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Barak Obama | |
6 (40%) |
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FDR | |
8 (53%) |
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JFK | |
1 (7%) |
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Donald Trump | |
0 (0%) |
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Ronald Reagan | |
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JonLP24
(29,322 posts)leftieNanner
(15,190 posts)And let the Native American tribe have it back.
spooky3
(34,517 posts)CrispyQ
(36,552 posts)It's a blight on the land in multiple ways.
RT Atlanta
(2,517 posts)Thanks to the guidance and listening to our Native sisters and brothers, especially the Lakota.
dchill
(38,594 posts)Hire some really good photographers, go out and record everything-- hand the photos and footage over to the Smithsonian archivists, and then ask the tribe that owns the land what they want us to do next.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)csziggy
(34,139 posts)lame54
(35,343 posts)Sounds very Talibanish
leftieNanner
(15,190 posts)I wish we hadn't done it in the first place.
genxlib
(5,547 posts)Do you think this is true of Stone Mountain in Georgia?
More controversial due to subject matter
Same controversy of desecrating natural beauty
Less controversial due to not be Native American land
Honest question.
I agree that I would not scrub Rushmore but would like to find a way to make it right with the NA community.
However, I would like to see Stone Mountain gone.
lame54
(35,343 posts)I have never seen it
I don't think it is world famous like Rushmore
I don't have an opinion on that at this point
genxlib
(5,547 posts)I thought it was neat because I didn't know any better.
There is a pretty good article about it up at Slate right now. The Taliban comparison comes up a lot in the comments.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/stone-mountain-georgia-confederacy-history.html
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The ideology of those sects they twist no idolatry to mean prevent idolatry.
Saudi Arabia Bulldozes Over Its Heritage
Though the Saudi rulers have a long history of destroying historical sites, activists say the pace and range of destruction has recently increased. A few months ago, the house of Hamza, the Prophet Muhammads uncle, was flattened to make way for a Meccan hotel, according to Irfan Al Alawi, executive director of the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation. There have even been rumored threats to Muhammads tomb in Medina and his birthplace in Mecca.
A 61-page report, published recently in Saudi Arabias Journal of the Royal Presidency, suggested separating the Prophets tomb from Medinas mosque, a task that would amount to its destruction, Alawi says. You cant move it without destroying it. Moreover, he alleges, plans for a new palace for King Abdullah threaten the library atop the site traditionally identified as the birthplace of Muhammad. Even now, signs in four languages warn visitors that there is no proof that the Prophet Muhammad was born there, so it is forbidden to make this place specific for praying, supplicating or get [sic] blessing.
Wahhabism, the prevailing Saudi strain of Islam, frowns on visits to shrines, tombs or religio-historical sites, on grounds that they might lead to Islams gravest sin: worshipping anyone other than God. In recent years, the twin forks of Wahhabi doctrine and urban development have speared most physical reminders of Islamic history in the heart of Mecca. The house of the Prophets first wife, Khadijah has made way for public toilets. A Hilton hotel stands on the site of the house of Islams first caliph, Abu Bakr. Famously, the Kaaba now stands in the shade of one of the worlds tallest buildings, the Mecca Royal Clock Tower, part of a complex built by the Bin Laden Group, boasting a 5-story shopping mall, luxury hotels and a parking garage.
Saudi officials did not respond to interview requests, but in the past, they have said that the expansion project is necessary to cater to the ever-growing number of pilgrims to Saudi Arabia, a number forecast to reach 17 million by 2025. When its done, the expansion of the mataf, the area where the faithful circumambulate around the Kaaba, will treble its capacity, to 150,000 people; the Great Mosque will be able to hold 2.5 million.
https://time.com/3584585/saudi-arabia-bulldozes-over-its-heritage/
I could explain more in detail but it isn't worth it. Apples & Oranges.
lame54
(35,343 posts)Mt. Rushmore is the only reason people go up there
It's not even populated enough to build a Trader Joe's
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I would just leave it up to local tribe.
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)in this country.
And there are plenty of people there, people who couldn't care less about Mt. Rushmore - or Trader Joe's.
n/t
jeffreyi
(1,945 posts)txwhitedove
(3,933 posts)Mossfern
(2,598 posts)Correct answer.
GeorgeGist
(25,326 posts)Voltaire2
(13,244 posts)PaulRevere08
(449 posts)we already have.
diddlysquat
(1,156 posts)Return it to the native Americans.
llmart
(15,565 posts)I don't like bespoiling any land.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Mount Rushmore is as much a monument to the broken treaties and general fuckery of the United States toward Native Americans as it is to "great presidents". (Ask the Lakota how they feel about it.)
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,947 posts)that the remaining areas on the mountain are too unstable for another carving. Anyhow the Six Grandfathers belongs to the Oglala Lakota Nation and they should decide what, if anything, is to be done with it.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)I don't think much of Mt. Rushmore, but I voted for FDR, in the spirit of the post.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,398 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,515 posts)Greywing
(1,124 posts)dflprincess
(28,091 posts)Though he probably wouldn't approve.
MyOwnPeace
(16,949 posts)Quite amazing!
https://crazyhorsememorial.org/
dflprincess
(28,091 posts)Some like it, some do not.
As Crazy Horse spent his life trying to protect his people many do not think he would approve of the sculpture being carved into sacred land. Also, he never allowed his picture to be taken so no one knows what he looked like and so no one knows who is being carved into the mountain.
There are Lakota elders who think Crazy Horse's spirit will not let the monument be finished and, given that it was started in 1948 and is no where near complete, they may be right.
MyOwnPeace
(16,949 posts)This, like so many other things these days, certainly can take on many different concerns and ranges of thought.
Or, as you said, "some like it, some do not."
Again, thanks!
niyad
(113,774 posts)And could we spell Pres. Obama,s name correctly?
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)"And could we spell Pres. Obama,s (Obama's) name correctly?"
Probably an innocent mistake. I read the latest threads several times a day and I have to wonder, does anyone use the preview feature before they post? I preview every one of mine because a glaring error in the preview is easily overlooked in the post. I just previewed this one.
niyad
(113,774 posts)which does some very odd things.
quickesst
(6,283 posts)... with the tablet I use because I use speech to text for everything. It can come up with some pretty weird crap, but I do like the simplicity of the tablet.
Siwsan
(26,315 posts)The desecration of that sacred mountain needs to stop.
cayugafalls
(5,652 posts)It belongs to the Oglala Lakota Souix based on the treaty of 1868.
We need to honor that treaty and let them decide what happens to the mountain.
Budi
(15,325 posts)They already tried that but couldn't do it because of the unstable ground.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Barring that, we should erase the white leaders and replace them with native Americans and persons of color.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I wouldn't take it down but I wouldn't do any upkeep either. Eventually it'll look like a rock again. It can never look like it originally looked.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)The Wizard
(12,554 posts)leftieNanner
(15,190 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Dynamite it and let nature take over.
Double that for fucking Stone Mountain.
niyad
(113,774 posts)Blow it up than we had to desecrate it in the first place.
Caliman73
(11,760 posts)That land belongs to the Lakota. We broke several treaties to steal it when gold was discovered. It needs to be returned and allow the Lakota to decide what to do with Rushmore.
I don't need to see statues and faces carved into a mountain to understand the history of my country, to admire the ideals, and acknowledge the problems.
bdamomma
(63,955 posts)nt
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)A mountain should never again be desecrated like that.
Nature knows the best way to make mountains.
Aristus
(66,509 posts)Put in your time, and get your mug carved in rock.
Hell no.
More and more, I'm coming to see the sculpture as a desecration of sacred land.
Since there's no way to undo it, I will accept it as a monumental, and not entirely appropriate, tribute to some iconic American statesmen. But there should be no more faces carved on the mountain. Even Barack Obama, whom I admire beyond the power of words to describe.
Tom Traubert
(117 posts)Its an abomination. It should be removed, restored to as close of its natural state as possible, and returned to the Lakota Sioux.
niyad
(113,774 posts)its natural state? Have you read the comments here?
Tom Traubert
(117 posts)Hence, I stated that the rock face should be restored to as close to its natural state as possible. In my time on DU, Ive noticed that people really to argue about petty nonsense and things of which they no nothing about. Why is that?
niyad
(113,774 posts)Interesting that you would say we argue about things we know nothing about. On what do you base that assessment?
Tom Traubert
(117 posts)If the statues were to be removed, they would have to be blasted, and the scree would then have to be removed somehow? I think you get my point.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)First Speaker
(4,858 posts)Jersey Devil
(9,879 posts)Just read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee again, first read it in the 70s. What our government did to native Americans was disgusting.
hunter
(38,340 posts)What will this monument look like a million years from now?
Rock.
misanthrope
(7,435 posts)Leave it alone already and stop defacing it.