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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShould tRump be impeached again for obstruction??
Asha Rangappa, an attorney from Yale and CNN commentator said,
"Worth noting that Stones admission that he could have incriminated Trump would make Trumps pardon an act of obstruction, even under Barrs legal view Barr (in his dumb long 2018 memo) acknowledged that if POTUS were attempting to conceal evidence, it would be obstruction.
For the same reason is also *no doubt* that Trumps firing of Comey was clearly obstruction: He was trying to prevent evidence incriminating him from being uncovered, and we know that because Stone has admitted that he had such evidence to give and Trump knew it."
(Asha Rangappa is an American lawyer. She is a senior lecturer at Yale Universitys Jackson Institute for Global Affairs and a commentator on CNN. She was previously an Associate Dean at Yale Law School)
Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) Tweeted:
Worth noting that Stones admission that he could have incriminated Trump would make Trumps pardon an act of obstruction, even under Barrs legal view Barr (in his dumb long 2018 memo) acknowledged that if POTUS were attempting to conceal evidence, it would be obstruction
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lastlib
(23,166 posts)Who'd'a thunk??
I Asha!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,612 posts)The Senate still won't convict him, and anyhow Congress will be in recess for all of August. It just isn't going to happen.
denbot
(9,898 posts)I choose the latter.
W T F
(1,146 posts)Not only should they impeach Trump but also Barr
canetoad
(17,136 posts)Only president to be impeached twice?
If the only point of impeachment is to remove him, yes, you have a point. It won't happen. But it pressures the republican senate and his supporters to defend a commutation of a co-conspirator.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)former9thward
(31,947 posts)The House sent over an 11 count impeachment. After a trial the Senate only voted on three of them. They failed to convict on any of the three.
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Mme. Defarge
(8,014 posts)And with all dispatch.
larwdem
(758 posts)It will be are ace in the hole if trump somehow, steals the election and we take back the Senate.
TheBlackAdder
(28,168 posts)tblue37
(65,227 posts)RANDYWILDMAN
(2,664 posts)This could mess up his magnificent handling of the Coronavirus.
renate
(13,776 posts)This POS redirects our attention every 10 minutes with some new piece of fuckeriness that he gets to choose... take the choosing power away from him and impeach his pathetic, corrupt ass AGAIN just before the election. Why on earth not? Being impeached twice is NOT A CUTE LOOK. And for the GOP Senate to be forced to forgive him again in plain sight... please don't throw me in that briar patch.
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)who sits and does NOTHING but tweet while tens of thousands of Americans are getting infected and/or dying every single day!
Does anyone think that if the situation were reversed that republicans would hesitate to impeach once, twice, or even 3 times if the situation called for it?!
We cannot afford to wait until January! How many of our loved ones will have died by then?? No! Do everything possible to get that sob out now! 🍷
cstanleytech
(26,247 posts)on Trump or face new charges.
CountMyVote4Reality
(209 posts)It must be carefully timed. There is no time like now.
Hekate
(90,564 posts)It was the Senate who stopped it before, and theyd do it again. But the main thing is, that afaik there is no time for the House to gear up for a second impeachment.
canetoad
(17,136 posts)But maybe I'm asking too much of the good congress people in the House. I think a second impeachment will place him in the record books and make the repubs scratch around for a defence. It would be good if this happened before the mythical Labor day, ditch trump if he hasn't got it together.
I'm kinda enjoying the slow motion crash and burn.
BigmanPigman
(51,569 posts)"Corrupt" is using the levers of government for personal benefit. That's what Trump was impeached for. Commuting the sentence of a co-conspirator (essentially) in exchange for that person's silence is a corrupt quid-pro-quo and corrupt use of power.
The remedy is impeachment and removal. Or indictments. Test the law for god sakes. The Democrats need to start playing hardball. It is their duty to protect our constitutional government. These are crimes happening in front of us!!! We cannot do something "later".
canetoad
(17,136 posts)This is such blatant corruption that the House must take it up.
They knew in advance what the Senate response would be {after the first impeachment]*; we all did. They did their duty nevertheless.
Now his corruption must be called out again and the Repubs made to defend him again.
*Edit to add....
Brother Mythos
(1,442 posts)every Democrat with a public forum should state these facts everyday, while also pointing out that the Republican Senate knew Turd was guilty the first time, but refused to remove him from office.
Xolodno
(6,384 posts)Impeachment during the hype of an election will be a gift for him. It won't help us...and shit, may even hurt us.
With that said, just keep collecting facts, evidence, etc. in the background. If he suddenly managed to get a second term, we are going to need all of that to shiv him where it hurts. His second term will be preoccupied for almost two years on investigations, etc. And by then, even his taxes will be out. ...not that I think there is anything important in them....it will just state the fact that he's not a billionaire which will be a massive hit on his ego.
JI7
(89,241 posts)that's the ONLY way we will get rid of this shit.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)Democrats should focus on winning the whole shebang in November. If we can make Trump a civilian again, his ass is going to be indicted as soon as he gets off the plane . . . unless, of course, he's getting off in Moscow.
EqualityNow
(32 posts)On a personal level, I'd love to see it happen. Good to impeach fascists, and would love to see him having the distinction of being the first president to ever be twice impeached.
I also realize that a 2nd impeachment isn't going to go any further than the first with this Senate.
3rd, I realize that any proceeding will have an impact on the election this year. I trust Rep. Pelosi to make the hard decision, based on all the information she, and our party have available that gives us the best chances we can get. I trust that if a second impeachment will help us, she will make it happen. If it has more chance of hurting our chances, she won't. There's certainly more than enough evidence out there to do 2nd, 3rd, and probably even a 4th impeachment of this monster at this point if it benefits the country, people, and party to go forth with it.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)How quickly could Nancy get articles of impeachment to the Senate? Could they be fast tracked? McConnell wanted to fast track a vote to acquit. Could he fast track a vote to convict? My thought is that for this to work it would have to move quickly. I know the impeachment rules are not meant for that...But what if there was an emergency? What if acting deliberately would put the country in harm's way? While there is no precedent for this, I think the times call for unprecedented action.
It only works if you had the guaranteed votes in the Senate. Having all 100 votes to convict would be ideal. But there are some real bozos who won't go for it.
BigmanPigman
(51,569 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)If not, even though it is justified, I don't think we would have adequate time to execute.
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)W T F
(1,146 posts)Both Trump and Barr. The Constitution explicitly prohibits presidential pardons in cases of impeachment. The more impeachments, the better.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)the blowback worries are quite real. Better to get out the fucking Vote for November! After that, we put the motherfucker in jail and throw away the key.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)There's no point. We know how it will end and we won't gain anything with it.
Instead, Biden just need to take a page out of Trumps book. Tell everyone that he will instruct the AG to investigate Trump for this along with every other potential crime related to elections and the Russia investigation.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)Bury him until he cannot move and make sure that his life is a living Hell wherever he goes.