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Joe Biden is expected to announce his running mate by August 1, maybe sooner. The assumption has been that he has to name a Black woman, to keep faith with the rising movement for racial justice. The smart money has been betting that the candidate for VP will be Kamala Harris.
Indeed, the Wall Street people around Biden have been urging him to name whoever will most help him get elected (presumably Harris). And if that should be the far more centrist Harris, it conveniently sidelines Warren, who would be a severe threat to the speculative Wall Street business model.
Now comes a new poll from Data for Progress and YouGov that blows that conventional wisdom to hell. Its very good news for Warren. And the deeper you drill down, the better news it is.
The poll asked uncommitted voters and voters in battleground states a series of questions.
Read more: https://prospect.org/politics/poll-shows-warren-better-for-biden-ticket-than-harris/
(American Prospect)
chillfactor
(7,587 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)You guys don't want to win because Warren is the best choice based on poll numbers.
Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)Weird
I am correct, Warren did not carry her own state..says a lot
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)The person he should pick should be the best person for the job, regardless of their ethnic or racial make up. However there is an intense push to bring a black woman onto the ticket and chances are he'll do just that.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)being governed by polls alone. Surely there are other considerations besides polls.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)woman when there are many qualified Hispanic, Asian and Native American women as well. I think we should stick to asking for a woman of color.
RandySF
(59,694 posts)Baker would name her replacement.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,703 posts)Green Line
(1,123 posts)What if Charlie Baker decides to run? Hed win.
Mariana
(14,863 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,703 posts)Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)be the best choice. I like Tammy Duckworth myself.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,703 posts)That is a fact on record.
blueniteflower
(38 posts)MA resident here. Kennedy or Markey will run for her seat and win it. Both are extremely strong candidates. We understand the implications of sending an R to the senate. Baker is fine as Gov but lots of people here would not want to give Republicans someone else in the senate.
RandySF
(59,694 posts)And Warrens resignation is the difference between a Dem majority or minority?
blueniteflower
(38 posts)He has clout only in MA. And if he nominates R, he is done. If he does, the dem legislature will change the law to force him to nominate someone from the same party. He is not dumb enough to nominate himself as the national Republican Party hate him. And if he does so, again, the dem legislature will change the law to name him vote dem. Only way he goes to senate is to change party affiliation.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)back the Senate.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Bettie
(16,145 posts)but some people around here seem to really hate her.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... winger sources?
Bettie
(16,145 posts)or the constant "she's a socialist"....um, she's not.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,759 posts)Joe will be focused on international triage of our world reputation: Warren would have the green light to get serious financial restructuring underway with Schumer/Pelosi. Only problem is the Senate vote count. Give up a safe MA Senate seat to Charlie Baker (R)? Only if he agrees to a Democratic replacement.....hmmmmm.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)in both houses, they can override a Baker veto or change the law.
I think right now, an appointment would only be short-term until a special election can be held to finish Warren's term.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,759 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)and they were going to do it after Ted Kennedy passed away...
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)that Biden and Warren have a "close, personal relationship." They do not. They get along, and I have zero doubt that Warren and Biden will work well together as loyal party members, but they do not have a "close, personal relationship." Certainly not any more close and personal than Harris.
mvd
(65,185 posts)I dont get as enthusiastic about Warren as Sanders, but Warren would definitely be an overture to progressives. On the negative side for Warren, she is also older, and we need to make sure we get minority turnout. I think Warren could get that turnout, but that should be the subject of research by Bidens team.
JustBidenOurTime
(27 posts)and would love to see her in the cabinet as Secretary of the Treasury.
musicblind
(4,486 posts)if she wants to be in Biden's cabinet. She could make significant contributions there.
JustBidenOurTime
(27 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The people want Warren including a plurality of African-Americans and Latino/Hispanics.
Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)JustBidenOurTime
(27 posts)undecided voters". That's not "the people". And it's certainly not Democrats, who are most assuredly "decided", even before a pick is announced.
Also, are there actually voters who still don't know how they will vote? If so, is there enough of them to swing the election?
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)Two candidates in their seventies is not what we need.
musicblind
(4,486 posts)It needs to be a Black woman.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)LizBeth
(9,953 posts)We do need to get a woman in there.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)LizBeth
(9,953 posts)AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)who are the mainstay of Democratic victories, we need Kamala Harris as VP.
We need to show the electorate and the world that we value diversity. We want to reward people who have been loyal to us for decades and get the Obama juices flowing to make them WANT to come and vote.
Many ultra-progressives stayed home or voted for Stein. They may do so again but they are few. We need to solidify our most reliable and loyal constituency.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)LizBeth
(9,953 posts)PunkinPi
(4,882 posts)something that didn't materialize for Hillary in 2016. Also, see this from today per CNN...
...
When you dig a little bit deeper, you see that Biden doesn't seem to be as well liked as Clinton was among Black voters. An average of six live interview polls taken since late May have his favorable rating at 74% to an unfavorable rating of 15% among Black voters. Clinton, on the other hand, averaged an 81% favorable rating to 13% unfavorable rating in the pre-election polls taken right before the 2016 election.
Source: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/21/politics/joe-biden-black-voters/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_allpolitics+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Politics%29
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)SC made it pretty clear POC know the importance of this election,
Who said that? Not me.
Yes, Black voters in SC supported Biden and know the importance of this election. However, if you bothered to read the part I bolded, what's most important is voter turnout this election, esp. the Black vote, since some folks stayed home because they assumed HRC was going to win. Having a Black woman on the ticket could help with that.
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)To sit this one out. I do not think that is the correct answer.
And again, I think we are all aware the importance getting out and vote and I think the black community particularly knows the importance of their vote and we saw that example starting in SC.
PunkinPi
(4,882 posts)Also women, an Asian American woman and a Latina woman on Biden's list. How is that telling women to "wait their turn" or "sit this one out?"
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)sit down. ONLY black women, it is STILL not your time.
What part is so very complicated for you?
PunkinPi
(4,882 posts)they can't all be chosen. Biden said he would choose a *woman* (whatever her ethnicity/background/race) for VP (Yay, good for women!) and whomever he finds to be the best fit for his admin.
Hope you have a great day!
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)already said that is the parameter he is working with. I am not the one throwing out restrictions and musts. You are.
We have an awesome choice of women.
brush
(53,971 posts)hundreds of years. That's not complicated at all. Perhaps the Democratic Party, hugely supported by black people, would for once get behind and support a black woman VP. You know, reciprocate the support we've given for forever.
Not complicated at all.
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)brush
(53,971 posts)continuing systemic racism against black people? All women have not experience anything near that.
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)Not going to argue it though. I disagree a need to find levels of women subjugation, humiliation, violence against us. I understand privilege and was having that conversation way before today. I think Warren would excel in that position, get things done that we need to get done that Biden or Harris won't.
I think Harris has strengths that would allow her to shine in AG, but now really seeing Sec of State with her skills.
I can see Warren taking Schumer position or Sec of Treasury, equally.
This is how I hire. What position would be most productive and what position will allow most success. Win win win for all of us. Why sabotage a woman's success not putting her in the right position.
Btw, I think Harris is the one the nation needed for Prres.
brush
(53,971 posts)Warren would be a great Treasury Sec. We need a younger VP candidate. An all-white ticket in this time of finally reckoning with racial inequality? Again, not smart.
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)YOU do not think it is smart. I hear you.
brush
(53,971 posts)What are we, going back in time where POCs have to know their place?
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)supporters play this game. I watched Sanders people do it with women as a whole. We disagree. I see no reason to have further conversation.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Black women sit down and wait so this White woman can have her turn. That's what you're saying.
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)turn. I am consistent. Every post. Every conversation. I have legitimate reason Warren should be VP. Purely an opinion. Being white is not a reason to not consider her, or any other white woman. I want woman success, and I feel Warren will take off. I would like to see the opportunity like I wanted to see that opportunity with HRC.
Klobuchar. She stepped away and said should be a black woman. I respect that. She was about my 3rd choice for pres but I see reasons I would not want her as VP, being white is not one.
If not Warren I like Rice. After that I like Harris. What I think will be brought into the position and what we need, complimenting and filling in with Biden.
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)position for her personality, skills, experience and look how awesome Clinton was.
brush
(53,971 posts)tagged with the socialist label by the repugs, and lastly, why in the world would we want to go with an all-white ticket in this time of finally arriving at an opportunity for reckoning with racial inequality?
Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)Bettie
(16,145 posts)they'll call anyone we put up a socialist. They do every time.
brush
(53,971 posts)white septuagenarian? We have to be smarter than that. We need a younger VP candidate to help attract younger voters.
Bettie
(16,145 posts)And she isn't a socialist. She's a Democrat.
gristy
(10,667 posts)If the former vice president names his future appointees now, it will cast him as the convener of a generational transition in national leadership.
RONALD BROWNSTEIN
MAY 28, 2020
Joe Biden beat a rival in the Democratic primary whose slogan was Not me, us. Now a growing number of Democrats believe that Biden should adopt Bernie Sanderss rallying cry for himselfwith a twist.
For Sanders, Not me, us conveyed that he viewed himself as the voice and vessel of a mass movement. Thats not a realistic aspiration for Biden, but the slogan could symbolize a compelling alternative role. The us wouldnt be his passionate grassroots following; it would be a new generation of diverse public officials he would promise to bring into government with him if hes elected.
To run on this message, Biden could identify the officials he would appoint to many of the top Cabinet positions in his administrationa roster that would inevitably include several of his competitors for the 2020 Democratic nomination. That approach would cast Biden less as a singular savior after the bruising conflicts of the Donald Trump years than as the convener of a generational transition in national leadership.
more: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/05/why-joe-biden-should-name-cabinet-now/612163/
Fiendish Thingy
(15,703 posts)The surrogate shadow cabinet members could blanket the media and counter all the crimes and errors of Trumps cabinet.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,703 posts)I dont think either would be a bad choice, as far as winning the election.
While I find it a bit worrisome that Wall Street is actively lobbying for Harris and against Warren, I hope Biden goes with whomever the data shows to be the best strategic choice.
BComplex
(8,082 posts)I've always had the deepest respect for her, and she's smarter by far than any of the other 2020 candidates. She's brilliant, in fact, and would make an awesome president.
Then, maybe Katie Porter can be Attorney General, and take Bill Barr to the penitentiary with the Cheeto Cheater in Chief.
brush
(53,971 posts)and why in the world would we go with an all-white ticket in this time of finally reckoning with racial inequality, especially when the most loyal base of the party are POCs.
Let's think clearly, folks.
BComplex
(8,082 posts)And evidently the polls agree with me! She's perfect at this point in our lives.
And, by the way, I believe ageism is against DU rules, and for a really good reason; AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY SPECIFIC PERSON'S QUALIFICATIONS.
Nancy Pelosi is 80, and right now as we speak, she is 3rd in line for succession to the presidency under the constitution.
brush
(53,971 posts)Two white septuagenarians when the most loyal base of the party is POCs, plus we need to attract younger voters.
It's pretty clear an all-white ticket is not an ideal image we as a party should project in this time of finally reckoning with racial inequality.
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)Harris strength is more Biden strengths so they would be redundant where as Warren will be a real asset. I like Harris for AG taking her strength and supporting Biden.
backtoblue
(11,348 posts)Harris would too, but Warren is downright vicious in a debate.
Bettie
(16,145 posts)eviscerate Pence in a debate.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)transitional president, ushering in a new generation. Period.
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)kcr
(15,326 posts)Which is why his pick needs to be from the left.
LizBeth
(9,953 posts)comes in way more progressive than even Sanders and she does not get the credit for that. I have seen graphs where it shows Harris one of the most progressive. I do not remember how it compares to Warren, but I know she beat Sanders.
Btw, in the here and not and with Biden, I think Warren is the candidate we need. Harris was my Presidential nominee until she stepped out.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)He win Florida he wins.
Warren gets him nothing. Harris completes the remaking the Obama coalition which won Florida twice.
Maru Kitteh
(28,345 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Warren is Biden's best choice based on the poll numbers.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Warren started way ahead in national recognition, organization and money.
When she finished 3rd in her home state she lost all credibility as a campaigner. She is included out of respect for her but has zero chance of getting the VP. If "ahead in the polls were that significant then Sanders would be the nominee.
Besides Warren would be much better in the Senate where she would have the freedom to push policies that she can understand and dominate more than any other Senator, much better than being an Administration team player.
She has the chance of rising to the stature of Teddy Kennedy leaving her brilliant imprint on a wide variety of policies.
She made a fundamental basic error in her campaign, she tried to introduce too many issues. Second rule of campaigning is to focus on 3 points and hammer away on them building intensity as you force your competitors to respond to your campaign.
If she had focused on
1) $ 200 additional bump for SS.
2) 2% Asset tax on $ 100 m
3) Build on the ACA
She would be the nominee.
Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)Indykatie
(3,697 posts)I believe Biden would be more comfortable governing with Harris than Warren. Biden and Harris seem to have better chemistry to me and also seem very comfortable with one another since Biden clinched the nomination. The harsh things she said about Biden in the debate doesn't amount to a hill of beans as they say. Biden knows it's just politics.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The case for not-Warren
VP candidate(s) being promoted: Abrams, Bottoms, Demings, Harris, Rice.
Advocates: More centrist white Democrats such as Sen. Amy Klobuchar and ex-Sen. Heidi Heitkamp.
The main public argument: A Black woman must be on the ticket in the wake of the Floyd protests.
The real main argument: They oppose Warren being on the ticket on policy grounds.
As we wrote earlier this year, there is some evidence that a VP nominee can boost the ticket by about 2 or 3 points in her home state. But much of the veepstakes, before Floyds death, revolved around fairly weak claims made by reporters, columnists and various Democrats and Trump-skeptical Republicans that choosing a nominee from the Midwest such as Sen. Amy Klobuchar or Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan would boost Biden throughout that region. At the same time, some Democratic Party big donors argued that Warren specifically would hurt Biden electorally, so he should pick basically anyone else even as polls suggested that a Biden-Warren ticket was just as strong as or stronger than a ticket pairing Biden with other potential vice presidential candidates.
The Floyd protests and the resulting conversation about racial issues has tamped down talk of Democrats picking a white Midwestern woman. 3 The post-Floyd focus on racial inequality effectively ended Klobuchars chances of being the vice presidential nominee. She had been the top prosecutor in Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis, which is now at the center of Americas debate on race and policing. Civil rights activists have criticized Klobuchar for rarely bringing charges against police officers in incidents when they injured or killed civilians. So Klobuchar on Thursday announced that she no longer wanted to be considered for the vice presidency (she seemed very unlikely to be chosen) and urged Biden to put a woman of color on that ticket in part to heal this nation right now.
Other white Democratic moderates and white, Trump-skeptical Republicans are making the same case now too or least hinting at it. 4 (Despite Klobuchars use of the term woman of color, the push is really for a Black woman. We should emphasize Harris is both Asian American and Black.)
Im skeptical of the sincerity of the people pushing for a Black woman now and tying the push to the Floyd protests. The representational case for a Black woman makes some sense and was being made by many prominent Black Democrats like Clyburn and Rye before Floyds death. But the idea that a woman (or person) of color will heal the nation seems fantastical. (Were these people alive from 2009-2016?) And the idea that Abrams, Bottoms or any of the other Black women being considered have roughly equal abilities to heal the nation in the midst of the Floyd protests (which is why advocates of this idea dont feel the need to name a specific woman) seems fairly unfounded too.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-debate-over-bidens-vp-pick-is-full-of-half-truths-and-misleading-arguments/amp/
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,820 posts)greyl
(22,990 posts)writes3000
(4,734 posts)From yahoo on the same research.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/warren-harris-top-poll-battleground-100000026.html
dutch777
(3,055 posts)I like Warren but I have to think, politically, that a women of color is the best play for VP this year. It has to be someone that has good solid experience and can speak powerfully. It can't just be symbolic, it has to be a person of substance.
CTyankee
(63,926 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)From here: https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/battleground-poll-results-of-independents
This survey fielded on [link:https://today.yougov.com/join-community/?sourceid=1178109&pdl.rlid=brand&pdl.rlid2=yougov&rlid={{competitors}}&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpNr4BRDYARIsAADIx9zY7OZSKdNJ-w-9AVCwv_7IamR9y64m6EI_Rn1aTyXF9jiPtITjr78aAkeiEALw_wcB|]YouGovs online panel] and included 538 Independent US voters living in battleground states of Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin. The survey fielded from July 8-July 10, 2020, and was weighted to be representative of these states electorates by age, race/ethnicity, sex, education, US Census region, and 2016 Presidential vote choice. The margin of error for the survey is +/- 5%.
Survey/poll aside...
I greatly admire Warren and Harris and both would be an excellent pick. I think Tammy Duckworth would also be an excellent choice. This VP must be ready to be president right out of the box and must be a serious contender for the next presidential election. While I hope so, I'm not sure Warren, even at a youthful 71, will be perceived by a majority of Americans as one.
betsuni
(25,787 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)YIPEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
brush
(53,971 posts)Especially in this time of racial reckoning and the most loyal base of the party being POCs. Plus, we want to attract younger voters.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I love Elizabeth Warren but we don't need two old White people on our ticket.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Interesting that it endures so well months after she left the race.
Apparently a fair number of admirers also think she'd make a great treasury secretary. What's interesting to me is that Barney Frank, a Warren admirer who pushed Obama to put her in charge of creating the consumer protection bureau, apparently felt a need to say in an interview that that'd be a mistake.
Makes sense. Segueing away a bit, I remember a Nobel laureate economist once describing Frank as one of only three in congress at that time who understood economics.
honest.abe
(8,688 posts)Not surprising Warren would top that group.
Warren will not be the VP. No way we put two 70+ candidates on the ticket.
SKKY
(11,833 posts)...He gets Warren and her financial bonafides for free if he wants, and I'm sure he does because she knows of what she speaks. I just feel like NOT picking a woman of color, given the insanely impressive roster of candidates, is to miss an opportunity to right a wrong and to continue the push for a more racially inclusive America. But, what do I know? I'm just a dumb Sailor.
FakeNoose
(32,884 posts)I don't believe Joe Biden and Liz Warren would make a good team. They have been at loggerheads against one another in the Senate for at least 10 years - or more.
Senator Warren would make a fine President one day and I would love to see her become the first woman President. However it would be a mistake to pair them up and expect a good "team" when we've already seen they don't like each other and probably can't work well together.
On the other hand I'm not sure how Kamala Harris would fit in either. I have tremendous respect for her and I hope she's a part of Biden's Cabinet. But I don't know if she should be the next Vice President. The glass ceiling will be broken by our next VP, there's no doubt about that. It's hard for me to envision anyone in that spot other than Hillary Clinton.
apnu
(8,759 posts)There done, easy.
Wall Street will shit its collective pants if Warren is running the Treasury.
Demsrule86
(68,788 posts)LizBeth
(9,953 posts)Just like Harris and Warren get along well. Lots of Democrats this primary are working hard to create angst between primary candidates and I have not seen an example. Warren had her ideas, and Harris threw a zinger at her. Meh, a debate. I think all of them are smart enough, professional enough to understand running against each other, and no one went over the line.
I have not seen any genuine dislike like what I saw with Dems going after HRC. One of them was Biden, never quite there in supporting her unconditionally.
brush
(53,971 posts)LizBeth
(9,953 posts)I like Harris for AG with her skills and temperament better than VP. I preferred Harris as Pres.
I also like Warren in the slot of Schumer but I do not know he would give that up.
DFW
(54,502 posts)Neither Harris nor Warren, please.
DFW
(54,502 posts)A sitting president needs a VP who has his back with NO knife in their hand.
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)brush
(53,971 posts)preferably a woman of color to attract younger voters. Let's think clearly, folks.
Goodheart
(5,351 posts)Warren would make a fantastic Attorney General. Republicans would shit themselves.
Happy Hoosier
(7,460 posts)That's a big negative right there.
Gothmog
(145,839 posts)we need every Senate seat
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Maybe its just me and my perception, but VPs generally dont have that significant of a role within the presidency. It seems to me that the VP position is mostly used as a stepping stool to the presidency.
In my opinion, Harris has the temperament and an ease of talking with media and the public that reeks of confidence and leadership that I didnt feel from anybody else during the primary season. She was my first pick for the presidency and Id be elated to see her get the VP spot or SOS.
Warren I feel would be more useful to all of us in a more focused position, whether it be Secretary of Treasury, Attorney General, or in congress where she has a great amount of influence through the committees she chairs or is a part of.
You cant argue with the numbers, but I believe Americans would be better served with Harris as the VP and Warren in a more focused position where she can enact real change in our system.
This is not at all related to the topic, but I have to say that Im very pleased with Biden so far. Hes building a great team and listening to the best ideas everyone has to offer. Not just because of the individual strength of Biden, but rather the strength of the entire administration hes creating is making me very hopeful and excited about a Biden Presidency. To me, Biden is displaying true leadership.
ProfessorGAC
(65,381 posts)How many people make their voting decision, or decision to go vote, based on the running mate?
Especially now with a hugely polarizing incumbent.
I want him to pick the best person FOR HIM.
Other than that, I don't think VP choice is much of an electoral lever.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)This poll asks a lot of questions, but not one about the only thing that would indicate that Warren would bring more votes to the ticket than any other candidate would.
While this polls suggests that some of the people questioned like or agree with Warren more than the other potential VP nominee, there is nothing in this poll that tells us that Warren would make anyone more likely to vote for Biden than any other candidate. None of those polled were asked if there's anything different about Warren that would make them vote for a Biden-Warren ticket where they wouldn't vote for a Biden ticket without Warren on it.
Independent voters and uncommitted Independents voters top issue for Biden to keep in mind when making a Vice President selection is the economy, with 60 and 67 percent of these voters calling that issue very important, followed by the coronavirus pandemic (55 and 62 percent very important respectively) and access to healthcare (53 and 57 percent very important respectively).
Elizabeth Warren is overwhelmingly rated by Independents and uncommitted Independents as the most effective on the economy (22 percent and 14 percent) and coronavirus (13 percent and 10 percent)their top two issuesat up to more than three times more than the next most preferred potential VP nominee.
Warren is also rated five to one as most effective on helping Americans who are being exploited by Wall Street (at 25 percent, with the next nearest candidate at 5 percent).
Independents value potential nominees who have experience passing bipartisan legislation (with 48 percent calling this very important), fighting to lower healthcare and drug costs (38 percent), taking on special interests (40 percent), and specifically taking on the corrupting influence of Wall Street in our government (31 percent), each of these being major components of Warrens primary campaign message.
Elizabeth Warren is particularly popular on the economy and effectiveness among Independent and uncommitted voters who report they are considering voting for Biden but are not enthusiastic about doing so, with fully 34 percent of dissatisfied Biden voters selecting Warren as the strongest on the economy.
By a significant margin, battleground state Independents including Independents currently uncommitted to Biden or Trump rate Elizabeth Warren as the most effective as President on day one if called to serve (at 16 percent).
Nothing that comes even close to showing that Warren on the ticket would make anyone more likely to vote for Biden than they would if anyone else were on the ticket instead of her.
In other words, there is a HUGE difference between someone being a voter's PREFERRED candidate and someone actually making a difference on the ticket.
But it does seem that every time it starts to look like Harris has the edge, these kinds of stories pop up pushing Warren again.
PunkinPi
(4,882 posts)The article in the OP references the CBS poll from May, and there's a more recent poll (pg 123) that suggests Harris is the preferred VP pick of nearly every demographic, including among all Democratic voters, and specifically Black and Hispanic voters.
I can't wait til the Veepstakes are over.
nolabear
(42,002 posts)Warren deserves a cabinet position and shed be a great BP. But if hes going with I Care, hed better show up for black folks and women. Everyone expects it. There are qualified women who could lead like the pros they are, and he can be portrayed as just mouthing his enthusiastic support if it isnt.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)Hekate
(91,003 posts)I love Liz, but I am just saying that is a genuine consideration
honest.abe
(8,688 posts)Hekate
(91,003 posts)Thanks.