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Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:31 PM Jul 2020

Townhall: Let's Be Honest, There was Nothing Conservative About the Confederacy

I don't normally post articles from RW rags on here but this one really stood out.

But slavery and the short-lived Confederate States of America aren’t sources of pride, nor do they need to be honored. It’s time to throw the Confederate flag on the ash heap of history—not because the flag is “politically incorrect,” but the battle flag of a country that no longer exists, representing people who so disliked the United States that they seceded and attempted to start something better. It’s hard to wave a Confederate flag and call yourself an American patriot.


https://townhall.com/columnists/ashleyherzog/2020/07/06/lets-be-honest-there-was-nothing-conservative-about-the-confederacy-n2571912
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Townhall: Let's Be Honest, There was Nothing Conservative About the Confederacy (Original Post) Jake Stern Jul 2020 OP
Of course the Confederacy is conservative DBoon Jul 2020 #1
The point is Jake Stern Jul 2020 #2
Yes, but like an evil twin brother DBoon Jul 2020 #3
I truly believed such entrenched human beliefs lunatica Jul 2020 #5
The confederacy is the epitome of conservatism Cirque du So-What Jul 2020 #4
The Confederate flag supporters have co-opted the Nazi flag as partners. keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #6
"something better"? hatrack Jul 2020 #7
The play "Hamilton" really puts things into an interesting perspective... AntiFascist Jul 2020 #8

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
1. Of course the Confederacy is conservative
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:50 PM
Jul 2020

Conservatism is about an unchanging, unchallenged social hierarchy. Those who rule are always meant to rule, those who serve were meant to serve.

Conservatism is a repudiation of the Enlightenment. There are no rights of man (humanity), only the divine rule of monarchs.

White Europeans believed they had an eternal right to rule over Black Africans. The Africans had no rights, only a duty to serve and submit. What could be more conservative than this key principle of the Confederacy?

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
2. The point is
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jul 2020

when even a right wing rag says to chuck the confederate BS, the tide has definitely turned.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
5. I truly believed such entrenched human beliefs
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 03:02 PM
Jul 2020

would never allow the evolution of the tenets of brotherhood to take root. But suddenly such cherished beliefs of human hierarchical structures are being questioned on a large scale human basis. Is this new, or are we just now noticing it?

Cirque du So-What

(25,938 posts)
4. The confederacy is the epitome of conservatism
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jul 2020

It was an exercise in trying to find justification for their selfishness. It was so conservative that it wandered into the reactionary when they didn’t get their way.

I don’t appreciate the author’s attempt to tie the confederacy to the Democratic Party, Occupy Wall Street, and antifa (whatever TF that is).

keithbvadu2

(36,804 posts)
6. The Confederate flag supporters have co-opted the Nazi flag as partners.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 07:19 PM
Jul 2020

The Confederate flag supporters have co-opted the Nazi flag as partners.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
8. The play "Hamilton" really puts things into an interesting perspective...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 08:11 PM
Jul 2020

or at least a good history lesson:

Thomas Jefferson is portrayed as a happy-go-lucky wealthy Southerner who wanted to protect the South's wealth from Hamilton's designs to get the nation out of debt due to the Revolutionary War, stressing that the reason for the accumulation of wealth was due to the profits resulting from slave labor. One problem with this type of capitalistic system has to do with stratification, where labor forces are kept oppressed. Sounds very "conservative" to me.

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