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PCIntern

(25,347 posts)
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 03:55 PM Jul 2020

I'm wondering if Der Fuhrer was told that SCOTUS

was going to rule against him in the tax return case. It might account for his coming off the rails even more than he usually does.

Just a thought. I would believe that they have inside info.

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leftieNanner

(14,998 posts)
1. Well, wouldn't that be a nice turn of events for this week?
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jul 2020

Doubt we would see the tax returns out in public, but it would REALLY PISS HIM OFF, and that's worth the price of admission.

leftieNanner

(14,998 posts)
3. You are absolutely correct!
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 04:01 PM
Jul 2020

But a girl's gotta hope sometimes.

We know that Beer Boy and Ginny's Husband will vote that Trump is above the law. Alito too. But Roberts and Gorsuch may surprise us.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
6. They don't have inside information.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 04:10 PM
Jul 2020

That's not the way courts work (generally).

Information is not shared from the Supreme Court to the executive branch - they are independent branches of government. The entire point of lifetime apointments is to remove the influence of politics. Many of the center to left strongholds are evidence that it works.

Clerks are not going to leak - it woud be career suicide. The higher up you are, the riskier leaking would be. I worked in a state appellate court when a couple of high profile cases went through. The only break in our normal routine in closely watched cases was that the cases were hand-delivered to the county courts that referred them - precisely to avoid the potential for early release of information. So a careful on-the-ground court watcher might have been able to tell that a decision was coming, but not what that decision was.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
12. Ginny Thomas would be in the dark.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 05:10 PM
Jul 2020

As was my spouse regarding everything case-related in the appellate court when I worked there, as were the spouses of everyone I worked for - or have been friends with who worked at my level or higher.

It is just baked in to the court culture. You don't talk about the cases with anyone other than the judges and fellow clerks. Period. If you haven't been part of it, you may find it hard to believe. But it is real.

Aside from which, one thing - alone - ought to convince you: Do you really thing that if Trump knew in advance he could avoid ranting/tweeting about i?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
8. I agree.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 04:17 PM
Jul 2020

I also clerked for a state appellate court, and we were warned that we could not talk about our cases to anybody, not even spouses. Opinions, and even the dates when they were to be released, were closely-guarded secrets (although approximate release dates could be guessed from the calendar), and I have to assume the Supreme Court is at least as strict about confidentiality. As you said, any leak would be instant career suicide.

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
10. I'll bet information is shared between certain
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 04:34 PM
Jul 2020

Justices and the President. I can't imagine that Scalia didn't say things to the Bushes about what was going on and wouldn't doubt Kavanaugh does the same with Trump. Maybe they don't pick up the phone and call directly, but Opus Dei keeps them abreast of what's happening.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
11. Having worked within the state appellate courts system -
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 05:06 PM
Jul 2020

and having worked with a number of clerks (including one who clerked for Sandra Day O'Connor, I am confident in my assertion.

BComplex

(7,983 posts)
9. Anybody with two brain cells to rub together knows that Cavenaugh is telling trump every thing
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 04:29 PM
Jul 2020

that is said in chambers.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
13. That's very doubtful. And I have several brain cells
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 05:30 PM
Jul 2020

which I rub together periodically. There is a confidentiality culture that's so ingrained in the entire appellate court system (and I've been part of it so I know whereof I speak) that even Kavanaugh (who has already shown evidence of occasional fits of independence) isn't going to leak court decisions to anybody, not even the WH. Why would he? He has lifetime tenure and doesn't owe Trump anything. I also doubt that a frat boy like him would risk the loathing of the other Justices, with whom he will have to work for the rest of his life and who would never trust him with any information if he were found to be leaking.

lark

(23,003 posts)
14. That's a nice dream, but I would bet $50 right now it won't happen.
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 06:32 PM
Jul 2020

Every signal has been they will protect his presidency above everything and I doubt this will be different. If it is, I'll certainly whoop and holler and drive my dog crazy with dancing & be really really happy, but ........

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