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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI thought pointing a gun at somebody was legally "Assault w/ a Deadly Weapon"
How are these 2 fuckwits not in jail right now?????
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/29/1956847/-Rich-white-St-Louis-couple-threaten-peaceful-protesters-marching-through-their-gated-community
aeromanKC
(3,307 posts)I live here. It is a crazy out of control gun state.
AZ8theist
(5,339 posts)But I just figured they are "fine people" because they are rich white folks. If they were black, they'd be dead by now.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)Not sure whats what there.
Alliepoo
(2,196 posts)That the neighborhood is open to pedestrian traffic but not open to cars. The sidewalks are public. I wish I could post his data here in DU but cant do it with my phone.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Ah well have to see what happens.
coti
(4,612 posts)Nor did the protestors present any kind of threat.
There was no justification for what they did. They should be indicted.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)One of those people could have shot a protester dead in the street and stood a good chance of walking free under Missouri law. Same here in Florida.
sop
(9,947 posts)Hangingon
(3,071 posts)If convicted, what would be the sentence?
Crunchy Frog
(26,548 posts)whatever one's color or socioeconomic status.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Or more accurately, "Brandish a Gun Without Getting Arrested Card"
RockRaven
(14,784 posts)That is outrageously irresponsible and dangerous. If she weren't rich and white it would have gotten her killed by cops.
Bev54
(9,963 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Including Missouri. You just go buy a gun. With a 3 day waiting period unless you have a concealed carry permit. Then you can do cash and carry.
coti
(4,612 posts)as long as they were pointing the guns at the crowd.
Chainfire
(17,308 posts)that anyone who had the guns pointed at them could have fired upon the couple and had a valid claim to self defense.
maveric
(16,445 posts)Seriously.
maxsolomon
(32,992 posts)Back in the days when we argued on DU about Gun Rights, this would have been chalked up by Gunners as a successful DGU (Defensive Gun Use).
For a while, NRA-popular gunners like John Lott were asserting in academic papers that DGUs happened 100s of 1,000s of times a year in America, and that accounted for our low crime rates.
They actually seem to happen on the order of a couple thousand, of which many are, like this incident, crimes in and of themselves.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)I think we need far more gun owners on the left. It is dangerous to let the right wingers flex the second amendment exclusively.
But this case is obviously anything but defensive. They chose to arm themselves, exit their home, instigate a confrontation with people who were merely passing by and then claim to be the victims.
I would be surprised if they dont end up charged criminally unless there is more to the story. And I very much doubt there is more to the story.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Not 25 of them. And they dont define us as people or Americans. Mine are for hunting.
And are locked up when not being used.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I consider them tools and each is well suited for a specific task. Theyre also all locked away when not in use.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)None of mine hold more than 5 rounds except ironically my fathers old .22 Squirrel gun which holds more.
We enjoy natural game which is the healthiest meat available.
Although we now have places here in Central Florida where I can buy beef, poultry and pork that is not factory raised. It is more expensive but that means we eat more meat free meals.
These gun nuts are something we will have to deal with for the next 50 years. We really need registration. In my opinion. Others may disagree.
Have a nice evening.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Poor right wing racists.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)Notice after the fact the lawyers through their lawyer issued a statement that they had been threatened. A news crew filmed about 10 minutes and nobody threatened them. So if they had pointed a gun at a particular person that had indeed threatened them with violence they might have a case, but they are on video doing the opposite to multiple people who posed zero threat to them. A separate charge could be filed for each instance and it can rise to a felony.
If this werent anywhere but crazyland they would be facing serious prison time. But they are white in a gun nut state pointing their guns at POC, so naturally they will get off with nothing.
If theres any vestiges of the gungeon who think this is an act of self defense, consider what would have happened if a person who got a gun pointed at them and was not a threat had pulled out their own gun and dispatched the woman. Would THAT be self defense?
3catwoman3
(23,820 posts)...that would not be threatening?
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)Kinda like how the husband points precious at his wife.
Here is the law:
https://law.justia.com/codes/missouri/2005/t38/5710000030.html
Here is the exception under the above law:
https://law.justia.com/codes/missouri/2015/title-xxxviii/chapter-563/section-563.031/
From the way I read it, since no protestor was inside their home, they have the burden of proving they were threatened by anyone they pointed a gun at. Wont be easy to do with video of most of it. So even if one person threatened them which they claim, that isnt going to help them much with everyone else who didnt.
sanatanadharma
(3,639 posts)Stock end first?
JI7
(89,182 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)the DA and perhaps a grand jury will need to sort it out.
nsd
(2,406 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)In Florida, a person can call you a name in a shopping center parking lot, if you take one step toward him or even don't retreat, he can take a gun and shoot you dead and have a chance of facing no consequence at all. I think that rabid republican Missouri his a similar law. One of those people could have walked into the street with a gun and if a protester approached, shot the protester dead and have expected no consequences.
Kaleva
(36,147 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)"Stand Your Ground" and if it isn't clear that you were sprinting away for you life as they squared up to shoot you dead, they walk free.
We need to systematically remove every republican from public office, if we can't do that, at least make them an inconsequential minority.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)They are lucky the protesters were not there for violence and were not armed.
If you aim a gun at someone it is reasonable for that person to feel their life is at risk.
The way they both had their fingers on the trigger, a huge violation of rudimentary firearm safety, it is lucky one of them did not shoot the other one. Their privilege has made them think they are immune from the consequences of their actions.
Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)The shoot first NRA written legislation they so revere is going to bite them on the ass should protesters decide to start arming themselves. Their shitstain Proud Boy heroes arent going to be so brave facing armed opposition.