trade for Unemployment benefits. As the thing plays out, the Dems are put on defensive for allowing some last minute changes to get in and not having proper oversight.

Now the benefits are days from running out. What should become an easy to win negotiation, get people money in trying times via unemployment benefits, becomes a negotiation because the repukes and the ShitStain won't agree. Seriously! FUCKING SERIOUSLY?

There is no negotiations, pass the fucking extension. Oh and Repukes, ShitStain, pull back the ShitStain Army now. Oh and we are going to punish every one in the goons army. Oh and we are going to fully investigate anyone who took money from Russia. Go full on talking point driven media blitz.

Objective, get the unemployment extension done. Then next week, start all over, taking off the thing that was just done, and then adding another. It really isn't that hard, it is what Repukes have been doing for thirty years. Comes down to finding enough people who want to fight and win and quieting those who want to play nice.

Oh as a plus for doing that, some of those white males who have been 'lost' to the repuke side after hearing 'liberal snowflakes' for years, they see someone standing up and telling an ignorant blowhard to shut the fuck up and they come flocking back. Yes they relate with his racism, but they also hate their fucking blowhard boss.

As for the Evangelicals, lost cause Fuck them.

p.s., the blowhard boss,... tends to make comments like, 'what are you going to do to fix it.'

[Orrex]

1. The important thing now, as always, is to keep our powder dry

Have a little patience. We've only been keeping it dry for 40 years or so. Soon it will be dry enough to continue keeping it dry.

[LenaBaby61]

2. 🤭

[brush]

3. You do know how this works, right? Moscow Mitch and the repugs...

are the majority in the Senate and no matter what the House Dems pass and send over to him, he calls the shots and doesn't even have to put it on the floor for a vote so we have to compromise sometimes.

Just make sure you vote in Nov. so we can get the power back. Right now repugs hold all the cards in the Senate, the WH and SCOTUS so complaining about Dems being weak losers and not fighting back makes no sense.

[Thekaspervote]

4. Exactly! And it's demoralizing...please just stop

[rufus dog]

5. You do realize you just made the point

We have a pResident hemorrhaging support. A man with no morals, no courage, no skills other than to bully and bluff. A man and a party in a horribly weak position a party that doesn't negotiate in good faith.

So no, absolutely not, it isn't just about voting. If is about crushing them, because they won't learn if they aren't crushed. We are running out of time to play it fair, to play nice. Not only with Republicans, but with the media. When they come back with the both sides, someone needs to scream at them, YOU ENABLED THIS BULLSHIT! YOU NORMALIZED IT!

So, this seems like a damn good fucking time to make a stand. Or we could win a landslide, let Repukes hold up a Senate seat for four months, to deny a veto proof majority. Then allow the media to frame things as "it is important to work together", then hold that 60 seat majority for just a couple months. Then let the media and repukes drive the narrative while trying to work with the repukes, then lose the House. Seen that fucking movie, don't want to see a sequel. It isn't bashing, it is learning from mistakes.

[brush]

6. Not making your point at all. I know how things works. If you...

have a plan on how to get around Moscow Mitch besides the election, lay it out for us.

Just words complaining about Dems isn't anything but words. What's your plan, exactly how to get trump out before Nov., please.

[brush]

15. Sorry, that makes no sense at all. Dems can get up and make...

impassioned speeches on the Senate floor all they want but McConnell still controls what gets voted on and he won't put a bill on the floor without know how the members of his caucus are going to vote.

Screaming at the repugs gets nothing done. The numbers are just not there now. We are outnumbered. This stuff one learns in civics classes in high school.

[frazzled]

8. They clearly don't know how it works

Or maybe didn’t learn how to subtract 45 from 53. For Senate Democrats to pass a bill (if they could ever get one on the floor, which they can’t, as you explained) they’d need to peel away at least 6 Republican votes. That hasn’t happened in more than 20 years.

Or maybe this is just some pot stirring.

[rufus dog]

11. How did the Republican block legislation when they were in the minority

Can always make excuses and end up on the losing side. Now is the time to get extremely aggressive. Perhaps Dems would be a bit stronger if they felt like others had their back.

[brush]

14. What others do you speak of to have their backs?

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We are outnumbered in the Senate. The only other is Sanders the independent and he votes with us. The math is still not there, repug votes are needed to vote with Dems if a bill gets to the floor.

You seem to have missed civics in high school or something.

[rufus dog]

16. Perhaps it come from lessons learned in life

Winning brawls even when out numbered. A bit of brawn a bit of brains.

Life is strange, a lot of factors decide our fate.

I guarantee you that Obama picked Biden as his VP based upon some characteristics he saw from people on Basketball courts. He saw the fighter in Biden, a characteristic that was not his strongest suit, but complemented his skills.

So I didn't miss jack shit as I was getting A's in High School Civics, even though I was out brawling on courts at night.

It also taught me how to win!

[brush]

18. Hahahahahahahaha! You still don't know how the Senate works.

Brains nor brawn nor aggression overcomes the math of the majority. It's really not that complicated.

[rufus dog]

19. And you have no idea how to win

And it really isn't that complicated.

Have fun with your justification for losing though.

tRump isn't the problem, he is the symptom.

I suggest you spend a bit more time contemplating that and figuring out what it takes to win. Otherwise, we are all destined to lose.

[brush]

20. Most of us on this board know what it takes to win, you get...

the most votes in all the races. It takes the most electoral college votes for the presidency in our antiquated system.

Seems everybody here knows that but you.

[brush]

22. Idiocy means nothing. You make absolutely no sense. I'm done.

It's the most votes, nothing else.

[rufus dog]

24. Thank you

You are done!

And HRC would be President right now if the most votes count.

FFS - Please stop and think.

[brush]

35. No retention of info? I said to you in an earlier post that...

the presidency is the only election based on EC votes, but it's still the most EC votes.

God.

[Hortensis]

30. Rufus, RW leaders have divided us by portraying this

as a zero-sum game in which wins for one side must be losses for the other. This is completely mistaken thinking, but they're using this zero sum notion as a tool to fool people and gain power.

For leaders whose goal is advancing national wellbeing, winning is a synergy whose benefit grows to create yet more wellbeing for more people. Nothing zero sum, or "them OR us" about it.

[betsuni]

31. +1

[Eliot Rosewater]

44. I love your posts and I am a long time fan of yours and some others here posting similar stuff but

you are talking about an America that has laws for both sides, right now that is not our America.

You are taking about an America where the DOJ is not the personal attorney for a fascist criminal who takes orders, literally, from our enemy.

As we speak I am hearing that somehow the polls are swinging back for traitor mass killer rump. AMAZING if true. But not surprising.

I just dont know what happens when 50% of the adults (democrats) vote by mail when only 25% of assholes (repubs) vote by mail and the votes by mail are held back purposely, which we now know is LIKELY to happen.

I just dont know what we can do, do you?

And, if the assholes decide also not to vote in person, we NOW KNOW the traitor and his USPS sycophant will HAND PICK states where ballots will get thru and not get thru, right? We know that will happen, right?

I havent even got to what will happen if we are allowed to vote, in which case he WILL lose AGAIN, but when he sends his assholes out to protect him or he refuses to leave, etc.

I dont have the answer, but I am pleading for US to be prepared for all of this to happen!

[Hortensis]

46. Oh, same here, Eliot, and how could I disagree when it is

what's happening? Sensible people are waking up to it way late in the process, maybe too late. 2012 may have been our last democratic presidential election. We can't know yet.

But we do know that, democracy saved or democracy lost and the fight to restore not even begun, we have to recreate the majority that kept this from happening for over 70 years, including in the 1930s and 1940s when that majority successfully fought off the RW and LW authoritarianism that took down other nations.

As for the OP, liberals had to lead the way then because most Republicans, like now, were in thrall to the enemy. Democrats don't only win more than we lose, but our nation only wins when we do.

[frazzled]

37. Remember, the 2/3-vote rule to prevent cloture has been all but eliminated

Most bills can get passed by a mere majority now.
(rushing this post, so I may need some explanation/correction from others)

[Demsrule86]

38. We needed 60 votes but we won't when we win the next election.

The filibuster will go. Why bash Democrats. Maybe if we supported our party better, we could do better.

[Eliot Rosewater]

45. I agree, NOBODY who says this stuff and I am saying some of it, better have not voted for

the D's anytime in the past.

My reason for SCREAMING is we simply dont have a system prepared to deal with traitors and criminals who run the government. We dont.

[betsuni]

26. +1

[brooklynite]

7. Yawn....

Thanks for your lesson...I apparently didn't get it, so I'll keep doing what's realistic and achievable (which at the present time involves an election). You can show us how wrong we are by organizing that extra effort you demand of everyone...or you can sit in your chair and lecture.

[rufus dog]

23. And pony up

What are you doing to stop this?

https://www.koin.com/news/protests/night-55-wall-of-moms-to-link-arms-wheeler-to-talk-with-protesters/

And donating some cash doesn't cut it.

[ehrnst]

40. I don't think that Brooklynite is the Manager that you clearly want to speak to about 'fixing' this.

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However, donating to ACLU can help, so there's that.

U.S. District Judge Michael Simon today blocked federal agents in Portland from dispersing, arresting, threatening to arrest, or targeting force against journalists or legal observers at protests. The court’s order, which comes in response to a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon, adds the Department of Homeland Security and U.S. Marshals Service to an existing injunction barring Portland police from arresting or attacking journalists and legal observers at Portland protests.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-court-issues-restraining-order-federal-agents-portland

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. You are not entirely wrong.

[uponit7771]

27. ..👍🏼

[SiliconValley_Dem]

12. dumb take on what has gone on past 12 years

[rufus dog]

13. Well that convinces me

Dumb take, with nothing else.

[ehrnst]

41. Pretty much. (nt)

[JI7]

17. making excuses for racist white trash trump supporters while attacking

those who oppose Trump.

fuck that.

those white men support trump because their interest is seeing minorities get hurt.

they don't care about any economic policy where non white people will benefit.

[ehrnst]

42. +1000.

[betsuni]

25. Another "Why didn't/don't Democrats stop ____ ?" thing.

"Democrats don't fight" etc. Until Democrats have large majorities in the legislature, I don't understand these complaints. Everyone knows Republicans won't govern. It's all on them when they're in the majority. They brag about it. Activism is different from government, which has many rules and regulations with a long history that must be followed. Republicans get away with cheating because so many Americans are politiphobes who blame both sides for being too partisan and won't pay attention. Media won't educate anyone about how government works. Comedians do.

And no, the "white males who have been 'lost' to the repuke side ... they see someone standing up and telling an ignorant blowhard to shut the fuck up and they come flocking back" is incorrect. These are the people who said Trump "tells it like it is." They did not vote for him because of economic anxiety, it was identity politics. They identify with their blowhard boss. There will be no flocking back because they flocked to the Republicans for ignorant racist reasons, not policy or "fighting." They don't even like Republican policy. The number of white men were about evenly divided between both parties in 2008. Now Republicans are an overwhelmingly white party.

[Hortensis]

28. Liberalism has been WINNING for centuries. You need to

look up and around. What's happening is RW reactionaries objecting bitterly to not just usually losing but acceleration of losing.

Degrees of advances in equality of humans that previously took millennia are now occurring over a couple decades. And conservatives benefit and pay the tradeoffs the same as liberals, though cons are more likely to resent the hell out of change and take longer to accept.

But, when only liberals or conservatives think they've "won," that's a problem, guaranteeing the kind of setbacks and backlashes against one political side that we're experiencing now. The feeling that we're winning has to include most people, or it will be followed by strife instead of acceptance.

So maybe consider that it's a huge, HUGE mistake to look at elections and government as EITHER liberals OR conservatives winning. Biden and Obama are trying to get people to realize that. We really are all in this together and have no choice about that. If one side of the whole loses too big to tolerate, the whole is inevitably hurt.

That doesn't go for the Republican leadership, of course. Neither side wins until enough are kicked out that they lose their power to hurt everyone.

[betsuni]

29. +1

[lapucelle]

32. ...

[George II]

33. If you want something done, why not present a few suggestions or recommendations on what....

...should be done?

[betsuni]

34. +1

[ehrnst]

43. Indeed. (nt)

[marble falls]

36. One of the dumber OPs ever.

[Demsrule86]

39. Democrats already passed a bill. The GOP did nothing...I wait with bated

breath for your solution.