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underpants

(182,624 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 01:43 PM Jul 2020

"Redskins" NFL name change is going to happen. Two leading contenders are.....

CBS Sports says “Warriors” is the lead contender. Fox News has former player and radio guy Doc Walker supporting it.

“The Warriors. It's so easy,” Walker said. “All you have to do is put the arrow back on the helmet. You don't have to change anything else. Warriors on the warpath, fight for old D.C. It's that simple.”

BUT

ESPN’s Adam Schefter says “The Redtails” is most likely and is supported by current starting QB Dwayne Haskins.
The Redtails was the nickname for the Tuskegee Airmen. Three of the first five accepted into the program were from DC.





CBS
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/washington-redskins-name-change-warriors-leading-contender-for-new-name-ahead-of-2020-per-report/

Fox
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ex-redskins-player-simple-solution-name-change

ESPN
Can’t find the link now.

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"Redskins" NFL name change is going to happen. Two leading contenders are..... (Original Post) underpants Jul 2020 OP
The Karens Kaleva Jul 2020 #1
I wouldn't. Aristus Jul 2020 #2
The mascot would be a white woman with a cellphone in her hand. Quemado Jul 2020 #11
Gotta admit, that's a fearsome image gratuitous Jul 2020 #17
.. roamer65 Jul 2020 #65
This one. 'Redtails' a most honorable name. Budi Jul 2020 #3
Agreed GreenPartyVoter Jul 2020 #21
The Warriors is a cool name but already sort of taken by Golden State. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #4
Lots of sports names overlap. I like Warriors! OrlandoDem2 Jul 2020 #12
Not A Barrier, I'd Think ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #13
I think Snyder owns it already (link) soothsayer Jul 2020 #20
😂The Lobbyists team logo could have be a drawing NewDayOranges Jul 2020 #42
Originally: Philadelphia Warriors of course!! PCIntern Jul 2020 #87
Hey PC, I'm from Philly originally - who were the Warriors? HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #95
The Warriors were the original NBA team after PCIntern Jul 2020 #96
The South Philly Hebrew Association? HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #98
I liked the idea of naming them the Americans. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #5
Same here. Mosby Jul 2020 #16
I like Redtails. Ohiogal Jul 2020 #6
I'd stay away from that one BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #15
The Petunias lame54 Jul 2020 #30
Link to "cultural and historical appropriation" please! nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #52
You Mean RobinA Jul 2020 #99
Redtails? maxsolomon Jul 2020 #7
Go Tails! Sneederbunk Jul 2020 #8
Something like "DC FC" would work. maxsolomon Jul 2020 #10
"FC" is used in soccer team names, not American Football team names jmowreader Jul 2020 #50
They're both "football". maxsolomon Jul 2020 #53
I can hear the Skins fans now underpants Jul 2020 #9
Better than "Redskins", of course, but "Warriors" is a bad idea. Goodheart Jul 2020 #14
I don't agree with warriors either. It's still using Native Americans. Solomon Jul 2020 #18
Literally anyone is a warrior and the word is not a slur. OrlandoDem2 Jul 2020 #22
It depends on the mascot JonLP24 Jul 2020 #29
"Warriors on the warpath" jayfish Jul 2020 #39
No one will take this seriously. I'm just glad that a slur won't be a nickname. OrlandoDem2 Jul 2020 #44
The poster is right JonLP24 Jul 2020 #48
Washington is making a change to its logo. OrlandoDem2 Jul 2020 #60
I don't care if anyone loses sympathy for the movement JonLP24 Jul 2020 #66
I don't disagree with any of this actual post. OrlandoDem2 Jul 2020 #72
I Don't Have To Take It Seriously. jayfish Jul 2020 #74
Tell that to Marquette TheFarseer Jul 2020 #57
Washington is eliminating Indian imagery. OrlandoDem2 Jul 2020 #63
It can be any warrior soothsayer Jul 2020 #23
Not if they're still using arrows, feathers and headdresses. Solomon Jul 2020 #69
Arrows are fine. Codeine Jul 2020 #77
Agreed. Too close to the offensive name they're replacing. Budi Jul 2020 #26
I graduated from a Reservation high school where the sports teams are "Warriors" PufPuf23 Jul 2020 #43
What leads you to imply only Amerindians are/have been warriors? LanternWaste Jul 2020 #45
Imply that "only" Native Americans can be warriors? I didn't. Goodheart Jul 2020 #49
Exactly that is why Snyder trademarked it awhile ago JonLP24 Jul 2020 #51
I'm Native American and I disagree. denbot Jul 2020 #62
That's not the same idea as "Warriors" Goodheart Jul 2020 #70
Potomacs would be badass! OrlandoDem2 Jul 2020 #73
The Washington Bureaucrats TuxedoKat Jul 2020 #94
Geez. I knew this post was going to exist treestar Jul 2020 #91
WHy not "Red-tailed Hawks" jcgoldie Jul 2020 #19
Yeah and we have them here soothsayer Jul 2020 #25
pic denem Jul 2020 #36
Gawd that's beautiful. Goodheart Jul 2020 #38
Redtails, yes! tapper Jul 2020 #24
Change the logo to a potato (or peanut) and keep redskins soothsayer Jul 2020 #27
I hate the use of the word "warriors" to describe anything Victor_c3 Jul 2020 #28
The Washington Reagans mac56 Jul 2020 #31
The Washington Dutches Dave Starsky Jul 2020 #59
If we're going that direction, just call 'em the "Shit-For-Brains"....... lastlib Jul 2020 #89
"Corporate Lackeys" Doc_Technical Jul 2020 #32
What about Red Hornets? denem Jul 2020 #33
I prefer "Redtails" with its dual imagery of WWII heroes plus predator birds Goodheart Jul 2020 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author denem Jul 2020 #34
How about the "Washington Whites", in honor of one of our most famous USSC justices? Goodheart Jul 2020 #35
The Washington Lobbyists. coti Jul 2020 #40
That would work for a World Team Tennis franchise. Goodheart Jul 2020 #41
My vote qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #46
Redtails is awesome vercetti2021 Jul 2020 #47
I agree Awsi Dooger Jul 2020 #71
I also like red tails. Especially with his double meaning. GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #54
Auburn is also the Plainsmen underpants Jul 2020 #76
Yeah. I almost added it that but thought it too obscure GulfCoast66 Jul 2020 #85
Warriors was the first name that came to my mind. That was my HS sports teams' name. Fla Dem Jul 2020 #55
I'm not fond of the "Warriors" name jmowreader Jul 2020 #56
I thought the same of Warriors underpants Jul 2020 #58
Love that movie... cabot Jul 2020 #79
Groundhogs scarytomcat Jul 2020 #61
Washington Redtails is a great name! Music Man Jul 2020 #64
How about the Swamp Rats? roamer65 Jul 2020 #67
A name that might work is the Presidents jmowreader Jul 2020 #68
I think Redtails is by far the best name. Elwood P Dowd Jul 2020 #75
I heard on the radio that 2 or 3 "investors" or "stakeholders" underpants Jul 2020 #78
The Washington Wypipo ibegurpard Jul 2020 #80
The Washington Honey Badgers. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2020 #81
That's very generous of you underpants Jul 2020 #82
Don't mention it. It's my patriotic duty. nt Buns_of_Fire Jul 2020 #83
Isn't the obvious choice this warrior1 Jul 2020 #84
Howzabout MurrayDelph Jul 2020 #86
The problem with "Warriors" is the NBA team of the same name Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2020 #88
Plus they might play that Pat Benatar song underpants Jul 2020 #90
The Washington Pundits? Iterate Jul 2020 #92
Redtails has too many ass connotations. Dave Starsky Jul 2020 #93
PIGSKINS theaocp Jul 2020 #97
Washington Wheels would be my choice, 100% safe and have contest for logo, win/win! Brainfodder Jul 2020 #100
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. This one. 'Redtails' a most honorable name.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 01:48 PM
Jul 2020
The Redtails was the nickname for the Tuskegee Airmen. Three of the first five accepted into the program were from DC.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
4. The Warriors is a cool name but already sort of taken by Golden State.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jul 2020

The Redtails would be cool and interesting but doesn't Dwayne need to complete a pass in the NFL before anyone takes him seriously?

I still think the Washington Lobbyists would be the most fitting considering they are some of the only people who can afford tickets worth going to the game for.

ProfessorGAC

(64,854 posts)
13. Not A Barrier, I'd Think
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jul 2020

There are Kings in hockey & basketball.
There are Giants in football & baseball. Geez, those 2 actually played in the same city for 40 years or so.
Warriors works, because of the alliteration.
I like it, too.

NewDayOranges

(692 posts)
42. 😂The Lobbyists team logo could have be a drawing
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jul 2020

of a white male wearing a suit and a fedora and carrying a briefcase on the sides of their helmets... 😂

PCIntern

(25,483 posts)
96. The Warriors were the original NBA team after
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jul 2020

The SPHAS

SouthPhiladelphia Hebrew Association managed by Eddie Gottlieb.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
98. The South Philly Hebrew Association?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 12:13 PM
Jul 2020

Wow. Never knew that.

I would have expected the South Philly Italian Association managed by Joey 'The Finger' Salvatoreo though.


BannonsLiver

(16,306 posts)
15. I'd stay away from that one
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jul 2020

If it’s picked there will be those who will call it cultural and historical appropriation and they’ll be right back in the same mess.

I’d go with something very simple and benign no one can misconstrue in any way.

Goodheart

(5,308 posts)
14. Better than "Redskins", of course, but "Warriors" is a bad idea.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jul 2020

Are we sure that Native Americans want to be memorialized as warriors? I sure wouldn't want to be.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
29. It depends on the mascot
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jul 2020


(Snip)

Individual school districts have responded to complaints by local Native American individuals and tribes, or have made changes due to an increased awareness of the issue among educators and students. New Native mascots have not been proposed in recent decades, or are withdrawn before becoming official due to public opposition. For example, in 2016 when one of the teams in the National College Prospects Hockey League (NCPHL) was announced as the Lake Erie Warriors with a caricature Mohawk logo[109] it was immediate changed to the Lake Erie Eagles.[110]

(Snip)

After receiving statements in opposition to the "Indians" name from the Penobscot Nation and the ACLU of Maine, the school board voted in March 2019 to eliminate the mascot at Skowhegan Area High School.[137] With the removal of Native American imagery associated with the "Warriors" name at other high schools, Maine becomes the first state to eliminate indigenous mascots in all secondary schools.[138] A bill to ban Native American mascots in all public schools passed the Maine House of Representatives and Senate[139] and was signed into law by Governor Janet Mills in May, 2019.[140]

(Snip)

Few professional teams using Native names and imagery remain, several changing when they moved to other cities, while others went out of business. The Atlanta Hawks were originally the Tri-Cities Blackhawks (using an "Indian" logo),[155] and the Clippers were originally the Buffalo Braves. The Golden State Warriors eliminated Native American imagery in 1971.[156]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_mascot_controversy

I left out schools with relationships to Tribes. A high school in my city goes by the Warriors and their helmets look like Florida State.

I do think Red Tails is a better name but Warriors is fine if the mascot is generic.

jayfish

(10,037 posts)
39. "Warriors on the warpath"
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/warpath

warpath noun

war·​path | ˈwȯr-ˌpath , -ˌpäth
Definition of warpath
1: the route taken by a party of American Indians going on a warlike expedition or to a war


Not good.

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
44. No one will take this seriously. I'm just glad that a slur won't be a nickname.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jul 2020

Besides, it’s not like Indians never fought.

All of this is moot if Warriors isn’t chosen.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
48. The poster is right
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:09 PM
Jul 2020

Most white people don't take this seriously that is true. That is why there are or were so many Native American mascots.

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
60. Washington is making a change to its logo.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:35 PM
Jul 2020

The logo is a slur.

Not using “warrior” because of 2 words in a song is ridiculous and will cause people who actually agree with the change to lose sympathy for the movement. Myself included.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
66. I don't care if anyone loses sympathy for the movement
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:42 PM
Jul 2020

I stand with the NCAI

NCAI's Long Standing Opposition to Harmful "Indian" Sports Mascots


About "Indian" Sports Mascots & Harm
Born in an era when racism and bigotry were accepted by the dominant culture, "Indian" sports brands have grown to become multi-million dollar franchises.

The intolerance and harm promoted by these “Indian” sports mascots, logos, or symbols, have very real consequences for Native people.

Specifically, rather than honoring Native peoples, these caricatures and stereotypes are harmful, perpetuate negative stereotypes of America’s first peoples, and contribute to a disregard for the personhood of Native peoples.

As documented in a comprehensive review of decades of social science research, derogatory "Indian" sports mascots have serious psychological, social and cultural consequences for Native Americans, especially Native youth. Of today’s American Indian and Alaska Native population, those under the age of 18 make up 32 percent, and Native youth under the age of 24 represent nearly half, or 42 percent, of the entire Native population.

http://www.ncai.org/proudtobe

The problem is if they switch to Warriors and use the arrow it is pretty much another Native American mascot.

How about instead of Red Tails or Warriors we go with Fighting Whites since white people are also known to fight?

Fighting Whites

The Fighting Whites (alternatively identified as Fightin' Whites, Fighting Whities, or Fightin' Whities) were an intramural basketball team formed at the University of Northern Colorado in 2002 and named in response to the Native American mascot controversy.[1]

The intramural college team briefly attracted a storm of national attention because of its satirical protest about stereotypes of Native Americans being used as sports mascots, particularly the "Fightin' Reds" of Eaton High School in Eaton, Colorado, not far from the university in Greeley. The Reds' mascot has been described as "a caricature Indian with a misshapen nose, [wearing] a loincloth and eagle feather".[2]

The intramural team, which included players of Native American, white, Latino, African American, and middle eastern ancestry,[3][4] adopted the name "Fighting Whites", with an accompanying logo of a stereotypical "white man" in a suit,[5] styled after advertising art of the 1950s, as their team mascot. The character has been described as a man from the Ozzie Nelson era[6] or a "Father Knows Best white American male".[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites

I followed this issue for years from living in Arizona.

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
72. I don't disagree with any of this actual post.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 06:10 PM
Jul 2020

No one cares, however, about the words in a song that no one knows. Myself included. They are not “symbols, logos, or a mascot.“

jayfish

(10,037 posts)
74. I Don't Have To Take It Seriously.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jul 2020

The first thing that came to mind to Doc Walker, the person quoted in the OP, was "Warriors on the warpath". Sorry, Warriors is a bad choice.

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
63. Washington is eliminating Indian imagery.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:39 PM
Jul 2020

And I believe Marquette chose to change. It didn’t “have” to change.

Of course there are the “Golden State Warriors” NBA team as well.

The name “warrior” is not offensive at all.

PufPuf23

(8,755 posts)
43. I graduated from a Reservation high school where the sports teams are "Warriors"
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 04:10 PM
Jul 2020

My graduation was 50 years ago as of 2021. I live locally in my old age.

There has been discussion in the past but the overwhelming opinion was to remain Warriors.

This may be subject to change but have not noticed any discussion for years.

Note I am not Native American.

Redskins is particularly odious as is any tomahawk chop type cheer.

My preference is that a new name be found and associated logos developed that exalt Native Americans.

Goodheart

(5,308 posts)
49. Imply that "only" Native Americans can be warriors? I didn't.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:11 PM
Jul 2020

My implication is that a new "warriors" mascot would be related back to their present one.

denbot

(9,898 posts)
62. I'm Native American and I disagree.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:37 PM
Jul 2020

I was thinking they should rename the team after the Patawomeck’s, a local (to D.C.) Tribe, and whom the Potomac River is named after.

jcgoldie

(11,613 posts)
19. WHy not "Red-tailed Hawks"
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:11 PM
Jul 2020

Its a great native bird of prey and they could keep the colors and feathers on the helmet.

tapper

(141 posts)
24. Redtails, yes!
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:14 PM
Jul 2020

Here’s a link:https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/tuskegee-airmen to an article about .the Tuskegee airmen. The “Redtails” came about because their planes were painted red on the tails. I suppose the mascot would be a stylized WWII fighter plane. It did occur to me that the mascot could be a Redtail hawk (very common in my part of the Midwest): but that would obscure the reason for using the Redtails moniker, and would be too comfortable a mascot for racists.

(Eh... first post trying to use a link... hope it works...)

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
28. I hate the use of the word "warriors" to describe anything
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:21 PM
Jul 2020

It paints too much of a picture that war and fighting in wars is an affair filled with glory and leaves its participants feeling honorable and proud.

As a damaged combat vet, my war experiences were nothing like that. I’m filled with guilt and shame and I absolutely abhorred the violence of the fighting.

Red Tails gets my vote.

Goodheart

(5,308 posts)
37. I prefer "Redtails" with its dual imagery of WWII heroes plus predator birds
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:47 PM
Jul 2020

but Red Hornets would be good, too.

Response to underpants (Original post)

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
71. I agree
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 06:08 PM
Jul 2020

I thought all the names would suck. Warriors didn't change anything. Then I saw Redtails and was amazed.

Of course, you can hear fans and announcers after a loss saying tails between legs. Big deal. Go with the winner

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
54. I also like red tails. Especially with his double meaning.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:21 PM
Jul 2020

The Tuskegee Airmen and the beautiful bird of prey. Which can be found in every state.

As much as I hate Auburn University football they are the tigers but also have the whole war eagle yell thing going on.



GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
85. Yeah. I almost added it that but thought it too obscure
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 09:07 PM
Jul 2020

They are the dirtiest program in the SEC, in my opinion. But I do like the various mascots.

You must be an Auburn grad or SEC fan to know about the plainsmen.

Fla Dem

(23,590 posts)
55. Warriors was the first name that came to my mind. That was my HS sports teams' name.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:24 PM
Jul 2020

But Redtails works for me and it honors heroes.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
56. I'm not fond of the "Warriors" name
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:26 PM
Jul 2020

Two problems:

1. Since they're talking about the logo just being an arrow, it's still appropriation of Native American symbology.

2. You just know this is how they'd introduce the team on national television:

Music Man

(1,184 posts)
64. Washington Redtails is a great name!
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:41 PM
Jul 2020

I even liked one of the mock uniforms I saw.

The reason that I dislike Washington Warriors is that it's so generic. There are so many other teams called the Warriors, and the best team names are the ones that have some connection (geographic or culturally) to the town. Warriors can mean anything.

Also, to be the Washington Warriors they'd have to really do their homework and communicate with Native American groups on appropriate ways to use that moniker, and even then I sense they'd still screw it up and get backlash, rendering this whole opportunity a waste.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
67. How about the Swamp Rats?
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:44 PM
Jul 2020

One of the Ann Arbor high schools is River Rats.

The name would fit DC quite well.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
68. A name that might work is the Presidents
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 05:46 PM
Jul 2020

And this would be really cool in that the logo could be an oval on the side of the helmet with a reproduction of a US President's official oil painting in it...and by wearing a different president at every game (yes, including the disaster we have now) they could sell a ton more merch.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
75. I think Redtails is by far the best name.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jul 2020

They can keep their same team colors and simply change the logo on the helmet. Might have to change the helmet color to white in order to show off the red tail wing logo better. Would probably sell more team merchandise
with that story about the World War II Tuskegee Redtails.

I attended a couple of Redskin games back in the early 1970s when I lived in the DC area. Their owner gave away tickets to us poor military guys, so I still have a little respect for the franchise even though the present owner, Dan Snyder, is a total asshole.

underpants

(182,624 posts)
78. I heard on the radio that 2 or 3 "investors" or "stakeholders"
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 06:49 PM
Jul 2020

Went to Snyder and try to convince to sell to them.
Kind of tried to pressure him into selling or changing the name.
As expected Snyder said No.
I got the impression that Snyder doesn’t want to be told to do this - not that he just doesn’t want to do it.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
80. The Washington Wypipo
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 07:16 PM
Jul 2020

Let's let white people deal with having a sports team name they find derogatory for a while.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,157 posts)
81. The Washington Honey Badgers.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 07:30 PM
Jul 2020

Wisconsin might complain a little, but Honey Badger don't care.

The Washington Calamari. We don't have enough professional teams named after food.

The Washington Rosebuds. Nice and friendly, except for the thorns.

The Washington Poke Sallet. We still don't have enough professional teams named after sort-of food. (Gator got your granny. Chomp. Chomp, chomp.)

There y'go. I'm waiving my traditional fee on this.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
88. The problem with "Warriors" is the NBA team of the same name
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 12:06 AM
Jul 2020

"Renegades" probably makes more sense, but it is the current name of the XFL franchise in Dallas.

"Redtails" was favored by longtime DC news anchor, the late Jim Vance. It would please the DC council, and most likely lead to a sweetheart deal for a stadium. Despite the asset value, Dan Snyder and the vast majority of the fans despise Jack Kent Cooke Stadium/FedEx Field. Snyder wants a retractable dome stadium in DC to rival Jerry's World and the new M/SP stadium for the Vikings so that he can host the Super Bowl. Army/Navy, final 4, and similar events. It means the President gets to come to his stadium and sit in his box. Snyder is in his mid-50s, so that means another 3 - 4 Presidents - maybe more.

underpants

(182,624 posts)
90. Plus they might play that Pat Benatar song
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 12:40 AM
Jul 2020


Good points on the stadium but with all that’s just happened I can’t see another Jerry World going up. DC or anywhere.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
92. The Washington Pundits?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 06:27 AM
Jul 2020

It's the only correct answer. Just imagine the half-time shows.

And don't argue with me. I've had a cognitive test.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
93. Redtails has too many ass connotations.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jul 2020

Yeah, yeah, I know, Tuskegee Airmen, and all that. Red-tailed hawks, and what have you. But from a practical standpoint, it would literally be the butt of every joke on and off the sixth-grade playground. You might as well just call them the Washington Hemorrhoids.

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