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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsList your suggestions for the new NFL team name this season. The Washington Sexual Harassers
I was going for ones to disparage the anus in the White House:
Washington Stable Geniuses?
Washington Bleachdrinkers?
Washington Statues?
Washington Whiners?
But the whole company structure needs calling out, and rebuilding from scratch:
But most of all, Applegate said, they cried about the realization their dream job of working in the NFL came with what they characterized as relentless sexual harassment and verbal abuse that was ignored and in some cases, condoned by top team executives.
Applegate is one of 15 former female Redskins employees who told The Washington Post they were sexually harassed during their time at the club. The other 14 women spoke on the condition of anonymity citing a fear of litigation, as some signed nondisclosure agreements with the team that threaten legal retribution if they speak negatively about the club. The team declined a request from The Post to release former female employees from these agreements so they could speak on the record without fear of legal reprisal. This story involved interviews with more than 40 current and former employees and a review of text messages and internal company documents.
Team owner Daniel Snyder declined several requests for an interview. Over the past week, as The Post presented detailed allegations and findings to the club, three team employees accused of improper behavior abruptly departed, including Larry Michael, the clubs longtime radio voice, and Alex Santos, the teams director of pro personnel.
And lets be clear that this is the result of organizational defects that hang on Snyder 100% whether or not he was directly involved with the harassment:
The teams human resources staff consists of one full-time staffer who also performs administrative duties at team headquarters responsible for more than 220 full-time employees, according to several former employees.
Theres no HR, said one former veteran female employee who left in 2019. And there was never a reporting process, nor was one explained to new employees about how you should report something.
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/07/the-daniel-snyder-sexual-harassment-industrial-complex
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/07/16/redskins-sexual-harassment-larry-michael-alex-santos/?arc404=true
cilla4progress
(24,790 posts)Citizens.
Voters.
Progressives? 😀
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)LeftInTX
(25,679 posts)Takket
(21,657 posts)Hangingon
(3,071 posts)A hint of Marxism. Perfect for a socialist sports collective.
brush
(53,949 posts)coti
(4,612 posts)Revanchist
(1,375 posts)bluescribbler
(2,124 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Alliteration is always solid.
hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)So, I will not buy into the derision. We aren't naming it for Trump nor his ilk.
I think they should pick a name that honors the best or our capitol city, its people, its best leaders and what the sport SHOULD represent.
Apparently Washinton 'Warriors' came out on top in some fan polls. I'd be fine with that or many of the other suggestions.
brush
(53,949 posts)well with native Americans. There are already calls for the Golden State Warriors to change their name, and the Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, and even the Cleveland Indians.
Probably best to stay away from any indigenous themes.
moondust
(20,018 posts)Saw him on CNN last night. He noted there's a difference between honorable names like Warriors, Braves, and Chiefs vs. "pejorative"/demeaning names like Redskins and perhaps Indians. I tend to agree with him. After all, in the U.S. there are countless indigenous names of cities, counties, states (Delaware, Iowa, etc.), streets, etc. It's a nuanced topic. If possible I would let Native Americans vote on what's okay with them and what's not.
brush
(53,949 posts)but maybe it's time white people listen, just as they should also be listening to black people in the current racial BLM protests.
As for "Warriors", as I said, there are calls for that to be changed. It's certainly seems inoffensive but I'm not a native American. I'm am an "Indians" fan however and to me, that seems the least pejorative of all of them, but I would confer with native Americans on that as well as on "Warriors". The "Chiefs", IMO, have least expensive rebranding opportunity if they take my suggestion. as rebranding can get costly, what with paying branding consultants and a graphic design firm to come up with a new name and logo to go on helmets, workout gear, uniforms, letterheads, all team communications, web sites, etc. The Chiefs could save a lot of money by just going with the Kansas City Arrowheads as their current logo is an arrowhead with the letters KC on it.
hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)names/teams and especially for the renaming of high schools (something I've worked on in the past)
Maybe it is because I live in the West. Some seem to think this is a novel issue that has never been brought up with N. Americans. We aren't all clueless bigots out here. Many, (but not all) areas of the West have moved well past the ugly racist aspects of the last two centuries and are eager to try to make amends with those who suffered at the hands of our ancestors.
brush
(53,949 posts)What are your ideas for the teams in questionChiefs, Warriors, Indians, Braves, the Washington team, the Blackhawkswhich might stay, not being pejorative, and which must change and some suggestions pls.
Whatever discussions being held by the teams probably should include native American representatives if they want to retain the indigenous themed names, as a courtesy to make sure it's not offensive to them.
hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)I am working right now and do not have time to research this, but you likely can find some of it via google. I would go with the combined consensus results.
When the Colorado Rockies baseball franchise was created, I was one of those surveyed and the public overwhelmingly chose a name that reflected the area and the grandeur without reflecting on a person or persons. Thus, that name joined the Denver Broncos, Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche teams in that respect. That said, I have no problem with teams that wish to honor the indigenous people of the region IF current descendants agree. It really isn't difficult to realize why "warrior" or "braves" might be acceptable while "redskin" would clearly not be. Perhaps we start there.
brush
(53,949 posts)It's a critical time in the nation now and these are sensitive matters, important to get right.
hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)I'm not from Cleveland and I'm not about to speak for those in other regions without knowing they've been asked. But, I'll bet someone has asked and the answers are out there. If not, perhaps you should inquire whether your local newspaper or tv reporters might do a piece on and report on findings.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)brush
(53,949 posts)hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)that they were not opposed to positive references. Just the derogatory, derisive, bigotted nicknames, logos, and accompanying stereotypical jeers/cheers of "fans" base. Similar discussions have gone on, especially throughout the West, in terms of schools named for tribes or associations.
That is why the Braves may possibly remain, though their horrific logo and the ugly war chants/chopping cheers and mascot will certainly not. Ditto the Chiefs.
brush
(53,949 posts)hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)I have actually worked on the issue with members of the Cheyenne and Arapahoe tribes of Colorado and Wyoming in renaming high schools, so I don't need the admonishment.
brush
(53,949 posts)It's a critical time in the nation. Good that you've worked on the matter and can inform those of us who haven't what has been done before.
hlthe2b
(102,468 posts)teams you associate with.
My own personal feeling is that "Indians" is a historical miscommunication approaching a "slur", given indigenous Americans had nada to do with India or Central Asian people. But, I can't say whether many contemporary Native Americans feel that way.
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brush
(53,949 posts)"Warriors" doesn't seem pejorative, nor does "Indians" to me but it's probably best to consult with native American groups on both.
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brush
(53,949 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,400 posts)It's used in English to refer to European fighters of all sorts, as well as those from other parts of the world. In Britain, you can find a succession of navy ships called "HMS Warrior", or the Wigan Warriors rugby league team. There's no sign they were thinking of Native Americans in either case.
Given the history of the previous team name, it'd be a good idea to listen to Native Americans about 'warriors', but there's a respectful case that it really is a neutral term.
brush
(53,949 posts)Jose Garcia
(2,610 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Safe and have a contest for the logo.
brush
(53,949 posts)But how does it relate to the DC area? Sports franchise names usually take something from city/location of where the team is based, or was originally basedthe Minneapolis Lakers (now Los Angeles Laker of course), New Orleans Jazz (now the Utah Jazz), Dallas Cowboys, and the Phoenix Suns.
csziggy
(34,139 posts)lpbk2713
(42,770 posts)That should probably help their advertising revenue some.
Goodheart
(5,349 posts)but Washington Whips, with its congressional allusion, would be a catchy name.
I'd go with Washington Americans.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)maxrandb
(15,372 posts)Washington Unrepresented Taxpayers
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)Cartaphelius
(868 posts)Kid Berwyn
(15,018 posts)Washington Criminals also would work
Talitha
(6,634 posts)(posted in jest - they actually deserve a good name)
jmowreader
(50,571 posts)You know what a river otter is. A fisher is a cat-sized weasel that eats what its name suggests. Both of them are native to the DC area.
It honors the area. It doesnt malign anyone. And they could build a really cute mascot suit the kids would love.
lastlib
(23,352 posts)Washington Generals is taken, but Colonels has a fine military fighting connotation, mellifluous ring. And it's inoffensive to all but the most devoted peaceniks, as far as I can see.....
Nevilledog
(51,241 posts)Merchandising would be awesome!
mikeargo
(675 posts)or Washington Rappers
TheBlackAdder
(28,237 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)I thought I heard that they played in Fairfax VA..Why not the Viginia Confederates
just googled. they play in Maryland..soooooo
Maryland Crabs
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)As MAGATS? You ever been to DC? Met the people that actually live there? Your post is insulting.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,400 posts)because the words refer to him. I think they all work as good insults of him, so yes, it's insulting, but he deserves it.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)sparky999
(6 posts)Are they the only city whose had to change more than one mascot?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)bluewater
(5,376 posts)nolabear
(42,001 posts)Long, but everybody could claim it, depending on which revolution youre talking about.
LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,400 posts)and the ticket machine in an automatic car-park. 1 nad = 18.4 cm.
http://tmoliff.blogspot.com/2012/01/nad-n.html
Definition courtesy of Douglas Adams and/or John Lloyd (producer of Blackadder and more).
LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)JustBidenOurTime
(27 posts)When the pilots of the 332nd Fighter Group painted the tails of their P-47s red, the nickname "Red Tails" was coined. The red markings that distinguished the Tuskegee Airmen included red bands on the noses of P-51s as well as a red rudder; the P-51B and D Mustangs flew with similar color schemes, with red propeller spinners, yellow wing bands and all-red tail surfaces.
The Tuskegee Airmen were the first African-American military aviators in the United States Armed Forces. During World War II, black Americans in many U.S. states were still subject to the Jim Crow laws[N 1] and the American military was racially segregated, as was much of the federal government. The Tuskegee Airmen were subjected to discrimination, both within and outside the army. - Wikipedia: Tuskegee Airmen
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I hope that's the one they choose! Welcome to DU.
Here's another proposed logo: