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Remember that post re federal troops "kidnapping" citizens in Portland? It's true. (Original Post) nolabear Jul 2020 OP
That needs to stop. Tech Jul 2020 #1
Unidentified federal agents of some sort but NOT troops. TomSlick Jul 2020 #2
What should I call them? nolabear Jul 2020 #13
A hostile invading force gratuitous Jul 2020 #16
+1 2naSalit Jul 2020 #17
Good answer. nolabear Jul 2020 #24
Domestic Terrorists. Volaris Jul 2020 #21
Also good answer. nolabear Jul 2020 #25
Blackwater? pwb Jul 2020 #31
I suggest "Geheime Staatspolizei." TomSlick Jul 2020 #39
Trubagestapo Blecht Jul 2020 #40
Clever. TomSlick Jul 2020 #42
Brown shirts? Gestapo perhaps? Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #37
Wow. Is this really America anymore?!? FM123 Jul 2020 #3
State-sponsored disappearances. I suppose they will Ilsa Jul 2020 #4
Because if you bear arms against the government and you're NOT a right wing loon, Volaris Jul 2020 #22
They are heavily armed, I think. wnylib Jul 2020 #23
I remember a video posted of a protester being taken in an unmarked car - don't remember which state tulipsandroses Jul 2020 #5
That was what I was replying to. Portland OR nolabear Jul 2020 #14
Disturbing. k&r for visibility. n/t Laelth Jul 2020 #6
Taking directions from shanti Jul 2020 #7
This is horrifying! liberalmuse Jul 2020 #8
No agency or identifcation badges grabbing people off the street? Jim__ Jul 2020 #9
That's my thought. They have no jurisdiction that I can tell. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #12
Are they invoking some obscure provision of the so-called Patriot Act? Cirque du So-What Jul 2020 #10
No badges and no ID makes them fair game. Fight back. nt Progressive Jones Jul 2020 #11
I agree. This is an existential threat. Efilroft Sul Jul 2020 #15
Need to at least paintball those vehicles. Captain Zero Jul 2020 #28
Get license plate numbers. These are rented vehicles. nt Progressive Jones Jul 2020 #41
Practicing for 'disappearances'. icymist Jul 2020 #18
we are very close to there. and Trump doesn't really care about polls SiliconValley_Dem Jul 2020 #19
Eric Prince... sarchasm Jul 2020 #20
On loan from Russia with love? Maru Kitteh Jul 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Jul 2020 #27
Some of our embedded trolls claimed it was "street theater" RandiFan1290 Jul 2020 #29
Someone says this on twitter? Tipperary Jul 2020 #30
More specifically, Oregon Public Broadcasting said it on Twitter. To promote the article they WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #33
Thanks! Tipperary Jul 2020 #34
Why aren't the police handling this superpatriotman Jul 2020 #32
They're DHS! MineralMan Jul 2020 #35
Yep. The story has blown up overnight. nolabear Jul 2020 #36
Gonna be an "ask" about this when my Indivisible group gets together this weekend. calimary Jul 2020 #38

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. A hostile invading force
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 12:23 AM
Jul 2020

We haven't asked for federal troops, but Trump has imposed them on us anyway. Gov. Brown has stated publicly that Trump is using Portland to win votes in Iowa and Ohio. Trump isn't going to win Oregon, so invading Portland isn't going to cost him anything in this state, and he hopes it will win him votes elsewhere.

TomSlick

(11,127 posts)
39. I suggest "Geheime Staatspolizei."
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 01:45 PM
Jul 2020

The word "Troops" is properly used for Army soldiers. It is sometimes used to include all military service members. It does not include any secret police run by Barr.

Ilsa

(61,710 posts)
4. State-sponsored disappearances. I suppose they will
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:06 PM
Jul 2020

Keep them at a soccer or football stadium before they let the trumpers use them for target practice.

Who will be prosecuted for this?

Why shouldn't a protestor defend themselves with force when they are about to be kidnapped? Anyone can dress up like one of these goons.

Volaris

(10,278 posts)
22. Because if you bear arms against the government and you're NOT a right wing loon,
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 01:42 AM
Jul 2020

You're likley to be shot.

wnylib

(21,756 posts)
23. They are heavily armed, I think.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 01:44 AM
Jul 2020

It would be legitimate to fight back, but they would probably get beaten up or shot.

Unless the kidnapped persons had armed friends with them. Pepper spray maybe.

Wonder if there would be any way to follow the thugs and identify them. Or maybe get some good face shots of them to post online so people who recognize them could ID them. Out them to the public.

tulipsandroses

(5,131 posts)
5. I remember a video posted of a protester being taken in an unmarked car - don't remember which state
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:08 PM
Jul 2020

But I remember the other protesters sounding desperate and saying " where are you taking her and why is it this car unmarked"

nolabear

(42,002 posts)
14. That was what I was replying to. Portland OR
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 12:12 AM
Jul 2020

People were speculating it was street theater. I didn’t know myself. But apparently no. It’s actually happening.

Jim__

(14,093 posts)
9. No agency or identifcation badges grabbing people off the street?
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:54 PM
Jul 2020

Why don't local authorities arrest them? If they have no agency or identification who says it's the federal government?

Cirque du So-What

(26,026 posts)
10. Are they invoking some obscure provision of the so-called Patriot Act?
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:55 PM
Jul 2020

that suspends habeas corpus by calling protest terrorism?

icymist

(15,888 posts)
18. Practicing for 'disappearances'.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 01:14 AM
Jul 2020

Are we one step away from 'death squads'? They already put somebody in the hospital so these unidentified Federal 'officers' have total disregard for proper procedure of the law.

 

SiliconValley_Dem

(1,656 posts)
19. we are very close to there. and Trump doesn't really care about polls
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 01:18 AM
Jul 2020

because he and his ghouls are goimg to try to take the whole thing.

je is the antichrist, the great tribulation and Armageddon soon to follow

Response to nolabear (Original post)

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,504 posts)
33. More specifically, Oregon Public Broadcasting said it on Twitter. To promote the article they
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 08:49 AM
Jul 2020

produced about it. You can read it here: https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/

Here's an excerpt:

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14. Personal accounts and multiple videos posted online show the officers driving up to people, detaining individuals with no explanation of why they are being arrested, and driving off.

The tactic appears to be another escalation in federal force deployed on Portland city streets, as federal officials and President Donald Trump have said they plan to “quell” nightly protests outside the federal courthouse and Multnomah County Justice Center that have lasted for more than six weeks.

Federal officers have charged at least 13 people with crimes related to the protests so far, while others have been arrested and released, including Pettibone. They also left one demonstrator hospitalized with skull fractures after shooting him in the face with so-called “less lethal” munitions July 11.

(snip)

But interviews conducted by OPB show officers are also detaining people on Portland streets who aren’t near federal property, nor is it clear that all of the people being arrested have engaged in criminal activity. Demonstrators like O’Shea and Pettibone said they think they were targeted by federal officers for simply wearing black clothing in the area of the demonstration.


nolabear

(42,002 posts)
36. Yep. The story has blown up overnight.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 09:54 AM
Jul 2020

There are docs somewhere in the Twitter storm showing causes for their arrests and they pretty much are all “graffiti.”

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