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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump didn't "ace" his cognitive assessment
He lies all the time and he is lying now.
His obsession with tell and retelling this lie shows how much his struggle with this dementia assessment bothered him. He told Wallace yesterday that you couldnt answer the last five questions which of course meant that was what he couldnt do.
His projections and accusations against others are always a tell.
He failed the dementia cognitive assessment.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)He's a disgrace.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)She had dementia and was diagnosed as having Alzheimer's disease. Even though she was suffering from progressive dementia at first she was able to correctly answer the test with few errors. It is a standard test that was given to her at every appointment every twelve months by a board certified Neurologist M.D. This test is extremely easy for anyone with normal functioning mental capacity. It has both a visual and audio tests that even young children can easily pass. The most difficult part was to remember a short list of objects, colors at first was able to recall most of the times. As the disease progressed she had increasing difficulty especially the verbal part. That Trump would attempt to claim that the test was difficult is only evidence that his mental ability is not up to normal standards.
it was difficult??? That test should NOT be difficult.
AdamGG
(1,297 posts)That they said that people usually don't do as well as he did.
It's hard to separate out his usual ridiculous hyperbole from whether he's covering up for being unable to perform the test. Either way, he needs to be gone ASAP.
3catwoman3
(24,092 posts)...drooling and peeing his pants.
AFAIK, cognitive tests are not administered just for the fun of it.
yardwork
(61,752 posts)Even when she can't answer the questions, they smile and say she's doing just fine.
Oppaloopa
(867 posts)The difference with him and Regan who also had dementia while in office Is Regan had people who cared about him to help him. When you are a Narcissist Bully you don't have that.
Baitball Blogger
(46,776 posts)He just forgot that he failed the dementia test.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)quakerboy
(13,923 posts)The Dr gives the test in the most friendly way possible, trying to keep it from being adversarial so that they can get an accurate result, and gives a result, again usually trying to keep it non adversarial (and few people take being told their brains are declining any way other than negatively). At the point such tests are needed, its often a matter of letting responsible parties know how far things have gotten.
That non adversarial approach Is an attempt not to upset the person being tested, and emotions stick better than facts, especially when someone has cognitive decline, so actual scores or bland statements about results usually vanish, and in short order the person tested will take the lack of negative emotion surrounding the test to mean they passed and everyone is wrong about their cognitive decline.
Kitchari
(2,168 posts)Always. You are correct.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I didnt lose. I won.
I didnt fail the cognitive test. I aced it.
It is upside down bizarro world.
Black is white.
Up is down.
Trump is smart.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)War is peace, freedom is slavery, and (especially where Trump and his followers are concerned) ignorance is strength.
jayschool2013
(2,316 posts)'Cuz we've always been at war with EastAsia.
Cyrano
(15,075 posts)Permanut
(5,687 posts)Oppaloopa
(867 posts)Kitchari
(2,168 posts)Once again, so automatic
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)he always looks as though he is sitting on his golden toilet.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)he is lying. This is no different than anything else in his past.
gordianot
(15,251 posts)It then follows; When, Where, Who, and Why? Of course Wallace couldnt pull off the gotcha questions it is dangerous to rouse a Psychopath.
KG
(28,753 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,488 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,354 posts)That day they threw him into an SUV ad rushed him to Walter Reed was because he had had a stroke that left him fairly incoherent, which would not be unusual. In a few hours and with some medication and monitoring he mostly recovered, which is also not unusual. I doubt this was the first time this happened, and it won't be the last.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I want to see if I am as smart as trump. Anyone have a link to the test?
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)So proud I too could be president!
Ilsa
(61,710 posts)I wouldn't want to be president of a country that elected me president!
moonscape
(4,676 posts)thought one of them was 45.
panader0
(25,816 posts)He was asked who the current president was and didn't know. (It was Bush at the time)
He was told three words and to remember them. A minute later, when asked to repeat them, he said
"What three words?" I took him to the doctor because he refused to quit driving. After the exam, the
doctor told him to give up the keys. He cussed "that stupid doctor!" as I drove him home.
Ilsa
(61,710 posts)out of her brain for five minutes, but I know she could visualize him.
She is struggling finding words. The other day she came upstairs from her basement apartment asking frantically for her son, yelling "he needs to come see this! It's horrible!" I asked her "what? Something on the news?" She said, "No, no. It's awful. He needs to see this." My husband (her son) wasn't here, so I ran downstairs to discover the basement was flooding. The sump pump had stopped working (the electrical plug wasn't in far enough to complete the circuit). She was unable to tell me what the problem was ("The basement is flooding" .
panader0
(25,816 posts)My brother, who at 72 is three years older than I am, is in in a home for early onset dementia.
Very sad to see. I will check out on my own before I let that take me. I'm hoping I take after
my mom's side of the family that stayed sharp until the end.
Oppaloopa
(867 posts)My Mother had it in her late 80's her grandmother had it
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)central scrutinizer
(11,666 posts)Fuck, fuckstick, fuckhead, fucker, fuckface, fuckwad
Wednesdays
(17,462 posts)Filthy, fornication.
You know. All words tRump's familiar with.
BamaRefugee
(3,488 posts)MontanaMama
(23,366 posts)My personal favorite.
Ilsa
(61,710 posts)Did he really just mean 30 points? Is there another cognitive exam with "35 questions"?
usaf-vet
(6,232 posts)You'll find it. Most people say he would have failed with the count backward by sevens. That took me a minute until I figured the repetitive pattern.
smb
(3,477 posts)...all he has to do is repeat his last batch of public approval ratings.
oldsoftie
(12,658 posts)horrible at counting backwards. When I was in my early 20s a fellow student was doing a psychology experiment on memory retention and other tests like counting backwards like they do on dementia tests. The counting backwards test I failed miserably. Subtracting has always been a problem for me. Retaining words I am better at.
robbob
(3,539 posts)I cant do it! Not without mentally reciting a forward snippet to get me started. W-X-Y-Z...ok, so Z...Y...um (wxyz), um X, W (T-U-V) umm...V?...
And so on. Kind of freaks me out that something so easy for myself and every child over the age of 4 to recite going forward becomes a tangled mess to reverse. I mean, I can COUNT backwards...
be even worse at that!
RobinA
(9,903 posts)why they have serial 7s in these tests. To me it's math, not cognition. I could foresee myself not being able to do them under a lot of situations that wouldn't really be cognitive.
deurbano
(2,896 posts)how to make change since I wasn't good at "performing" with people watching me. After realizing how much I sucked at this low level skill when having to perform it with an audience, I tried to avoid any jobs that involved making change!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)When he says "a lot of people don't know this..." what he really means "I just learned this"... or "here's a fact I didn't know and I'll be surprised if you know it too".
ronatchig
(575 posts)I guess great minds think birds of a feather---wait
Aviation Pro
(12,224 posts)I barely got past three letter words using f(vowel) as a prefix.
Fab, fad, fan, far, fat, fax, fed, fez, fib, fig, fin, fit, fix, you get the point.
PCIntern
(25,628 posts)I have heard the story many times. High functioning people when asked to name words beginning with a given letter stop dead In their tracks. There is a measure of testing anxiety with these tests, Im not saying that that is what the problem was with you know who, but many people dont handle the test well.
Ilsa
(61,710 posts)and "farthingales**," while fax, fib, fix, etc eluded me until I chilled.
**I enjoy reading novels that may have detail on fashion.
PCIntern
(25,628 posts)All these esoteric words I was fumbling for. I felt like such an asshole
Ilsa
(61,710 posts)notKeith
(141 posts)fuck fucks fucker fuckers fucked fucking fucktard fuckwit fuckhead fuckwad fuckmate
...he replied, fuckishly.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Fuckface, for Trumpass
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)fuck fart fool fist flip flop fate fail faux fade fans fink flap
unblock
(52,442 posts)I sometimes have a really hard time doing mental tasks in the "wrong" place.
My mental database of people, for instance, is very location dependent. At work I know literally everyone in the company (about 50 people). But if I run into one of them in the grocery store, often I can't come up with their name.
I'm quite good at taking written tests. But asked the same question out loud by an actual human, I often completely blank. Many times, I know the answer even before the question is done, but by the time they finish and the spotlight is on me to answer, I've completely lost it.
At work, often I can't figure something out in a meeting until I get back to my office and look at my laptop. Then it instantly hits me.
So this test looks really easy on paper, but I think if I had an emergency and was in a hospital and people gave me that test, it would be a different story.
That said, I'd know better than to brag about not having dain bramage!
intrepidity
(7,346 posts)I've never heard it described so accurately, but that is me too. Surely it means something, in terms of an organic cause?
unblock
(52,442 posts)Mrs. Unblock signed me up once for the annual New York times crossword puzzle tournament that will shortz, the editor, hosts each year.
I sat directly across from an older gent with shockingly white hair, chatting and doing crosswords for 3 hours. During breaks people would come up to him and thank him for all he's done and ask his autograph. So I knew he was famous but I couldn't place him. I assumed he was some local celebrity, a former mayor maybe.
When it was nearly over mrs. Unblock finally has a chance to pull me aside. She was so impressed at how totally cool I was chatting with phil Donahue, who I had only seen on tv about a million times.
As soon as she said it, it became instantly obvious. And it's not like he looked any different in real life. Same very distinctive features. But it didn't click until she told me.
intrepidity
(7,346 posts)I have always been mystified how police sketches of suspects come to be. I'd like to see one of those artists try to interview me, lol. A complete mystery.
"Did their nose look like this, or this?"
"...Yes?..."
unblock
(52,442 posts)Watching tv, mrs. Unblock can instantly spot a familiar actor the instant even half of their face is visible on screen. She'll pause the show right there and ask me if I recognize them and of course I'm saying I haven't even seen their face yet, not that that's much help.
Usually I recognize them as familiar but can't place them. Finally she'll say it was the detective's boss from that police drama we saw five years ago. Or it was the guy who was in that *one* episode of sex and the city.
I'll check on imdb and of course she's always right.
*she* could give a great description of anyone for a sketch artist, I'm sure. Me, not so much.
We're still trying to figure out how to make a million off of this talent my wife has....
Wednesdays
(17,462 posts)Is she a lefty?
unblock
(52,442 posts)PCIntern
(25,628 posts)Me too!!!!
RobinA
(9,903 posts)I have the same problem with physical things. I was in a dance recital once and we learned that dance in one dance studio. I could do it in my sleep. When we went to do a run through prior to dress rehearsal we were in the big studio. The music started and I had no expectation of having a problem, but I could not do it AT ALL. And it wasn't a hard dance. The only thing I could figure was that I was unconsciously using sight cues based on the original studio to know what to do next. Without my sight cues I was an idiot.
I also don't learn things well when there is no context for the new information. Good bye being multilingual. Despite having an excellent memory, I can't learn another language to save my life.
unblock
(52,442 posts)I can take a route 100 times, then someone paints their house or chops down a tree and I miss my turn.
Fortunately there's gps these days!
Ilsa
(61,710 posts)gynecologist walking in the mall. I didn't recognize him because I usually see his face several inches over a blue paper sheet that's draped over my hips and apart knees.
I have trouble recognizing "types". On a Monday, a young man with dirty blond hair, thin whiskers, and carrying an extra 40 pounds on a 5'9" frame came by the house for a maintenance issue. Three days later, another guy meeting that description came by to sell a roofing job to us. I thought he was the same guy as Monday. I can't tell their faces apart. I can't remember them until I've spent a lot of time getting to know them.
But I can tell a rhino from a camel.
moonscape
(4,676 posts)kid I was terrible at the memory card game Concentration. Its maybe why I loved math so much; it involved figuring things out vs memory.
The part I would likely fail is the 5 word thing, remembering after 5 min. My mom had alzheimers so I know a lot about dementia. I dont have it yet, but my memory is horrid. I can remember experiences easily, conversations, etc ... but random data? Nope.
jcgoldie
(11,656 posts)WTF that have to do with Trump?
PCIntern
(25,628 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Chiyo-chichi
(3,591 posts)fat
fraud
fake
false
flimflam
failure
fascist
feckless
feebleminded
felon
fiasco
FOOL!
PCIntern
(25,628 posts)Guaranteed.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,210 posts)at the end. I first thought, when I glanced at the test, that the last five were the ones about the date and do you know where you are. Then I broke down and read the instructions.
And now I'm afraid I've got a brainworm that's going to be whispering "face, velvet, church, daisy, red" in my ear all day.
IowaGuy
(778 posts)[link:
|drray23
(7,638 posts)linking the worlds together. This way your brain will associate the images of your silly story with the words. You will be able to repeat them forward and backward. I can do two dozens easily.
For example :
The man with a velvet mask stood in front of the Church holding a daisy in his blood red hand.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)mercuryblues
(14,552 posts)How could he have scored the best ever on this this test? There is a finite score that cannot be exceeded. It's reasonable to say that millions of people have achieved a perfect score on it.
Why would DR's be surprised that the President of the United States passed this test? A test that any 10 year old could pass.
And that is why I know he is lying. Along with his constant bragging about how well he did and how no one else could answer the questions as well as he did.
It doesn't just bother him. Repeating the story over and over is also a sign of dementia.
Brother Buzz
(36,490 posts)Think about it.
LiberalArkie
(15,733 posts)shows my doctor where I am and am I getting worse. Yes I am.. But she said I am pretty normal for my age.
BTW. Biden would have a problem starting at the memory part.. It is age related.
I would love to see Trump take an ethics test.
study war no more
(73 posts)That's just like him to think he's the best of everything. I administer this test all the time in clinic and most people do NOT score a perfect score (30). Even young people with full cognitive function somtimes miss something - like remembering the five words after I've tripped them up with lots of other questions. I know the answers and I still wouldn't score a perfect score.
Gothmog
(145,805 posts)Grammy23
(5,815 posts)do it accurately. But that is nothing new for me. Math has always been my weakest subject even the fairly simple stuff. It bugs me that math never became simple for me but that is just how it is for some of us. I can do the count backward bit but it just takes me slightly longer and my anxiety is through the roof!
What I have to remind myself is that the test is looking for new deficiencies. Identifying Cognitive decline is the point of the test. You might be a PhD level mathematician and at some point start losing the ability to do the simple tasks. It is an indicator of processing issues in the brain.
tRumps crowing about his test results (which is likely a lie) is just more of the pathology he has had all along. His go to strategy is always to lie about anything and everything if he thinks it makes him look better. No one is saying that tRump is completely demented. He is showing signs that he headed that way. So he can brag all he wants. The truth will be known and there is not much he can do about it except Continue to lie his ass off.
karynnj
(59,508 posts)Both of us have advanced degrees in math, but he has always been incredible doing mental math. He has for years been surprised that over time fewer young people can easily make change. He explained many tricks for easily doing computations in your head to our three daughters. I never had the same innate ability that he had to do computations in my head.
His immediate answer was to rattle off the numbers, far faster than I could. I think if I were given the test, I would place needless pressure on myself to answer quickly possibly leading to dimple arithmetic errors. He As explained that he could do it quickly by subtracting10 and then adding three. I tried and it is easier, but I still was way slower than him.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)karynnj
(59,508 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)1plus1equals1
(205 posts)Yep, I've had five brain injuries in my life and my doctor wanted to do the test due to some issues I was having with short-term memory. So, after ten hours of cognitive testing I didn't break anything and I can identify pictures of common animals. Wow, I not only aced it I'm a calm genius; see, there's hope for all of us and I'm now proof of that.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)The sequence of five words that one must remember is rather difficult. I doubt that Trump could do it.
-Laelth
Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)He has the nuclear codes. The Republicans have truly let the country down by allowing this demented mad man to remain president.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)They will pivot and try to pretend trump and trumpism never happened.
wnylib
(21,731 posts)So remember their names and have copies of their quotes, either on video or in manuscript form to remind them and others of their part in making America fascist.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I won't need to keep a list or remember.
They are all complicit.
They can never be rehabilitated and welcomed back into polite society ever again.
EVER
wnylib
(21,731 posts)for you. They are proof to throw in the face of the deniers when they try to con others into believing that they were never part of the Trump fascism machine.
yuiyoshida
(41,869 posts)to placate him of course.
whopis01
(3,530 posts)I'm betting that he saw the doctor's note and thought it said "This guy is a total ace".
Happy Hoosier
(7,454 posts)... who the fuck brags about "acing" a cognitive function test anyway? That's like bragging that you leg isn't broken.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)And is demented.
Happy Hoosier
(7,454 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,503 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Blue Owl
(50,547 posts)as in Fat Fuck Failure
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)But he heard fantastic fabulous!
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)What is the date
And
Where are you.
Tough tough questions. Believe me.
Mr.Bill
(24,354 posts)my IQ was tested and it was 143, which made me not have much faith in IQ tests.
I'm going to be 67 nine days from now and I figure I have drank and drugged away about 25 of those points, and I'm still smarter than anyone in the Trump family.
And remember Trump claims to have never drank or used drugs. I dropped LSD over 100 times in the early 70s.
Hekate
(90,978 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,319 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)The fact that he was even asked to take this test means that at least one doctor, a very important doctor, thinks he may be cognitively impaired. Which, of course, he is (just my opinion).
Is he lying about his test results? Chances are very good that he is lying. His lies are well documented.
lame54
(35,343 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)against prosecution.
Joinfortmill
(14,495 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Josiesdad
(44 posts)They should ask him...
"That is very nice Mr President. Will you release the Doctors that gave you this test from their NDAs and give them permission to talk to us about the test and your session with them?"