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muriel_volestrangler

(101,400 posts)
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:43 AM Jul 2020

List your suggestions for the new NFL team name this season. The Washington Sexual Harassers

I was going for ones to disparage the anus in the White House:

Washington Stable Geniuses?
Washington Bleachdrinkers?
Washington Statues?
Washington Whiners?

But the whole company structure needs calling out, and rebuilding from scratch:

THE DANIEL SNYDER SEXUAL HARASSMENT INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

But most of all, Applegate said, they cried about the realization their dream job of working in the NFL came with what they characterized as relentless sexual harassment and verbal abuse that was ignored — and in some cases, condoned — by top team executives.

Applegate is one of 15 former female Redskins employees who told The Washington Post they were sexually harassed during their time at the club. The other 14 women spoke on the condition of anonymity citing a fear of litigation, as some signed nondisclosure agreements with the team that threaten legal retribution if they speak negatively about the club. The team declined a request from The Post to release former female employees from these agreements so they could speak on the record without fear of legal reprisal. This story involved interviews with more than 40 current and former employees and a review of text messages and internal company documents.

Team owner Daniel Snyder declined several requests for an interview. Over the past week, as The Post presented detailed allegations and findings to the club, three team employees accused of improper behavior abruptly departed, including Larry Michael, the club’s longtime radio voice, and Alex Santos, the team’s director of pro personnel.


And let’s be clear that this is the result of organizational defects that hang on Snyder 100% whether or not he was directly involved with the harassment:

The team’s human resources staff consists of one full-time staffer — who also performs administrative duties at team headquarters — responsible for more than 220 full-time employees, according to several former employees.

“There’s no HR,” said one former veteran female employee who left in 2019. “And there was never a reporting process, nor was one explained to new employees about how you should report something.”

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/07/the-daniel-snyder-sexual-harassment-industrial-complex

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/16/redskins-sexual-harassment-larry-michael-alex-santos/?arc404=true
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List your suggestions for the new NFL team name this season. The Washington Sexual Harassers (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 OP
Washington cilla4progress Jul 2020 #1
The Swamp Dwellers Champion Jack Jul 2020 #2
The Orange Skins LeftInTX Jul 2020 #3
That was my answer... lol Takket Jul 2020 #67
District Dynamo Hangingon Jul 2020 #4
Or just "The District", like "The Heat" for the Miami team. brush Jul 2020 #23
I like it. Sounds like a cool political thriller TV show coti Jul 2020 #43
It was a police drama and you're about 20 years too late ;) Revanchist Jul 2020 #69
Washington Gangsters? bluescribbler Jul 2020 #5
Washington Warriors SoonerPride Jul 2020 #6
I may not like the owner nor the legacy, but I respect the people of DC and its courageous mayor hlthe2b Jul 2020 #7
Ahhhh....Warriors is another indigenous reference that won't go over... brush Jul 2020 #9
IMO Bob Costas gets it. moondust Jul 2020 #17
Indigenous people should probably be consulted. Costas makes good points... brush Jul 2020 #18
I addressed this in my earlier response. They HAVE in many locales over many sports & HS hlthe2b Jul 2020 #22
I think more people are on board than you think. brush Jul 2020 #24
Both fans and Native Americans in the region of these teams have been surveyed in the past hlthe2b Jul 2020 #27
What about "Indians"? I'm a tribe fan. Is "tribe" even ok? brush Jul 2020 #30
You should see if Native Americans in your region have been surveyed on their feelings re: hlthe2b Jul 2020 #31
I think this is a good example of the consulting with first nations that you are looking for. StevieM Jul 2020 #50
That's a good model on how to do it. Thanks. brush Jul 2020 #52
It is not a derisive reference. Previous discussions with N. Americans have emphasized hlthe2b Jul 2020 #19
As long as native Americans are consulted. brush Jul 2020 #25
As I repeatedly told you, this is based on previous surveys of Native Americans. hlthe2b Jul 2020 #29
No one is admonishing you. And no need to get snippy. brush Jul 2020 #32
Glad to hear. Maybe it is time you might get involved in your area if "Indians" and "Tribe" reflect hlthe2b Jul 2020 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #37
I probably should've said "may not go over well" in my headline. brush Jul 2020 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author marie999 Jul 2020 #41
Oops! You would bring that up. brush Jul 2020 #42
To be serious, "Warriors" isn't just indigenous, by any means muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #39
You're right. See my post 38. brush Jul 2020 #40
Lots of Warriors who aren't Native Americans Jose Garcia Jul 2020 #53
Washington Wheels Brainfodder Jul 2020 #8
Not bad, has a good ring to it, rolls off the tongue. brush Jul 2020 #20
The birg wheels congregate in DC? nt csziggy Jul 2020 #66
The Washington Beer Drinkers and New Car Buyers lpbk2713 Jul 2020 #10
It's a darn shame that "Whips" would be related to punishing slaves Goodheart Jul 2020 #11
Washington Non-Partisans mfcorey1 Jul 2020 #12
Washington Statehoods maxrandb Jul 2020 #13
Win! lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #64
Deadskins NCjack Jul 2020 #14
Did you mean foreskins? Cartaphelius Jul 2020 #21
Washington Poltroons Kid Berwyn Jul 2020 #15
Washington Gaslighters Talitha Jul 2020 #16
Either Fishers or Otters jmowreader Jul 2020 #26
Washington Colonels....... lastlib Jul 2020 #28
Washington Foreskins. DUer Fake Noose's suggestion. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #33
Washington Bourgeoisie mikeargo Jul 2020 #35
Washington Closet Racists TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #36
Do they even play in Washington DC? SoCalDem Jul 2020 #44
Why would you equate all Washington fans MyNameGoesHere Jul 2020 #45
It's pretty clear I'm linking Trump and Washington muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #46
Yeah ok MyNameGoesHere Jul 2020 #47
I suppose that 'Bullets' isn't any better the second time around. sparky999 Jul 2020 #48
The Washington RiverHawks. In a bow to Potomac river hawks (the real kind). nt Blue_true Jul 2020 #49
Washington Red Wolves. (eom) StevieM Jul 2020 #51
The Washington Lobbyists bluewater Jul 2020 #54
The Washington Revolutionaries nolabear Jul 2020 #55
The Washington Thirty Nine Miles From Baltimore-ers. LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #56
The Washington Should Be a Staters frazzled Jul 2020 #57
The Washington Helluva Long Drive To the Yukon-ers. LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #58
The Washington Make Your Opponent Relinquish The Football-ers. LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #59
The Washington Football Players. LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #60
The Washington Powdered Wigs. LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #61
The Washington Nads. LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #62
Nad (n.) Measure defined as the distance between a driver's outstretched fingertips muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #65
The Washington It's Just a Prank Bro's. LuckyCharms Jul 2020 #63
Washington Red Tails JustBidenOurTime Jul 2020 #68
I've seen that Redtails suggestion and love the idea DesertRat Jul 2020 #70
Plutocrats jalan48 Jul 2020 #71

hlthe2b

(102,468 posts)
7. I may not like the owner nor the legacy, but I respect the people of DC and its courageous mayor
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jul 2020

So, I will not buy into the derision. We aren't naming it for Trump nor his ilk.

I think they should pick a name that honors the best or our capitol city, its people, its best leaders and what the sport SHOULD represent.

Apparently Washinton 'Warriors' came out on top in some fan polls. I'd be fine with that or many of the other suggestions.

brush

(53,949 posts)
9. Ahhhh....Warriors is another indigenous reference that won't go over...
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 01:14 PM
Jul 2020

well with native Americans. There are already calls for the Golden State Warriors to change their name, and the Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, and even the Cleveland Indians.

Probably best to stay away from any indigenous themes.

moondust

(20,018 posts)
17. IMO Bob Costas gets it.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 01:54 PM
Jul 2020

Saw him on CNN last night. He noted there's a difference between honorable names like Warriors, Braves, and Chiefs vs. "pejorative"/demeaning names like Redskins and perhaps Indians. I tend to agree with him. After all, in the U.S. there are countless indigenous names of cities, counties, states (Delaware, Iowa, etc.), streets, etc. It's a nuanced topic. If possible I would let Native Americans vote on what's okay with them and what's not.

brush

(53,949 posts)
18. Indigenous people should probably be consulted. Costas makes good points...
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:10 PM
Jul 2020

but maybe it's time white people listen, just as they should also be listening to black people in the current racial BLM protests.

As for "Warriors", as I said, there are calls for that to be changed. It's certainly seems inoffensive but I'm not a native American. I'm am an "Indians" fan however and to me, that seems the least pejorative of all of them, but I would confer with native Americans on that as well as on "Warriors". The "Chiefs", IMO, have least expensive rebranding opportunity if they take my suggestion. as rebranding can get costly, what with paying branding consultants and a graphic design firm to come up with a new name and logo to go on helmets, workout gear, uniforms, letterheads, all team communications, web sites, etc. The Chiefs could save a lot of money by just going with the Kansas City Arrowheads as their current logo is an arrowhead with the letters KC on it.

hlthe2b

(102,468 posts)
22. I addressed this in my earlier response. They HAVE in many locales over many sports & HS
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:27 PM
Jul 2020

names/teams and especially for the renaming of high schools (something I've worked on in the past)

Maybe it is because I live in the West. Some seem to think this is a novel issue that has never been brought up with N. Americans. We aren't all clueless bigots out here. Many, (but not all) areas of the West have moved well past the ugly racist aspects of the last two centuries and are eager to try to make amends with those who suffered at the hands of our ancestors.

brush

(53,949 posts)
24. I think more people are on board than you think.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:36 PM
Jul 2020

What are your ideas for the teams in question—Chiefs, Warriors, Indians, Braves, the Washington team, the Blackhawks—which might stay, not being pejorative, and which must change and some suggestions pls.

Whatever discussions being held by the teams probably should include native American representatives if they want to retain the indigenous themed names, as a courtesy to make sure it's not offensive to them.

hlthe2b

(102,468 posts)
27. Both fans and Native Americans in the region of these teams have been surveyed in the past
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:47 PM
Jul 2020

I am working right now and do not have time to research this, but you likely can find some of it via google. I would go with the combined consensus results.

When the Colorado Rockies baseball franchise was created, I was one of those surveyed and the public overwhelmingly chose a name that reflected the area and the grandeur without reflecting on a person or persons. Thus, that name joined the Denver Broncos, Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche teams in that respect. That said, I have no problem with teams that wish to honor the indigenous people of the region IF current descendants agree. It really isn't difficult to realize why "warrior" or "braves" might be acceptable while "redskin" would clearly not be. Perhaps we start there.

brush

(53,949 posts)
30. What about "Indians"? I'm a tribe fan. Is "tribe" even ok?
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jul 2020

It's a critical time in the nation now and these are sensitive matters, important to get right.

hlthe2b

(102,468 posts)
31. You should see if Native Americans in your region have been surveyed on their feelings re:
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jul 2020

I'm not from Cleveland and I'm not about to speak for those in other regions without knowing they've been asked. But, I'll bet someone has asked and the answers are out there. If not, perhaps you should inquire whether your local newspaper or tv reporters might do a piece on and report on findings.

hlthe2b

(102,468 posts)
19. It is not a derisive reference. Previous discussions with N. Americans have emphasized
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jul 2020

that they were not opposed to positive references. Just the derogatory, derisive, bigotted nicknames, logos, and accompanying stereotypical jeers/cheers of "fans" base. Similar discussions have gone on, especially throughout the West, in terms of schools named for tribes or associations.

That is why the Braves may possibly remain, though their horrific logo and the ugly war chants/chopping cheers and mascot will certainly not. Ditto the Chiefs.

hlthe2b

(102,468 posts)
29. As I repeatedly told you, this is based on previous surveys of Native Americans.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:50 PM
Jul 2020

I have actually worked on the issue with members of the Cheyenne and Arapahoe tribes of Colorado and Wyoming in renaming high schools, so I don't need the admonishment.

brush

(53,949 posts)
32. No one is admonishing you. And no need to get snippy.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jul 2020

It's a critical time in the nation. Good that you've worked on the matter and can inform those of us who haven't what has been done before.

hlthe2b

(102,468 posts)
34. Glad to hear. Maybe it is time you might get involved in your area if "Indians" and "Tribe" reflect
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jul 2020

teams you associate with.

My own personal feeling is that "Indians" is a historical miscommunication approaching a "slur", given indigenous Americans had nada to do with India or Central Asian people. But, I can't say whether many contemporary Native Americans feel that way.

Response to brush (Reply #9)

brush

(53,949 posts)
38. I probably should've said "may not go over well" in my headline.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 03:03 PM
Jul 2020

"Warriors" doesn't seem pejorative, nor does "Indians" to me but it's probably best to consult with native American groups on both.

Response to brush (Reply #38)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,400 posts)
39. To be serious, "Warriors" isn't just indigenous, by any means
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 03:06 PM
Jul 2020

It's used in English to refer to European fighters of all sorts, as well as those from other parts of the world. In Britain, you can find a succession of navy ships called "HMS Warrior", or the Wigan Warriors rugby league team. There's no sign they were thinking of Native Americans in either case.

Given the history of the previous team name, it'd be a good idea to listen to Native Americans about 'warriors', but there's a respectful case that it really is a neutral term.

brush

(53,949 posts)
20. Not bad, has a good ring to it, rolls off the tongue.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:25 PM
Jul 2020

But how does it relate to the DC area? Sports franchise names usually take something from city/location of where the team is based, or was originally based—the Minneapolis Lakers (now Los Angeles Laker of course), New Orleans Jazz (now the Utah Jazz), Dallas Cowboys, and the Phoenix Suns.

Goodheart

(5,349 posts)
11. It's a darn shame that "Whips" would be related to punishing slaves
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 01:22 PM
Jul 2020

but Washington Whips, with its congressional allusion, would be a catchy name.

I'd go with Washington Americans.

jmowreader

(50,571 posts)
26. Either Fishers or Otters
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jul 2020

You know what a river otter is. A fisher is a cat-sized weasel that eats what its name suggests. Both of them are native to the DC area.

It honors the area. It doesn’t malign anyone. And they could build a really cute mascot suit the kids would love.

lastlib

(23,352 posts)
28. Washington Colonels.......
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:47 PM
Jul 2020

Washington Generals is taken, but Colonels has a fine military fighting connotation, mellifluous ring. And it's inoffensive to all but the most devoted peaceniks, as far as I can see.....

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
44. Do they even play in Washington DC?
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 03:18 PM
Jul 2020

I thought I heard that they played in Fairfax VA..Why not the Viginia Confederates

just googled. they play in Maryland..soooooo

Maryland Crabs

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
45. Why would you equate all Washington fans
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 03:19 PM
Jul 2020

As MAGATS? You ever been to DC? Met the people that actually live there? Your post is insulting.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,400 posts)
46. It's pretty clear I'm linking Trump and Washington
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jul 2020

because the words refer to him. I think they all work as good insults of him, so yes, it's insulting, but he deserves it.

 

sparky999

(6 posts)
48. I suppose that 'Bullets' isn't any better the second time around.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 04:42 PM
Jul 2020

Are they the only city whose had to change more than one mascot?

nolabear

(42,001 posts)
55. The Washington Revolutionaries
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 11:00 AM
Jul 2020

Long, but everybody could claim it, depending on which revolution you’re talking about.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,400 posts)
65. Nad (n.) Measure defined as the distance between a driver's outstretched fingertips
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 11:37 AM
Jul 2020

and the ticket machine in an automatic car-park. 1 nad = 18.4 cm.

http://tmoliff.blogspot.com/2012/01/nad-n.html

Definition courtesy of Douglas Adams and/or John Lloyd (producer of Blackadder and more).

 

JustBidenOurTime

(27 posts)
68. Washington Red Tails
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 03:33 PM
Jul 2020




When the pilots of the 332nd Fighter Group painted the tails of their P-47s red, the nickname "Red Tails" was coined. The red markings that distinguished the Tuskegee Airmen included red bands on the noses of P-51s as well as a red rudder; the P-51B and D Mustangs flew with similar color schemes, with red propeller spinners, yellow wing bands and all-red tail surfaces.

The Tuskegee Airmen were the first African-American military aviators in the United States Armed Forces. During World War II, black Americans in many U.S. states were still subject to the Jim Crow laws[N 1] and the American military was racially segregated, as was much of the federal government. The Tuskegee Airmen were subjected to discrimination, both within and outside the army. - Wikipedia: Tuskegee Airmen





DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
70. I've seen that Redtails suggestion and love the idea
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:43 PM
Jul 2020

I hope that's the one they choose! Welcome to DU.

Here's another proposed logo:

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