How credible is the Henry Ford Health System?

[Cary]

Is this real?

Or is it yet another cultist attempt to disinform us?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I love cryptic, content-free posts!

[Cary]

2. Cryptic?

Haven't you heard? Orange Hitler was correct, don't you know?

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

You know you could have said the same thing without being snotty, but that's too much to ask. Isn't it?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. Cryptic. We are not all in your exalted state of knowingness. For example, I do not have a TV

Here's a link that may help you: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213302746

[Cary]

10. I never said that I have an "exalted state of knowingness."

And I try not to associate with people who would dole out such abuse.

Unfortunately I don't have a great memory for who is who here but I will attempt to avoid you from here on out.

[LanternWaste]

11. Nor are we as enlightened as you.

"I do not have a TV...."

Nor are we as enlightened as you.

Six one, half a dozen of the other... and each as petulant as the other.

[Cary]

13. "Petulant." Perfect adjective

So tired of it.

[Lancero]

26. Do you also not have the ability to Google something?

Here's a link that may help you: https://www.google.com/

[obamanut2012]

14. How do you expect us to know what the heck you are referring to???

Yes, it was cryptic AF.

[Cary]

15. Some will, some won't, so what?

Next.

[Takket]

44. the point is you could have just put the link in your OP

it is extremely rude to just post pondering that pop into your head and expect everyone else to know what they are about.

[Cary]

16. Of course the Henry Ford Health System

Prominently displayed in the title, was a dead giveaway.

Don't let that stop your gaslighting.

[Demonaut]

27. context is everything

[Cary]

28. Here is context

If you don't like it don't look at it.

[Demonaut]

33. touchy, but my comment stands, if you ask a question without providing context

it's a useless question

[Cary]

34. Not touchy at all. Quite the contrary

You're entitled to your opinion and I am equally entitled to mine, which is that you're needlessly changing the subject from the Henry Ford Health System to your problem with something about me, personally.

I generally don't do that to people because it's nasty and I generally try to not be nasty. But that's just me. Obviously you have some other issue to act out.

[Demonaut]

37. It seems I was not alone in my confusion about your op

take it as a lesson learned, it was never personal but now you accuse me of being "nasty", lol

[Cary]

38. You are not the only DU poster who behaves badly

I clearly identified your abuse as abuse and apparently you are equally mystified by my clear statement on that as you are about my opening post.

Not tolerating abuse is a lesson I learned 40 years ago.

That ploy isn't working for you. What else you got?

[Demonaut]

39. "behaving badly" is expecting people to read your mind, asking people to search google to

fill in the missing part of your question is "behaving badly"

I'm done with this, you can't or won't understand

[Cary]

40. Do you have any functional comment on my opening post?

If not, buh bye.

[PTWB]

47. Perhaps he will reward you with a..

“functional comment” regarding your OP when you price a functional OP to comment on!

[Cary]

36. For future reference though, when I ask a question this way

I am seeking responses from people who are better informed than I. As you can see, I got actual answers from people.

If you are less informed than I, then if you don't like my post don't look at it.

[Squinch]

3. It isn't. And that study was a farce. They cherry picked the people they

would report on, combined the hydrowhatever with a double dose of steroids that HAVE been tested to be useful, then cherry picked again, eliminating 187 of the original study participants.

[Cary]

12. Thank you

I was not able to find any criticism of the study.

[fleur-de-lisa]

17. It seems it was pretty easy to provide a response

without all the snark, huh? DU sometimes! Some folks just like to be rude, I guess.

[Cary]

18. I don't have anyone on ignore but that is about to change

I don't come here to be abused.

[fleur-de-lisa]

20. That is one thing guaranteed to make me use the ignore

feature. There’s just no need for the snark. We’re all supposed to be on the same side, except for the obvious trolls. I really don’t understand the rudeness.

[Phoenix61]

4. If you read the study they also gave a high

dose of a steroid drug to those who got the anti-malaria drug. The steroid drug has been shown to reduced inflammation. They also cherry picked who was in each group. So, they may be credible but the study is seriously flawed. Wonder what little trumphumper thought it was a good idea.

[LisaL]

9. It already has been shown that steroid (dexomethasone) decreases deaths.

So giving high dose of steroids with hydroxychlorquine, that alone should make any comparison to group not given hydroxychloroquine suspect.

[Rstrstx]

24. I don't think dexomethasone was widely in use back then

Methylprednisolone or similar steroids have been used for a while now with good results

[pnwmom]

6. When I read that report carefully I wasn't impressed with the study. So now I'm unimpressed

with the Henry Ford Health system.

[Cary]

35. Thank you.

[LisaL]

7. It's retrospective, not a clinical trial.

I don't find it credible whatsoever, and it contradicts a whole bunch of other studies.

[whistler162]

8. It is I believe based on the Pinto

principal with Edsel Ford as the creator!

[George II]

31. That's what you get when you allow a Maverick to conduct a study!

[MichMan]

19. Very reputable in SE Michigan

[msongs]

21. the white racist nazi sympathizing jewish people hater henry ford? nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

22. I just love these OPs that are without context.

I don't know how to explain this to you, but not everyone is reading or watching whatever you are reading or watching at the moment.

[Cary]

23. So what?

[Doremus]

83. It's common courtesy to include context in an OP.

If you choose not to, thereby making the readers' job all that much harder, you should expect some splashback as the annoyance factor goes up.

It's just consideration for your readers, that's all. You can have it or not, the choice is yours. It's the readers' choice to not read your post or make their ire known as they have here.

[Cary]

25. Crickets

Why be nasty about it? You have options:

1. Politely ask for clarification. I would be happy to do that. No biggie.

2. Don't respond at all and leave it to nicer people to answer my question. As you can see enough people answered me here to dispel your concerns.

3. Google Henry Ford Healthcare Systems. The subject would come up immediately.

it's a large forum. You have lots of other posts to respond to so you have no need to accuse me of anything. I don't appreciate abuse. But for the rules here I would rebuke abusers in much harsher terms.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

42. What are oprions?

Contextless posts are all too frequent here. Once again, we are not all watching or reading the same thing at the same time. Which is not accusing you of anything, except of being unaware of that detail.

[Cary]

53. Condescending nonsense is common too

[George II]

29. With their recent advocacy of Hydroxychloroquine, any credibility they had is diminished:

Hydroxychloroquine is effective in treating COVID-19, says Henry Ford Health System study

https://www.wlns.com/top-stories/hydroxychloroquine-is-effective-in-treating-covid-19-says-henry-ford-health-system-study/

BTW, to others, this took me 5 seconds on google to find, along with dozens of other stories about the Henry Ford Health System.

[Cary]

30. If the Henry Ford Helathcare System is objective, fine

If this is cult disinformation, a shameless assault on reality, then I think they're criminals.

Playing with people's lives during a pandemic is repulsive.

[George II]

32. They should stick to running hospitals, clinics, and medical centers....

I'm sure they provide a decent service to the people of Southern Michigan.

[Kali]

41. now I see what that was about.

[Cary]

43. Yep

[Kali]

45. I suggest less hostility

or ignoring snark if it bothers you so much. personally, I like a little snark and sarcasm.

and I hope I am better able to take criticism.

[PTWB]

46. An OP should include context / substance.

A poor OP assumes the reader knows what you’re talking about.

[Cary]

49. What a load of crap

[PTWB]

51. Really?

I’m sorry for trying to educate you. The nerve...

[Cary]

52. No one asked you

[PTWB]

54. You could say the OP was a cry for help!

[Cary]

55. [read slowly] You don't say?

[PTWB]

56. Indeed.

I’m so happy to have been able to help.

[Cary]

57. [read slowly] Is that right?

[PTWB]

58. I'm not sure why you're emoting your actions prior to your posts.

[Cary]

59. [read slowly] Is that right?

[PTWB]

60. This is an odd way of thanking me for my help.

But I will say you’re welcome, regardless! It always feels good when I’m able to help some correct their mistakes.

[Cary]

61. [read slowly] You don't say?

[PTWB]

62. Don't worry, friend.

You’ll get there!

[Cary]

63. [read slowly] Is that right?

[PTWB]

64. Yes, friend, it is!

I love helping you improve the quality of your posts. This is great!

[Cary]

65. [read slowly] You don't say?

[PTWB]

66. Hi friend! I'm not sure why you need to read slowly.

Does it help you absorb my instruction? It must.

[Cary]

67. [read slowly] Is that right?

[PTWB]

68. Yes, that's right.

For such a terribly constructed OP with no context, and so many in this thread who pointed out the poor construction of said OP, it is amazing to me that you’re this receptive of my instruction. Thank you!

[Cary]

69. [read slowly] You don't say?

[PTWB]

70. I'm happy to keep going with you, friend.

There’s no shame in your needing extra tutoring.

[Cary]

71. [read slowly] Is that right?

[PTWB]

72. Yes!

One day you’ll be able to [read quickly] and [write an OP with appropriate context]... just keep practicing.

[Cary]

73. [read slowly] You don't say?

[PTWB]

74. I can tell you're getting it, finally.

Keep practicing, friend.

[Cary]

75. [read slowly] Is that right?

[PTWB]

76. Yes!

In another month you’ll be able to write a complete OP.

[Cary]

77. [read slowly] Is that right?

[PTWB]

78. Absolutely, friend!

One day at a time. I’ll help you until you’ve got it.

[Cary]

79. [read slowly] Is that right?

[PTWB]

80. One more day under your belt. You're doing it!

[Cary]

81. [read slowly] Is that right?

[PTWB]

82. It does appear that the days march on, friend.

One closer!

[demmiblue]

84. Fruit flies are less annoying. And that is saying something!

[PTWB]

85. They're quite the pest, aren't they?

[George II]

48. Look what trump tweeted just a minute ago (10:34 PM)! This clinches their credibility:

Link to tweet

[Cary]

50. Yep

The kiss of death. Literally.