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Bayard

(21,806 posts)
Thu Jul 2, 2020, 05:39 PM Jul 2020

For those people who insist on going out without a mask....

Here you go folks... for those people who DON'T understand what it means to be on a VENTILATOR but want to take the chance of going out without a MASK...

For starters, it's NOT an oxygen mask put over the mouth while the patient is comfortably lying down and reading magazines. Ventilation for Covid-19 is a PAINFUL intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die

It is done under anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube inserted from the mouth up to the trachea and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine. The patient can't talk or eat, or do anything naturally - the device keeps you alive

The discomfort and PAIN they feel from this means medical experts have to administer sedatives and painkillers to ensure tube tolerance for as long as the machine is needed. It's like being in an artificial coma

After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass, and gets mouth or vocal cords trauma, as well as possible pulmonary or heart complications

It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't withstand the treatment and die. This is NOT the flu

Anyone want to try all that out? Stay home and wear a mask when you go out! Stay safe and well!

SHARE IT!

Posted by one of my contacts, don't know the source.

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For those people who insist on going out without a mask.... (Original Post) Bayard Jul 2020 OP
K and R dewsgirl Jul 2020 #1
Any medical professionals here who can verify this? Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2020 #2
Ask Aristus.... Bayard Jul 2020 #4
NPR article from May 15 gristy Jul 2020 #3
Thanks. That's encouraging regarding mortality rates vs earlier reports. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2020 #5
That makes sense Midnightwalk Jul 2020 #7
I added DO NOT INTUBATE do my advance directive central scrutinizer Jul 2020 #6
Thanks for sharing Auggie Jul 2020 #10
I don't have a link to it, Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #8
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2020 #9
K & R Arkansas Granny Jul 2020 #11

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
2. Any medical professionals here who can verify this?
Thu Jul 2, 2020, 05:57 PM
Jul 2020

I want to send it to a few people, but would like have more input on the accuracy first.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
3. NPR article from May 15
Thu Jul 2, 2020, 06:18 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/15/856768020/new-evidence-suggests-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-usually-survive

We think that mortality for folks that end up on the ventilator with [COVID-19] is going to end up being somewhere between probably 25% up to maybe 50%," Cooke says.

Scary, but hardly a death sentence.

...

Also, intensive care doctors say ICU teams are becoming more skilled at treating COVID-19 patients as they gain experience with the disease. For example, they are doing more to prevent dangerous blood clots from forming.

That means COVID-19 mortality rates in ICUs are likely to decrease over time, Coopersmith says.

"It's still going to be a devastating disease," he says, "but a more manageable devastating disease."

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
5. Thanks. That's encouraging regarding mortality rates vs earlier reports.
Thu Jul 2, 2020, 06:40 PM
Jul 2020

However, this seems to be a caveat:

Factors that may have kept death rates low include careful planning and no shortages of equipment or personnel, says Dr. Craig Coopersmith


If the positive cases keep rising, we may have shortages of equipment & personnel. And careful planning might not be done in many places.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
7. That makes sense
Thu Jul 2, 2020, 07:07 PM
Jul 2020

From witnessing others and being on the receiving end treatment is not an exact science. The doctors and nurses who are there get clues about what works and doesn’t.

Ventilators look complicated. A graphical display that monitors some things. Like a curve that looked like a respiration cycle that is shaded to show some things I don’t remember. Some knobs. I am a geek.

I’m sure the medical professionals are trained to use them well. There’s some science but also clinical experience in how to use ventilators. What works, what doesn’t, and when to do what. Covid-19 is maybe different.

I’d guess they have gained more experience in this disease. You don’t do those jobs unless you are dedicated and smart. There is more clinical experience with this disease all the time unfortunately.

Same story. If you fill the ICUs, then you can’t get a ventilator. If you can’t get a hospital room you can’t get the treatments available there.

Keep trying to not infect others and not get infected either.

Trust a doctor or a nurse. Not me.

central scrutinizer

(11,617 posts)
6. I added DO NOT INTUBATE do my advance directive
Thu Jul 2, 2020, 06:43 PM
Jul 2020

Palliative care only. Pump me full of morphine and let me go die. There’s a copy on my refrigerator, one on my phone and my daughter has a copy.

Mr.Bill

(24,104 posts)
8. I don't have a link to it,
Thu Jul 2, 2020, 08:00 PM
Jul 2020

but I read a quote here on DU from a doctor who is Congresswoman Katie Porter's sister. As best I remember she said this: If you don't wear a mask I hope you don't mind being intubated by a Gynecology intern who just did her last semester of medical school via Zoom.

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